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June 01, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
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Nope I dont think there are some people that control the flow of price

Wrong, there is and it is called "whale" Basically the volatility is cause by people(or a group of people) manipulating the flow of the price. That is the reason why you are seeing a sudden rise and sudden fall of the price despite that there are currently no news regarding BTC

P.S : news give some hype

simple. Volatility give a value to Bitcoin

Volatility is not good if you are thinking about adoption as people tend to stick with things that are not volatile (some people dislike things that could drop to worthless overnight I suppose ) but if you see this in term of trading than volatility is a bless for trader as it gives some value for it. Basically trader gain more from the volatility though
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June 01, 2015, 05:16:33 PM
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Bitcoin was once solid as hell at 5 dollars for more than 4 months before the price exploded again. Right now it's not volatile as hell, it has felt pretty solid on the 200 range. For Bitcoin 20 dollars up and 20 dollars down is absolutely nothing. It's a great time to stock up on all that cheap ass BTC.
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June 04, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
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Bitcoin was once solid as hell at 5 dollars for more than 4 months before the price exploded again. Right now it's not volatile as hell, it has felt pretty solid on the 200 range. For Bitcoin 20 dollars up and 20 dollars down is absolutely nothing. It's a great time to stock up on all that cheap ass BTC.
I remember back then it was called the "forever 5 USD" era. No one expected a bigger pump. The next pump that doubles the ATH will blow so many minds away.
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June 04, 2015, 06:00:00 PM
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It is volatile because it is very manipulated and not controlled by any instituion
besides, the market is not really big

Yes it will get stable if the demand and supply are equal and that is only possible when the adoption level goes high people should start adopting and accepting it as a mode of payment and also the vendors and merchants should start accepting it if the demand and supply is equal the value of bitcoin would be more stable.
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June 04, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
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It is volatile because it is very manipulated and not controlled by any instituion
besides, the market is not really big

Yes it will get stable if the demand and supply are equal and that is only possible when the adoption level goes high people should start adopting and accepting it as a mode of payment and also the vendors and merchants should start accepting it if the demand and supply is equal the value of bitcoin would be more stable.

That is right but it can only get stable once the government of the country starts accepting it as a currency if the government shows their supports towards it, it would definitely attract more and more people and media would also play a very vital role in supporting the bitcoin.
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June 04, 2015, 09:40:23 PM
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simple. Volatility give a value to Bitcoin

We all need here is a high value not a low value that you think. If there is a high value in this bitcoin I think its good but the real thing is bitcoin price will drop significantly that it will be bad to us so thats why there are many people out there dont think volatile is a good thing

There is nothing bad if price drops. Only more people will be able to afford it. More people will have better for Bitcoin. 1+1=3

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June 05, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
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Bitcoin was once solid as hell at 5 dollars for more than 4 months before the price exploded again. Right now it's not volatile as hell, it has felt pretty solid on the 200 range. For Bitcoin 20 dollars up and 20 dollars down is absolutely nothing. It's a great time to stock up on all that cheap ass BTC.
I remember back then it was called the "forever 5 USD" era. No one expected a bigger pump. The next pump that doubles the ATH will blow so many minds away.

as it was said many times, it is not really comparable, because increasing bitcoin from 5 to 100 isn't like increasing it from 200 to 4000

one thing is sure, the next pump will raise bitcoin to a level that many would not even thought about
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June 05, 2015, 03:23:24 PM
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simple. Volatility give a value to Bitcoin

We all need here is a high value not a low value that you think. If there is a high value in this bitcoin I think its good but the real thing is bitcoin price will drop significantly that it will be bad to us so thats why there are many people out there dont think volatile is a good thing

There is nothing bad if price drops. Only more people will be able to afford it. More people will have better for Bitcoin. 1+1=3

Why that is not bad? I think there are many people that buying bitcoin at higher price so they will hope the price will go high to earn more profit not lose profit just because the price drop significantly. In some way may be good but there are more people will lose profit than people can afford it anyway so it will be good if the price keep on raise so both of them will sure get profit. The matter is more or less only, rather than get nothing

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August 13, 2015, 01:37:03 PM
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haha a question with an answer
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August 14, 2015, 03:01:43 AM
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It is volatile because it is very manipulated and not controlled by any instituion
besides, the market is not really big

Yes it will get stable if the demand and supply are equal and that is only possible when the adoption level goes high people should start adopting and accepting it as a mode of payment and also the vendors and merchants should start accepting it if the demand and supply is equal the value of bitcoin would be more stable.

That is right but it can only get stable once the government of the country starts accepting it as a currency if the government shows their supports towards it, it would definitely attract more and more people and media would also play a very vital role in supporting the bitcoin.

Also it's status is not tied to the strength of any particular economy, and it isn't under the control of any central bank and prices are set by purely on demand and supply. As of now most of the bitcoins are under traders control, they want to make a profits so they will trade every day. This will cause prices to fluctuate more. If any government or media gives some good news about bitcoins then every one will rush to buy bitcoin then prices will go up and if any bad news then prices will come down like any think. Basically there is not proper control on btc prices by any big institutions will cause more volatile.
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August 14, 2015, 03:20:46 AM
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It can never be stable as in ... stable. Nor can a fiat money. The money managers (central banks) can try, they can say that they try, but they can't make it stable. There are market forces. Anyway, currently they say that they don't try to make them stable, on the contrary, they say that they want a 2 percent devaluation per year, measured with a hopelessly inadequate measurement technique.

The volatility comes from the fact that the value is based on speculation, whether you speculate that value will go up, down (believe in the central bank's projection), or flat. If you think you can buy any specific thing next year for the same amount of dollars as this year, you also speculate.

Relative stability will come from the different speeds people react to the changing value. Some people don't care, they have business to do, and holding a cash balance is part of doing business. So if a lot of people react slowly, the money value will be more stable. Almost nobody chooses bitcoin to be that business related cash balance for the time being, hence the relative unstability.

Fiat money types are obviously not stable, just look at what happened to the yuan, the swiss franc, the yen, and basically all the smaller fiats. That does not mean that the dollar is stable, that is only a dollar centric view. Seen from the yen world, the dollar has risen. But on a day to day basis, it seldom moves more than 1 percent.


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August 14, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
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i think many , when talking about stability they refer principally to the minimum fluctuation, a 1-5% at max instability,  should be considered "stable"

bitcoin is also more unstable than fiat because it is tied to fiat, usd isn't tied to anything for example...
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August 14, 2015, 07:44:30 AM
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It's simple, it's too small at the moment. The marketcap is too small and order books are too thin. Today, a 1 so called whale is enough to move the price up or down by $20, with 1 sell or buy.

Now imagine if Bitcoin marketcap was 10 times higher or around $30 billion, well to move the price by $20 it would be also 10 times harder.
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August 14, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
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It's simple, it's too small at the moment. The marketcap is too small and order books are too thin. Today, a 1 so called whale is enough to move the price up or down by $20, with 1 sell or buy.

Now imagine if Bitcoin marketcap was 10 times higher or around $30 billion, well to move the price by $20 it would be also 10 times harder.

Not only that, currently most of the bitcoins are with day traders they won't allow prices to stabilize otherwise their profits will go away.
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August 14, 2015, 09:03:22 AM
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fluctuating price of bitcoin is proportional or in accordance with market demand,
if more people are buying, the price of bitcoin will rise, because the stock of orange reduced
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August 14, 2015, 09:31:19 AM
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In economics it is named 'supply and demand theory'.However, when the volume of BTC emission is big enough there will be many players in the market so any individual or group of individuals will not be able to effect the price.If the price volatility goes down, big investors and big funds will be willing to enter the market.
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August 14, 2015, 12:17:44 PM
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It's simple, it's too small at the moment. The marketcap is too small and order books are too thin. Today, a 1 so called whale is enough to move the price up or down by $20, with 1 sell or buy.

Now imagine if Bitcoin marketcap was 10 times higher or around $30 billion, well to move the price by $20 it would be also 10 times harder.

Not only that, currently most of the bitcoins are with day traders they won't allow prices to stabilize otherwise their profits will go away.

Well that too, since the market is so small and easy to move, Bitcoin is pretty much a safe haven for speculators. They know exactly what to do and how to move the market in order to maximize their profits.

However, looking at the Ethereum pump at the moment, it seems that all of the speculators at the moment are in the ETH/BTC market.
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It's simple, it's too small at the moment. The marketcap is too small and order books are too thin. Today, a 1 so called whale is enough to move the price up or down by $20, with 1 sell or buy.

Now imagine if Bitcoin marketcap was 10 times higher or around $30 billion, well to move the price by $20 it would be also 10 times harder.

Not only that, currently most of the bitcoins are with day traders they won't allow prices to stabilize otherwise their profits will go away.

Well that too, since the market is so small and easy to move, Bitcoin is pretty much a safe haven for speculators. They know exactly what to do and how to move the market in order to maximize their profits.

However, looking at the Ethereum pump at the moment, it seems that all of the speculators at the moment are in the ETH/BTC market.

Only experts can make more money from this day trading not the new users. So one should be careful about the trading.
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August 14, 2015, 03:10:14 PM
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Currently major wealth of bitcoin is limited to a few hands only.
So they try to manipulate the prices and creates pumps and dumps.
But after mass adaption in future,  the prices will become stable and we will see the true price of Bitcoin.
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August 15, 2015, 05:15:39 AM
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Currently major wealth of bitcoin is limited to a few hands only.
So they try to manipulate the prices and creates pumps and dumps.
But after mass adaption in future,  the prices will become stable and we will see the true price of Bitcoin.
Yes, I'm also waiting for mass adaption very badly.
Till then I'm increasing my stock of bitcoins.
The prices are always controlled by whales and those rascals always play with our money.
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