Quickseller's feedback on my account

[erikalui]

Quickseller's feedback on my account:

"Openly stating that he is willing to back out of a deal prior to him committing his money to a trade if he were to find better terms.

This account was also likely purchased on or around February 2015, so the registration date and time online should not be considered to be accurate for this account."


@bold: Yes I said it. I have never done it but if the buyer doesn't respond for a day or delays the trade or abuses me, why shouldn't I walk out of a deal? I haven't robbed anyone and this is clearly a dominating statement by him. Prove that I have walked out of a deal before and then talk. Ask, MZ about my behavior as I dealt with him yesterday.

@MZ: Did I seem a person to back out of a deal? Did I seem fishy? Dint I try to complete my deal?




@green: I've never changed my password.  

Check my post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0

And my post in 2013: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259765.msg2820123#msg2820123


@MZ: Please check the BTC address I sent you yesterday.

I won't spend a penny to buy any account when I can create an account for free. This account I myself created in 2013 and then I dint like bitcoins as it was not legal in my country and then I came back to sell my gift cards.


I'm shocked to see a reputed escrow to behave so immaturely. He has proved to give feedback based on personal gurdges because I told him I won't be using him as an escrow.


I would like to ask Badbear to remove him from the default trust. It's so immoral and unethical of him to make assumptions like this. I'm myself a reputed member of another forum and till date, I have never backed out of any deal. Instead people have backed out from my deals and have scammed me. I just gave quickseller an example that I can walk out if no money was exchanged but this is the limit of him giving me a negative feedback. The second statement proves how good he is in verifying scams.


Quickseller, I'm sad to see that you now dislike me for saying that I won't use you as an escrow. I won't ask you to remove my neutral feedback because I am matured enough to handle your dislike. I only want to tell you that the number of times I have been scammed, you can't even imagine. Not only in virtual life, in real life as well. You are quite arrogant and this dislike would get you nothing besides more dislike by other members. Sorry to see a reputed member behaving this way. I respected you for being a trusted member of this forum but now  

[Muhammed Zakir]

It is a neutral feedback. So it isn't a big problem. He also left me one when there was a dispute regarding MS keys sale. If there is nothing, he will remove it. He removed mine and I didn't go after him for removing it.

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@MZ: Did I seem a person to back out of a deal? Did I seem fishy? Dint I try to complete my deal?

Erikalui was good to deal with. When I send a new terms which ensures fairness and safety, she agreed to it. There was no problem and it finished well.

Also quickseller, I am a girl for heaven's sake. Stop saying "He He" I don't like to be called a man. 

IMHO it is better not to state this in threads like this. See characteristic 8 in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.0.

@green: I've never changed my password. 

Check my post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0

And my post in 2013: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259765.msg2820123#msg2820123

@MZ: Please check the BTC address I sent you yesterday.

I confirm the address she sent me yesterday is same address in the post mentioned above.

[erikalui]

It is a neutral feedback. So it isn't a big problem. He also left me one when there was a dispute regarding MS keys sale. If there is nothing, he will remove it. He removed mine and I didn't go after him for removing it.

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@MZ: Did I seem a person to back out of a deal? Did I seem fishy? Dint I try to complete my deal?

Erikalui was good to deal with. When I send a new terms which ensures fairness and safety, she agreed to it. There was no problem and it finished well.

@green: I've never changed my password.  

Check my post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0

And my post in 2013: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259765.msg2820123#msg2820123

@MZ: Please check the BTC address I sent you yesterday.

I confirm the address she sent me yesterday is same address in the post mentioned above.

Thanks MZ for confirming my BTC address and hope to deal with you again. I will remove that statement which you mentioned but I already stated that earlier. I'll find that thread and remove it.

Also, QS isn't in Badbear's trusted network anymore.

[hilariousandco]

Also, QS isn't in Badbear's trusted network anymore.

Interesting. His feedback still seems to be showing up as trusted but he doesn't seem to be on anyone else's list.

[hilariousandco]

His feedback has been moved to 'untrusted' now. Must've just lagged a bit to update.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

His feedback has been moved to 'untrusted' now. Must've just lagged a bit to update.

hilariousandco, are you quickseller?

[Quickseller]

The claim of the account being purchased is based on the fact that your account was used primarily for giveaways, (and made many very short posts) in its early days, in a fashion that is consistent with someone farming activity to build up "potential activity". The February date is when posting activity picked up substantially. Sure it is possible that you simply gained an interest in the forum around that time, however your account's posting history is consistent with a farmed account. I do not have access to IP addresses nor password changes greater then 30 days ago, so I will need to use evidence that is publicly available and that evidence points to a farmed account.

The feedback I left had nothing to do with your comment about my escrow services, although it was because of the same post that you wrote. The amounts I earn from escrow fees is literally dust amounts and the lack of an escrow fee is not going to have any impact on my financial well being.

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract. Your willingness to openly state that you would back out of a deal if you found more favorable terms does make me believe that it would be a bad decision to do business with you. If you were to attempt to back out of a deal then it would be possible for you to be sued for your performance in such a contract, although due to the very small amounts that you deal in, it is unlikely that anyone would bother suing you.

In regards to BadBear removing me from his trust list, that is his problem, not mine (I am still in his trust network regardless) as my ratings are still accurate and my ratings provide warnings to members of the community. I would like to think that my reputation within the community is still high enough so that my opinion is valued enough for people to listen to what I say, default trust or not. I can tell you that getting me removed from his trust list is not going to change the impact of my rating on you.

I am also not surprised that you were so quick to open a thread about me considering that it was made so soon after you sent me a PM before you sent me a PM about it. You have been baiting me for a long time now however until now I have not found anything to support any kind of rating. I do however consider your behavior on the forum to be very sketchy to say the least (often refusing escrow, doing a large number of very small deals, early posting history consistent of farming activity, among other things). It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. I would also point out that I was previously excluded from your trust network and that you have very few trust ratings so I would think it would be unusual to have discovered my rating as quickly as you did.

[alani123]

I don't know what BadBear was waiting for to remove QS from his list. Having him in there has proved disastrous. Quickseller is obviously an individual obsessed with witch hunting and your case is a crystal clear example.

While you've probably never caused any harm, he felt that it was appropriate to give you such a vague rating only after you expressed your thoughts against him. It's also funny how he goes that far to justify such a rating when he's clearly based it on speculation and personal bias. Not surprisingly though, his comment above where he tries to justify this rating comes with more accusations and a personal attack. Seems like someone didn't learn his lesson.

I really do hope that no one like Qiockseller receives a spot in default trust ever again.

[Quickseller]

I don't know what BadBear was waiting for to remove QS from his list. Having him in there has proved disastrous. Quickseller is obviously an individual obsessed with witch hunting and your case is a crystal clear example.

While you've probably never caused any harm, he felt that it was appropriate to give you such a vague rating only after you expressed your thoughts against him. It's also funny how he goes that far to justify such a rating when he's clearly based it on speculation and personal bias. Not surprisingly though, his comment above where he tries to justify this rating comes with more accusations and a personal attack. Seems like someone didn't learn his lesson.

I really do hope that no one like Qiockseller receives a spot in default trust ever again.

You are another one who has been baiting me for a long time. Although I do not have any evidence of this besides the fact that you both often troll me and are critical of my ratings, I speculate that you are one and the same of the OP.

I have been a controversial person to be on default trust because I have been so effective in finding and outing scammers and alts of scammers. Adding to the controversy is that fact that I have sold/trades a large number of accounts in the past which until recently was very much frowned upon within the community. However I can assure you that some of the most reputable members here also engage in account trading to at least a small extent, just not under their main accounts. 

The OP has spoken negatively about me a large number of times and the reason for the feedback just so happened to be on a post that was critical of me. Speaking critically of someone does not give them a free pass to say or engage in other scammy behavior.

[erikalui]

The claim of the account being purchased is based on the fact that your account was used primarily for giveaways, (and made many very short posts) in its early days, in a fashion that is consistent with someone farming activity to build up "potential activity". The February date is when posting activity picked up substantially. Sure it is possible that you simply gained an interest in the forum around that time, however your account's posting history is consistent with a farmed account. I do not have access to IP addresses nor password changes greater then 30 days ago, so I will need to use evidence that is publicly available and that evidence points to a farmed account.

The feedback I left had nothing to do with your comment about my escrow services, although it was because of the same post that you wrote. The amounts I earn from escrow fees is literally dust amounts and the lack of an escrow fee is not going to have any impact on my financial well being.

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract. Your willingness to openly state that you would back out of a deal if you found more favorable terms does make me believe that it would be a bad decision to do business with you. If you were to attempt to back out of a deal then it would be possible for you to be sued for your performance in such a contract, although due to the very small amounts that you deal in, it is unlikely that anyone would bother suing you.

In regards to BadBear removing me from his trust list, that is his problem, not mine (I am still in his trust network regardless) as my ratings are still accurate and my ratings provide warnings to members of the community. I would like to think that my reputation within the community is still high enough so that my opinion is valued enough for people to listen to what I say, default trust or not. I can tell you that getting me removed from his trust list is not going to change the impact of my rating on you.

I am also not surprised that you were so quick to open a thread about me considering that it was made so soon after you sent me a PM before you sent me a PM about it. You have been baiting me for a long time now however until now I have not found anything to support any kind of rating. I do however consider your behavior on the forum to be very sketchy to say the least (often refusing escrow, doing a large number of very small deals, early posting history consistent of farming activity, among other things). It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. I would also point out that I was previously excluded from your trust network and that you have very few trust ratings so I would think it would be unusual to have discovered my rating as quickly as you did.

Thanks for your reply.

I don't purchase accounts as I myself has stated that many times that I dislike account sales on this forum. I have many other forum accounts with the same username. It's my wish if I make small posts or large posts and how does that affect any other member? I asked Badbear to prove that it's my account and now MZ also has proved it as my bitcoin address is the same. The post in 2013 is not edited FYKI.

I dint even know about Signature Capmpaigns nor about bitcoins till I came here and since I had an exchanger, I tried earning bitcoins. I am an active member of EMS emoneyspace.com/forum/ and that's the place I am comfortable with as there the trust system and scams are moderated unlike here where you or any other person can accuse me of anything I haven't done.

I constantly refuse from escrow as why should I trust someone with my money? I haven't scammed anyone till date and so I don't get scared of anyone's claims. You may leave me even 1000 negative feedback and I'd proudly accept it because if anytime I am scammed because of this, you and no other member would give me a penny.

I do large trades as well but only limited to $10-$15. I am shocked that me trading small amounts is an issue. I don't earn much from my online work. If you know about any sources or work that would help me earn more, please tell me. I would be more than happy to do larger trades here. I have traded with the get-paid owner who is a member of this forum and even bitboy11. Ask them how much I have traded with them till date.


"In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract. Your willingness to openly state that you would back out of a deal if you found more favorable terms does make me believe that it would be a bad decision to do business with you."

Reasonable time is 1 day? Or more than that. I usually take 3-4 hours as a reasonable time to respond and if the buyer doesn't respond, I send him a message to cancel the deal. Is that behavior fishy? It has never happened till date but I want to know if I am exchanging my money with someone, how does it make me a scammer? I have no right to withdraw from any deal? That's why I say that you are immature even though you are working as an escrow. MZ is more professional in his deals.


" If you were to attempt to back out of a deal then it would be possible for you to be sued for your performance in such a contract, although due to the very small amounts that you deal in, it is unlikely that anyone would bother suing you. "

Please read the law dear. Learn the meaning of being sued. "institute legal proceedings against (a person or institution), typically for redress." It's only if I sign an agreement then I can be sued. Such poor knowledge won't help you in life. My mother is a criminal lawyer and she is my guide and with her being in my life, I will never do anything wrong for which I will need to be sued. I am myself a Software Engineer and I have spent 20 years of my life in reading books. I know what I do and what is wrong or right. I stand by my statement in that thread even now and I did not delete it nor did I leave you any feedback for your behavior. That proves what I am.




"It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. " I am shocked with this statement. I wanted the entire default trust to be removed. I have nothing against you. I remember TheGambler insulting me for supporting you. I also commended you for tracking down scams and this is what you think about me. Thanks again.



Again I say the same thing. Trading in small number of trades is because I don't earn much on this forum or any other forum. I don't believe in Gambling or HYIPs/Ponzis. Please tell me any legal methods to earn more money. I would be greatefull if you do so else don't accuse me of doing small trades. I honestly don't earn enough. Check my bitcoin address: https://blockchain.info/address/15kADsBTud7qMKqD6cBcvGpnJX37Lznuhh I have earned barely $168 in these few months which is not a lot of cash but it's only earned from signature campaigns and by selling my gift cards.


Don't mock me for the less amount I earn. I am proud that I earn it by working honestly on the forum and not by doing anything wrong.



"The OP has spoken negatively about me a large number of times and the reason for the feedback just so happened to be on a post that was critical of me. Speaking critically of someone does not give them a free pass to say or engage in other scammy behavior."

Negatively many times? I have criticized your behavior of leaving negative feedback many times. I haven't crossed my limit in this matter and have no personal grudges against you.


I am also not surprised that you were so quick to open a thread about me considering that it was made so soon after you sent me a PM before you sent me a PM about it. You have been baiting me for a long time now however until now I have not found anything to support any kind of rating. I do however consider your behavior on the forum to be very sketchy to say the least (often refusing escrow, doing a large number of very small deals, early posting history consistent of farming activity, among other things). It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. I would also point out that I was previously excluded from your trust network and that you have very few trust ratings so I would think it would be unusual to have discovered my rating as quickly as you did.


You seriously think I am trying to get you out of the default trust? I'm least bothered what you do or do not do. Whenever I find anything fishy in your behavior or anyone else's behavior, I voice my opinion. It may have made you feel that I am against you when I'm not.

I always check my feedback and I noticed something neutral. I sent you a PM after opening this thread as I was so upset about you claiming me purchasing my account. I sent a PM to MZ as well but he received it after posting here.


You will be shocked to know that I dint get you removed from Badbear's trust list. It was his decision. I just asked him to confirm that this is my account. I knew that you would blame me for it but I have never ever asked anyone else on this forum to get you out of the trust list. Why would I do that when your trust ratings have been accurate to an extent? Your feedback only for worshiper was something that made me feel bad about else the scams you have stated have always been true/might be true. Didn't I send you a PM stating the same earlier when you contacted me about Twipple? If I try to ask you your reasoning for leaving a feedback, it means I dislike you?


I have criticized the ISIS as well on this forum and atheists as well as they abused me. So what does that prove? I guess I have a right to debate on this forum or only I am meant to shut up?


I own this account since 2013 and then I left and came back in 2014 November. I dint even bother about bitcoins till then. I guess now again I need to leave this forum. I'm unhappy with the way poor people like me are treated by reputed members here. Thanks for the hate.

[alani123]

No Quickseller, what's making you a controversial figure in this forum is your actions and nothing more. It's accusations like that that make you look bad. Outing a scammer is not controversial, spewing out accusations like it's a hobby for you is more controversial. You're even doing that by talking about me in such a way but it's probably hard for you to realise that. It's hard for you to stop personal attacks, it's hard for you to tell trolling from criticism.

This is why me and several other people are happy that you're out of default trust.

You are another one who has been baiting me for a long time. Although I do not have any evidence of this besides the fact that you both often troll me and are critical of my ratings, I speculate that you are one and the same of the OP.

I have been a controversial person to be on default trust because I have been so effective in finding and outing scammers and alts of scammers. Adding to the controversy is that fact that I have sold/trades a large number of accounts in the past which until recently was very much frowned upon within the community. However I can assure you that some of the most reputable members here also engage in account trading to at least a small extent, just not under their main accounts. 

The OP has spoken negatively about me a large number of times and the reason for the feedback just so happened to be on a post that was critical of me. Speaking critically of someone does not give them a free pass to say or engage in other scammy behavior.

[erikalui]

You are another one who has been baiting me for a long time. Although I do not have any evidence of this besides the fact that you both often troll me and are critical of my ratings, I speculate that you are one and the same of the OP.

I have been a controversial person to be on default trust because I have been so effective in finding and outing scammers and alts of scammers. Adding to the controversy is that fact that I have sold/trades a large number of accounts in the past which until recently was very much frowned upon within the community. However I can assure you that some of the most reputable members here also engage in account trading to at least a small extent, just not under their main accounts.  

The OP has spoken negatively about me a large number of times and the reason for the feedback just so happened to be on a post that was critical of me. Speaking critically of someone does not give them a free pass to say or engage in other scammy behavior.

@bold: Thanks again for this comment.

It shows that you do not dislike me but HATE me and other people who don't earn much and go about criticizing you. I have criticized the forum rules of account selling/buying but why would you care checking that.

It brought tears in my eyes to see so much HATRED for me because I earn less. Yes, I'm not rich and I haven't cheated anyone in my life but have been cheated even by my own family members. You would not be able to understand me and I will never be able to understand you.

The only thing I can get out of this is that you aren't a good human being but only a trusted human being. I don't know why Badbear removed you from the trust network but it may be because you have posted a false trust on my profile. I don't ask you to remove it. Keep it if it gives you peace.

It clearly proves from your words that you have just been waiting for an opportunity to leave me a negative feedback. It shows you as a desperate person and you can stoop so low to prove yourself as trusted. I am not happy that you are out of the default trust but I am happy that Badbear now doesn't trust you. He is the admin and I respect his decision.


I stand by my statement that I will never use you as an escrow. I will not even pass by a shop where you might sell your goods/items (if you do so). You will probably scream out "Cheat Cheat Cheat" if I walked out of your store after confirming a purchase. Stores even offer 15 day return warranty but you wouldn't support that.

You have been removed from the default trust list because of your own behavior and don't blame me for that.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract.

Not correct.

'Treitel defines an offer as "an expression of willingness to contract on certain terms, made with the intention that it shall become binding as soon as it is accepted by the person to whom it is addressed"'

Does the typical Bitcointalk account seller intend that?

In this hypothetical example you're using, erikalui is the seller and the person making the offer.

If erikalui does not intend for the contract to be binding the moment someone verbally accepts it, then it's not a formal offer but rather an invitation to sell. There's a fine difference.

Given that a high percentage of deals fall through over anonymous forums, then you will find that the courts will agree that the seller may reasonably intend acceptance to be conveyed through payment.

If you don't believe this, just look at Amazon.com.

(1) You add something to your cart
(2) You proceed through the checkout process
(3) The price of an item has increased, you are notified and prompted if you wish to continue the checkout process.
(4) You pay for the order

When does acceptance occur?

(Hint: It's at 4, not at 2).

[erikalui]

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract.

Not correct.

'Treitel defines an offer as "an expression of willingness to contract on certain terms, made with the intention that it shall become binding as soon as it is accepted by the person to whom it is addressed"'

Does the typical Bitcointalk account seller intend that?

In this hypothetical example you're using, erikalui is the seller and the person making the offer.

If erikalui does not intend for the contract to be binding the moment someone verbally accepts it, then it's not a formal offer but rather an invitation to sell. There's a fine difference.

Given that a high percentage of deals fall through over anonymous forums, then you will find that the courts will agree that the seller may reasonably intend acceptance to be conveyed through payment.

If you don't believe this, just look at Amazon.com.

(1) You add something to your cart
(2) You proceed through the checkout process
(3) The price of an item has increased, you are notified and prompted if you wish to continue the checkout process.
(4) You pay for the order

When does acceptance occur?

(Hint: It's at 4, not at 2).

Thanks dear.

I was wondering why my comment was wrong. I have never cancelled my deals when I got a higher offer as my prices have originally been high. I sell my $5 card for $5. Why will anyone offer me $6? People here insult me for that and still I don't mind.

I was just giving him an example which he dint appreciate. He should check the feedback I've received on the other forum "http://www.emoneyspace.com/forum/index.php?action=trader&id=245976"

QS, haven't we argued about leaving trusted feedback after 1 deal? You were the person to say that Escrows need feedback and not me. I said that I don't care about feedback and I stand by it even now.

[Vod]

Quickseller's feedback on my account:

"Openly stating that he is willing to back out of a deal prior to him committing his money to a trade if he were to find better terms.

IMO, it's prefect legal to back out of a deal at any time before the trade has actually started - it's called due diligence (thanks Shark Tank!).

It could be offensive to the other side if they had already spend a considerable about of time preparing the deal - but that's a risk you take any time you deal with another person.

[Quickseller]

The claim of the account being purchased is based on the fact that your account was used primarily for giveaways, (and made many very short posts) in its early days, in a fashion that is consistent with someone farming activity to build up "potential activity". The February date is when posting activity picked up substantially. Sure it is possible that you simply gained an interest in the forum around that time, however your account's posting history is consistent with a farmed account. I do not have access to IP addresses nor password changes greater then 30 days ago, so I will need to use evidence that is publicly available and that evidence points to a farmed account.

The feedback I left had nothing to do with your comment about my escrow services, although it was because of the same post that you wrote. The amounts I earn from escrow fees is literally dust amounts and the lack of an escrow fee is not going to have any impact on my financial well being.

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract. Your willingness to openly state that you would back out of a deal if you found more favorable terms does make me believe that it would be a bad decision to do business with you. If you were to attempt to back out of a deal then it would be possible for you to be sued for your performance in such a contract, although due to the very small amounts that you deal in, it is unlikely that anyone would bother suing you.

In regards to BadBear removing me from his trust list, that is his problem, not mine (I am still in his trust network regardless) as my ratings are still accurate and my ratings provide warnings to members of the community. I would like to think that my reputation within the community is still high enough so that my opinion is valued enough for people to listen to what I say, default trust or not. I can tell you that getting me removed from his trust list is not going to change the impact of my rating on you.

I am also not surprised that you were so quick to open a thread about me considering that it was made so soon after you sent me a PM before you sent me a PM about it. You have been baiting me for a long time now however until now I have not found anything to support any kind of rating. I do however consider your behavior on the forum to be very sketchy to say the least (often refusing escrow, doing a large number of very small deals, early posting history consistent of farming activity, among other things). It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. I would also point out that I was previously excluded from your trust network and that you have very few trust ratings so I would think it would be unusual to have discovered my rating as quickly as you did.

Thanks for your reply.

I don't purchase accounts as I myself has stated that many times that I dislike account sales on this forum. I have many other forum accounts with the same username. It's my wish if I make small posts or large posts and how does that affect any other member? I asked Badbear to prove that it's my account and now MZ also has proved it as my bitcoin address is the same. The post in 2013 is not edited FYKI.

I dint even know about Signature Capmpaigns nor about bitcoins till I came here and since I had an exchanger, I tried earning bitcoins. I am an active member of EMS emoneyspace.com/forum/ and that's the place I am comfortable with as there the trust system and scams are moderated unlike here where you or any other person can accuse me of anything I haven't done.

I edited my comment to say that your early post history is consistent with that of a farmed account. A signed message does not mean that the account was not purchased however the editing of my comment makes this a moot point now.

I constantly refuse from escrow as why should I trust someone with my money? I haven't scammed anyone till date and so I don't get scared of anyone's claims. You may leave me even 1000 negative feedback and I'd proudly accept it because if anytime I am scammed because of this, you and no other member would give me a penny.

You should be able to trust an escrow because they have shown in the past that they have acted honestly and because they have incentives to continue to do so. If you are not going to accept escrow then others have incentives not to trade with you because of the high chances of getting scammed.

I do large trades as well but only limited to $10-$15. I am shocked that me trading small amounts is an issue. I don't earn much from my online work. If you know about any sources or work that would help me earn more, please tell me. I would be more than happy to do larger trades here. I have traded with the get-paid owner who is a member of this forum and even bitboy11. Ask them how much I have traded with them till date.

The trading small amounts a large number of times is consistent with someone trying to build up a lot of trust reports. This may have been a way that you wrote the amount you are trading however I am fairly certain that I have seen you offering $0.50 (50 cents) worth of skrill before. Maybe you live in a part of the world where 50 is worth more however I think the average person would wait until they had a larger amount to trade as transaction fees would make up a large percentage of any amount you would receive.  

"In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract. Your willingness to openly state that you would back out of a deal if you found more favorable terms does make me believe that it would be a bad decision to do business with you."

Reasonable time is 1 day? Or more than that. I usually take 3-4 hours as a reasonable time to respond and if the buyer doesn't respond, I send him a message to cancel the deal. Is that behavior fishy? It has never happened till date but I want to know if I am exchanging my money with someone, how does it make me a scammer? I have no right to withdraw from any deal? That's why I say that you are immature even though you are working as an escrow. MZ is more professional in his deals.

The law does not specifically define what a reasonable time is however the amount of time that is "reasonable" increases as the value of the trade increases. If you have accepted an offer to trade with someone, it probably would have been a good idea to get a timeframe as to when a deal will be completed by so if it is not completed by then it would be the other party who failed to meet their obligations.

Your previous comment did not say that you would withdraw an offer if you did not receive an acceptance of a deal. Your previous comment said that you would back out of an accepted/confirmed deal because you found better terms. Your above statement is an example of you withdrawing an offer to trade, your previous comment was you saying that you would not trade with someone after both parties have come to an agreement.

" If you were to attempt to back out of a deal then it would be possible for you to be sued for your performance in such a contract, although due to the very small amounts that you deal in, it is unlikely that anyone would bother suing you. "

Please read the law dear. Learn the meaning of being sued. "institute legal proceedings against (a person or institution), typically for redress." It's only if I sign an agreement then I can be sued. Such poor knowledge won't help you in life. My mother is a criminal lawyer and she is my guide and with her being in my life, I will never do anything wrong for which I will need to be sued. I am myself a Software Engineer and I have spent 20 years of my life in reading books. I know what I do and what is wrong or right. I stand by my statement in that thread even now and I did not delete it nor did I leave you any feedback for your behavior. That proves what I am.

You can be sued for any reason despite its validity. Contracts can be written or verbal and do not require any kind of signature to be binding upon you. Verbal contracts are more difficult to enforce because what exactly was agreed to may be difficult to prove. The same is true for contracts entered via an email or a forum post as you can always claim that your account was hacked, it wasn't you, ect.

"It shouldn't be a secret that you have been discretely trying to get me removed from default trust for a long time now. " I am shocked with this statement. I wanted the entire default trust to be removed. I have nothing against you. I remember TheGambler insulting me for supporting you. I also commended you for tracking down scams and this is what you think about me. Thanks again.

If you really want to dispute this then I can dig up old posts that back up my statement.

Again I say the same thing. Trading in small number of trades is because I don't earn much on this forum or any other forum. I don't believe in Gambling or HYIPs/Ponzis. Please tell me any legal methods to earn more money. I would be greatefull if you do so else don't accuse me of doing small trades. I honestly don't earn enough. Check my bitcoin address: https://blockchain.info/address/15kADsBTud7qMKqD6cBcvGpnJX37Lznuhh I have earned barely $168 in these few months which is not a lot of cash but it's only earned from signature campaigns and by selling my gift cards.


Don't mock me for the less amount I earn. I am proud that I earn it by working honestly on the forum and not by doing anything wrong.

I am not mocking you. My point is that you are making a large number of small trades with apparent high frequency. It appears that you intentionally trade in smaller amounts then you can with the intention of making two (or more) deals.  

"The OP has spoken negatively about me a large number of times and the reason for the feedback just so happened to be on a post that was critical of me. Speaking critically of someone does not give them a free pass to say or engage in other scammy behavior."

Negatively many times? I have criticized your behavior of leaving negative feedback many times. I haven't crossed my limit in this matter and have no personal grudges against you.

Yes you have criticized me previously. I did not leave any kind of trust any of those large number of times. The fact that I left you a neutral in response to a post that you made that was critical of me is a consequence as the reason for the trust was because you openly stated that you were willing to back out of deals after all terms were agreed to.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The claim of the account being purchased is based on the fact that your account was used primarily for giveaways, (and made many very short posts) in its early days, in a fashion that is consistent with someone farming activity to build up "potential activity". The February date is when posting activity picked up substantially. Sure it is possible that you simply gained an interest in the forum around that time, however your account's posting history is consistent with a farmed account. I do not have access to IP addresses nor password changes greater then 30 days ago, so I will need to use evidence that is publicly available and that evidence points to a farmed account.

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Thanks for your reply.

I don't purchase accounts as I myself has stated that many times that I dislike account sales on this forum. I have many other forum accounts with the same username. It's my wish if I make small posts or large posts and how does that affect any other member? I asked Badbear to prove that it's my account and now MZ also has proved it as my bitcoin address is the same. The post in 2013 is not edited FYKI.

I dint even know about Signature Capmpaigns nor about bitcoins till I came here and since I had an exchanger, I tried earning bitcoins. I am an active member of EMS emoneyspace.com/forum/ and that's the place I am comfortable with as there the trust system and scams are moderated unlike here where you or any other person can accuse me of anything I haven't done.

I edited my comment to say that your early post history is consistent with that of a farmed account. A signed message does not mean that the account was not purchased however the editing of my comment makes this a moot point now.
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Address associated with an account can also be sold when selling that account but when I acted as escrow for a trade between him and another user, the funds were released to his address posted in July, 2013. (post).

Using a bought address is insecure and nobody would do that except for testing purposes.

[Quickseller]

In regards to my other part of my comment, if you agree to a specific deal and your offer is accepted prior to you withdrawing such offer (and a reasonable amount of time has not elapsed) then you have entered into a binding contract.

Not correct.

'Treitel defines an offer as "an expression of willingness to contract on certain terms, made with the intention that it shall become binding as soon as it is accepted by the person to whom it is addressed"'

Does the typical Bitcointalk account seller intend that?

In this hypothetical example you're using, erikalui is the seller and the person making the offer.

If erikalui does not intend for the contract to be binding the moment someone verbally accepts it, then it's not a formal offer but rather an invitation to sell. There's a fine difference.

Given that a high percentage of deals fall through over anonymous forums, then you will find that the courts will agree that the seller may reasonably intend acceptance to be conveyed through payment.

If you don't believe this, just look at Amazon.com.

(1) You add something to your cart
(2) You proceed through the checkout process
(3) The price of an item has increased, you are notified and prompted if you wish to continue the checkout process.
(4) You pay for the order

When does acceptance occur?

(Hint: It's at 4, not at 2).

Amazon does not give the option to accept their offer without first paying for your order.

A better example would be a person signing a contract to buy a house that does not have any kind of contingencies, being accepted by the seller and then the seller backing out of the deal. The buyer would have the right to force the sellers performance in the contract. This kind of agreement is that a deal will take place at a certain point in the future. Your example is one where the offer is contingent on actually receiving payment.

Edit after:amazons offer is actually for you to pay them immediately for what you are buying  

edit2: unless the terms of a trade specifically say that the deal is not binding on the parties then the law (and legal precedent) says that it should be assumed that the deal should be binding on all parties. Additionally if escrow is contacted to have escrow setup then it should be reasonable to say that he offer is not an invitation to sell, and/or it could be interpreted that the offer was an invitation to trade, the verbal acceptance was actually the offer and erikalui either contacting escrow or telling the other party to contact escrow to be an acceptance.

[Quickseller]

The claim of the account being purchased is based on the fact that your account was used primarily for giveaways, (and made many very short posts) in its early days, in a fashion that is consistent with someone farming activity to build up "potential activity". The February date is when posting activity picked up substantially. Sure it is possible that you simply gained an interest in the forum around that time, however your account's posting history is consistent with a farmed account. I do not have access to IP addresses nor password changes greater then 30 days ago, so I will need to use evidence that is publicly available and that evidence points to a farmed account.

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Thanks for your reply.

I don't purchase accounts as I myself has stated that many times that I dislike account sales on this forum. I have many other forum accounts with the same username. It's my wish if I make small posts or large posts and how does that affect any other member? I asked Badbear to prove that it's my account and now MZ also has proved it as my bitcoin address is the same. The post in 2013 is not edited FYKI.

I dint even know about Signature Capmpaigns nor about bitcoins till I came here and since I had an exchanger, I tried earning bitcoins. I am an active member of EMS emoneyspace.com/forum/ and that's the place I am comfortable with as there the trust system and scams are moderated unlike here where you or any other person can accuse me of anything I haven't done.

I edited my comment to say that your early post history is consistent with that of a farmed account. A signed message does not mean that the account was not purchased however the editing of my comment makes this a moot point now.
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Address associated with an account can also be sold when selling that account but when I acted as escrow for a trade between him and another user, the funds were released to his address posted in July, 2013. (post).

Using a bought address is insecure and nobody would do that except for testing purposes.

Like I said it is a moot point because the comment about it being a purchased account was removed.

Either way I think it is fair to say that I am allowed to be wrong every now and then as long as I correct myself when shown to be wrong.

[erikalui]

@bold: If that's the case, then probably I wouldn't use you as an escrow. If I am not comfortable with the attitude of the buyer/seller or the attitude of the escrow, I am free to cancel the transaction. Also, if I find another buyer who doesn't want to use an escrow and is willing to go first, paying me a higher amount which can earn me profit and I will pay him after his payment is received, why should I use an escrow and pay his fees? Why shouldn't I go for a deal that would save me from paying the escrow fee?

The above is my statement. I haven't mentioned anywhere that after a deal is confirmed, I will back out. You are adding these words from your mouth.

I haven't ever stated to withdraw from a transaction after it was confirmed. I said that if in between if I feel uncomfortable before the terms are stated and the deal is confirmed, I can walk out. I won't cheat the buyer/escrow by doing that not has the trade been confirmed. It is still suspended as I did not confirm the trade.

I always state this in my deals that the person should respond in time. If I don't get a reply for over 3-4 hours, I send him a message saying that I cancel the deal. He needs to read the message for his behavior. I cannot keep waiting for his response till dooms day.


Yes, I have traded $0.5 as well. For me it's an amount which can buy me a biscuit packet. I wanted to exchange it as I don't want it in my account as Skrill can shut down. The fact I do this as I have been scammed by Liberty Reserve of $15. I know others will laugh at the amount but I earned it and did not rob it and hence it was a big loss for me.

If you feel that I bought this account, fine. Live with that suspicion as it was you who said via your alt account that where does it show that it's against the rules? You are more intelligent than me when it comes to the rules right. I dislike account selling even today as I wouldn't bare anyone else to be "erikalui". It's my and my mother's name that's attached to my username.


TheGambler deleted his posts and I can't prove that he told me that I am supporting you (used an abusive word) because you are from the default trust list. I guess I criticized you because you were lying about your alt account which I felt weird. I know about alt accounts and how they reply to themselves which is not appreciated.



"Yes you have criticized me previously. I did not leave any kind of trust any of those large number of times. The fact that I left you a neutral in response to a post that you made that was critical of me is a consequence as the reason for the trust was because you openly stated that you were willing to back out of deals after all terms were agreed to."

Again the bolded statement is your assumption. Why do you love assuming things dear? I have criticized even ISIS, atheists, theists and even MZ for the religious beliefs. They did not leave me negative feedback else my account would be full of their feedback.


"You can be sued for any reason despite its validity. Contracts can be written or verbal and do not require any kind of signature to be binding upon you. Verbal contracts are more difficult to enforce because what exactly was agreed to may be difficult to prove. The same is true for contracts entered via an email or a forum post as you can always claim that your account was hacked, it wasn't you, ect. "


Again an assumption that I want to back out of a deal after confirming the terms. I never said that.

My statement: "I have cancelled real deals as well where I needed to rent an apartment and after setting the terms with the broker, I cancelled it as the buyer was a nuisance. "

Here the owner was a cheat. He agreed to cancel the deal and after cancelling it, he deposited the cheque of about $1000 which would make me lose that amount.


"Your previous comment said that you would back out of an accepted/confirmed deal because you found better terms." My statement made earlier "Also, if I find another buyer who doesn't want to use an escrow and is willing to go first, paying me a higher amount which can earn me profit and I will pay him after his payment is received, why should I use an escrow and pay his fees? "


This is what I said. It's no where mentioned that I will back out of the deal after agreeing to the terms. Where did I say that terms were agreed or a deal was confirmed? It's one deal without escrow, one deal with escrow. I choose the former. No deal terms/conditions/no confirmation was ever made. Your feedback statement is itself wrong.

I will only backout after confirming with the seller and escrow if there is any kind of issue and not because I got a better offer.