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May 20, 2015, 12:36:35 AM
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Bitcoin has a problem. The core software needs to be modified to accommodate for a rising increase in network transactions.

Under the current one-megabyte-per-block limit, the network can only process around three transactions per second. If Bitcoin becomes a mainstream payment system, or even a platform for other types of transactions, it’s going to have to process much faster. Visa, by comparison, says its network can process more than 24,000 transactions per second. If left unchanged, it is projected that the Bitcoin wallet will cease to function properly sometime next year.

The “Real” Problem

The real problem facing the five core bitcoin developers is how to update the software without revealing the nature of their totalitarian rule. Bitcoin is advertised as open source software, decentralized, and not subject to manipulation or adjustable inflation like its big fiat brothers. But in reality the currency’s control is centralized to these five.

When the Federal Reserve decides to make adjustments, the Federal Open Market Committee, the group in charge of overseeing the growth of the United States money supply, must reach a consensus of twelve members.

Bitcoin on the other hand is controlled by just five. But how did a currency like bitcoin, that’s advertised as a solution to government controlled fiat, become more centralized than the Federal Reserve itself? This isn’t something that’s talked about in bitcoin circles and the mention of the word centralization can result in “bad things happening” to outspoken community critics.

Long-Term Solution

Thankfully, there are alternatives to the bitcoin, and many experts believe the next wave of the cryptocurrency boom will originate with these developing projects that have bright young talent with increasingly open minds.

Projects like Litecoin (LTC), the original scrypt coin with faster confirmations than bitcoin, Peercoin (PPC), the original hybrid POW/POS coin, and of course Goldcoin (GLD), the coin that invented the original 51% attack defense. These three are some of our top picks, but there are hundreds of others striving to climb into the crypto saddle and race the good race.

So while Bitcoin might be the home of power-tripping insiders, there’s a war being waged on the digital currency scene and it’s only just beginning. There’s an entire sea of cryptocurrencies swelling to the surface, and now that the cat’s out of the bag, it might just be time for the real slim shady to please stand up.

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May 20, 2015, 12:43:01 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.
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May 20, 2015, 12:47:06 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

This. OP your argument doesn't make sense. We all have control of whether or not we want to implement the change. The core 5 have almost zero power to do something that would hurt the community. If they update the code to allow them to have a million bitcoins each, no one would adopt the new software.

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May 20, 2015, 12:48:41 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

This. OP your argument doesn't make sense. We all have control of whether or not we want to implement the change. The core 5 have almost zero power to do something that would hurt the community. If they update the code to allow them to have a million bitcoins each, no one would adopt the new software.

He's just using a narrative that sort of fits current sentiment to shill some altcoin. Watch.

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May 20, 2015, 12:51:26 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

This. OP your argument doesn't make sense. We all have control of whether or not we want to implement the change. The core 5 have almost zero power to do something that would hurt the community. If they update the code to allow them to have a million bitcoins each, no one would adopt the new software.

He's just using a narrative that sort of fits current sentiment to shill some altcoin. Watch.

More specifically Goldcoin. He owns GLDTalk.
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May 20, 2015, 12:53:37 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

This. OP your argument doesn't make sense. We all have control of whether or not we want to implement the change. The core 5 have almost zero power to do something that would hurt the community. If they update the code to allow them to have a million bitcoins each, no one would adopt the new software.

He's just using a narrative that sort of fits current sentiment to shill some altcoin. Watch.

and of course Goldcoin

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May 20, 2015, 12:58:00 AM
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goes to show "legendary" member means nothing.
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May 20, 2015, 01:03:28 AM
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I've made modifications to my Bitcoin client, and the "gang of five" had no say in the matter.

Can I make changes to the US Dollar without the Fed having any say in the matter?

I don't think the word "decentralized" means what you seem to think it means.

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May 20, 2015, 01:32:18 AM
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I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next nut, but there has to be some sort of evidence to make it interesting.  Could you be more specific about how the five control things, what their goals are, and what you think the consequences will be?

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May 20, 2015, 01:46:30 AM
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I think altcoins should gain more popularity so that it can supply what bitcoin is missing
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May 20, 2015, 05:44:08 AM
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I think altcoins should gain more popularity so that it can supply what bitcoin is missing
LTC Goldcoin and PPC dont bring anything new that bitcoin doesn't already offer. Bitcoin is fine. Its Coke. all others are RC Cola. alts gotta at least be Pepsi if their going to make any headway.

OP's post, and the countless others like it are just the rumblings of users who are bored. The crypto world has been a little boring this last year.
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May 20, 2015, 06:04:04 AM
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You have 5 Core developers and loads of other developers having a collective input, into what they suggest must go into the Bitcoin code. It's silly to think that 5 people could change the 100% consensus amongst everyone running nodes and clients.

These people actively communicate on public forums and meetups, with other people and implement changes based on those inputs.

You always have a choice to either use the new code or not to use it. {Nobody force you to do it}  Tongue

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May 20, 2015, 06:07:09 AM
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the irony ius that even the core developers arent one person only, so if we ever take in consideration what you said there is still no centralization

and they still don't decide by themselves, they usually ask the community first through numerous polls, and anyway their modifications are always needed in any case

it's not like they are doing changes which only meets their needs
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May 20, 2015, 06:36:08 AM
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You have 5 Core developers and loads of other developers having a collective input, into what they suggest must go into the Bitcoin code. It's silly to think that 5 people could change the 100% consensus amongst everyone running nodes and clients.

These people actively communicate on public forums and meetups, with other people and implement changes based on those inputs.

You always have a choice to either use the new code or not to use it. {Nobody force you to do it}  Tongue

^^^ This.
Apart from the above, when an update is out, all changes made to this new version are listed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1039713.0

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May 20, 2015, 09:37:59 AM
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When the Federal Reserve decides to make adjustments, the Federal Open Market Committee, the group in charge of overseeing the growth of the United States money supply, must reach a consensus of twelve members.


Fully Story: http://altcoinpress.com/2015/05/the-gang-of-five-the-dirty-centralization-secret-of-bitcoin/

Check the source, and what is their motives for saying this?  Huh
The twelve members in the committee represent the US Government {Centralized} and the 5 Core developers represent the Bitcoin community and the decentralized protocol they use. ^Spot the difference?^

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May 20, 2015, 10:11:41 AM
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lol the goldcoin guy is looking in great shock Shocked why he can post that kind of nonsense story Roll Eyes all altcoins are just piece of shit and no more future in long term, only bitcoin is the future currency with its widely adoption and more big merchant acceptance.
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May 20, 2015, 10:16:09 AM
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Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

You are correct.

The OP agenda is far more dubious then the message.

Why misguide ? If Gavin makes a change and nodes do not update accordingly, it'll simply get rejected. That is called concensus.

This. OP your argument doesn't make sense. We all have control of whether or not we want to implement the change. The core 5 have almost zero power to do something that would hurt the community. If they update the code to allow them to have a million bitcoins each, no one would adopt the new software.

He's just using a narrative that sort of fits current sentiment to shill some altcoin. Watch. and advertise the signature.

Unfortunately those new to crypto currencies may not know that those altcoin's are pegged to the value of bitcoin.

Altcoin's pale in comparison to bitcoin and it's volume leaving them susceptible to market manipulation (pump and dump).

The bitcoin community and infrastructure rival ALL altcoin's combined.
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May 20, 2015, 11:43:11 AM
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How many core devs does Litecoin have? Peercoin? Goldcoin?

I'm sorry, but I believe that your proposals are even more centralized than Bitcoin, according to your own criteria.

An economy based on endless growth is unsustainable.
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May 20, 2015, 12:44:03 PM
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It would be reasonable to be concerned about the centralization of mining hashpower with a limited number of mining conglomerates. But it makes no sense to be concerned about bitcoin software/protocol development by a few devs, since it is the miners who accept/reject any changes they may make. In principle anyone (with coding skills) could offer changes to Bitcoin and see them accepted by the mining community.

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May 20, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
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the core five control the official git repo but there are other repos and no one is forcing miners to use their code.  lots of people review the changes and you can bet that if anything foul were published it would be all over reddit etc in 5 seconds.

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