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May 20, 2015, 10:08:50 PM
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Yanis Varoufakis, the finance minister of Greece, run independently, however supported by Syriza the socialist (maybe communist?) party currently governing Greece. He is very popular and very praised, almost like a deity, but i dont know why??  Huh

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Yes he knows about bitcoin, and bla bla bla, but you guys actually hear what he is saying, he wants an European Soviet Union, to absorb the debt of deficit spending- socialist countries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5Al0Z2HEE

So he basically wants Germany and other countries to absorb the debts of all idiot governments who spend beyond their means, a.k.a Centralized EU, obviously European Soviet Union

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He knows about Bitcoin, but he will never implement it because he is a socialist who only wants to steal from people, and Bitcoin is about sovereign wealth, individuality and freedom, and not about socialist extortion racket.

Also he is a Marxist ☭


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May 20, 2015, 10:46:15 PM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.
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May 20, 2015, 10:55:01 PM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

The state =/= the people, oh yea like Marxism worked out in: Venezuela, Soviet Union, Cuba, East Europe. They were one of the worst places on earth, and you want to bring back the curse of communism back?

How many times has communism has to fail so that guys like you to understand it? Why the fuck do you use Bitcoin?

Because unless you realized, bitcoin respects private property, communists dont.

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May 20, 2015, 11:51:15 PM
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I think that's a bit of a misreading of Varoufakis' influence over global politics.

One can disagree with his politics (I do), but it's pretty clear that his attempts to alter Greece's political system can be crushed in an instant by the financial power of German/Western European capital.

We need not fear a socialist revolution originating in Greece--Varoufakis exists in the wrong historical context for his movement to ever take-off. (Also he is not a Soviet-sympathizer; he has described himself as an 'erratic Marxist' and is more or less a social democrat. Most people within Syriza are to his left. Make of that what you will.)
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May 21, 2015, 12:55:35 AM
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I think that's a bit of a misreading of Varoufakis' influence over global politics.

One can disagree with his politics (I do), but it's pretty clear that his attempts to alter Greece's political system can be crushed in an instant by the financial power of German/Western European capital.

We need not fear a socialist revolution originating in Greece--Varoufakis exists in the wrong historical context for his movement to ever take-off. (Also he is not a Soviet-sympathizer; he has described himself as an 'erratic Marxist' and is more or less a social democrat. Most people within Syriza are to his left. Make of that what you will.)

First i kinda liked the guy, mostly because he was one of the most popular politician from the region, that was supportive of bitcoin.

Then I realize how naive I was ,because after he gave that interview, he exposed himself and his true intentions.

He is a globalist / marxist who wants to create an European Soviet Union, also he is highly populist using hegelian diaclectic, so be careful with that!

No question he wants the external liability out of his country, but i think many people mis-see his true intention, because even though he seems like he doesn't like the cental banksters, he would subscribe to an europen centralized model, which would give away Greece's sovereignity , so he contradicts himself.

So it seems to me all this fight between the "evil EU banks" and the "heroic government that will save the day" is a childish mirage. I don't like any of them, i`m a Libertarian. Smiley

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May 21, 2015, 01:11:25 AM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

Yea so instead of being the slave of the big corporations you can become the slave of the government.

Pretty good idea, why haven't i thought of this before?  Cheesy

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May 21, 2015, 01:52:40 AM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

Either the production must be owned by the people, or it will should be owned by the state. Both are different. In case of communism, the latter will be true. And the reason for the failure of this system is that the "state" here will almost always be corrupt and inefficient. Examples are North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. In rare cases, this system can be successfully implemented, if the state machinery is efficient. A notable example is that of East Germany, which fared relatively better under Erich Honecker.
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May 21, 2015, 03:07:28 AM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

Either the production must be owned by the people, or it will should be owned by the state. Both are different. In case of communism, the latter will be true. And the reason for the failure of this system is that the "state" here will almost always be corrupt and inefficient. Examples are North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. In rare cases, this system can be successfully implemented, if the state machinery is efficient. A notable example is that of East Germany, which fared relatively better under Erich Honecker.

No the government loves you, it's just that they steal half of your money every month and lie to your constantly at a 24 hour basis.

■They also love children, thats why they send them to indoctrination centers by the young age and put massive propaganda in them, then use psychological terror on them, and by the time they are finished at 18, they become obedient, bored, and lack-of creativity, slaves to the system.

■They also love old people, that's why they let the big banks steal the pension funds.

■They also love young people who are near marriage, that's why they put regulations in place so that they cant start a business and cant have a normal paying job and tax the 20-30 year olds the most so that they will definitely have money to raise a family.

■Oh but dont worry we got the banksters who will provide us with car loans, student loans, house loans, credit cards and all your goodies. Just sign the dotted line, and become a slave of the system Smiley


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May 21, 2015, 07:28:17 AM
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Varoufakis and his party won election in Greek based on many empty promises.
Now, they face cruel reality and probably they will have to submit to EU and international financial institutions or Greek will bankrupt.
In my opinion, Greek deserve much better but it seems politicians there just can't accept reality.
It is obvious that Varoufakis already irritated many European finance ministers because of his inability and constant avoiding execution of financial obligations.
To average people he can be interesting but in the long term he may do great harm to his country.



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May 21, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
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I'm actually going to defend Marxists here, there aren't really many real communists or socialists around anymore, what you have in the main political arena like this stupid twat are Leninists and Stalinists, these 'communists' turned on the Anarchists at the protests in Greece ( I suspect this finance minister had something to do with it ) and apparently it was over some guy getting badly injured or killed there and of course there are conflicting reports where people are saying it was the protestors that hit the person with a rock or something but Anarchists are saying it was police tear gas and adding to the Anarchist side of the argument the communists seemed far too organised to just suddenly have 'reacted' to this guy getting killed when they joined up with the police.

http://roarmag.org/2011/10/anarchists-communists-strike-riots-violence-greece/

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May 21, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

Yea so instead of being the slave of the big corporations you can become the slave of the government.

Pretty good idea, why haven't i thought of this before?  Cheesy

You deserve a nobel prize!

Ofcourse i deserve a nobel prize, because i know better mathematics than the IMF/EU idiots. Even a simple housewife knows better mathematics.
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May 21, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

The state =/= the people, oh yea like Marxism worked out in: Venezuela, Soviet Union, Cuba, East Europe. They were one of the worst places on earth, and you want to bring back the curse of communism back?

How many times has communism has to fail so that guys like you to understand it? Why the fuck do you use Bitcoin?

Because unless you realized, bitcoin respects private property, communists dont.

I respect the private property, i don't respect the private production.
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The state is not the people, the state is a wholly seperate entity, shame, thought you sounded like a syndicalist at first, but you're definitely a Communist.
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May 21, 2015, 01:33:29 PM
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Yanis Varoufakis, the finance minister of Greece, run independently, however supported by Syriza the socialist (maybe communist?) party currently governing Greece. He is very popular and very praised, almost like a deity, but i dont know why??  Huh

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Yes he knows about bitcoin, and bla bla bla, but you guys actually hear what he is saying, he wants an European Soviet Union, to absorb the debt of deficit spending- socialist countries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5Al0Z2HEE

So he basically wants Germany and other countries to absorb the debts of all idiot governments who spend beyond their means, a.k.a Centralized EU, obviously European Soviet Union

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He knows about Bitcoin, but he will never implement it because he is a socialist who only wants to steal from people, and Bitcoin is about sovereign wealth, individuality and freedom, and not about socialist extortion racket.

Also he is a Marxist ☭





And as with any good marx lover, his life does not fit what he preaches for others...



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May 21, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
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I'm actually going to defend Marxists here, there aren't really many real communists or socialists around anymore, what you have in the main political arena like this stupid twat are Leninists and Stalinists, these 'communists' turned on the Anarchists at the protests in Greece ( I suspect this finance minister had something to do with it ) and apparently it was over some guy getting badly injured or killed there and of course there are conflicting reports where people are saying it was the protestors that hit the person with a rock or something but Anarchists are saying it was police tear gas and adding to the Anarchist side of the argument the communists seemed far too organised to just suddenly have 'reacted' to this guy getting killed when they joined up with the police.

http://roarmag.org/2011/10/anarchists-communists-strike-riots-violence-greece/

Be wary of any Authoritarian scumbags trying to declare themselves your friends.

I`m an anarcho-capitalist and those guys are really scumbags.

I would never harm any private property or other people, unless of course for self defence.


Those red idiots who protest there are just a bunch of idiot brainwashed, thugs, or communists. They are heavy authoritarianists.

Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

Yea so instead of being the slave of the big corporations you can become the slave of the government.

Pretty good idea, why haven't i thought of this before?  Cheesy

You deserve a nobel prize!

Ofcourse i deserve a nobel prize, because i know better mathematics than the IMF/EU idiots. Even a simple housewife knows better mathematics.

Ok Mr. math genius. So you say you know math, ok then explain to me the pension system.

So you pay your entire life's earnings, a % of it, in a pension fund, just so that you can get pension for 5-7 years before you die after you retire.
So as healthcare advances and people live longer, you will have to increase the retirement age for it to work out.

Now since the entire pension system & healcare system , both, are ponzi schemes, unless you get more loans from banksters, it will collapse, and the poor old woman will be left without pension.

So your stupid marxism, is what feeds the banksters. Every single penny that the government borrows, because it spends more than it gets, will attract all sorts of thieves and thugs to steal that money.

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May 21, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
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Marxism is good. The means of production must be owned by the state, ie the people.

The state =/= the people, oh yea like Marxism worked out in: Venezuela, Soviet Union, Cuba, East Europe. They were one of the worst places on earth, and you want to bring back the curse of communism back?

How many times has communism has to fail so that guys like you to understand it? Why the fuck do you use Bitcoin?

Because unless you realized, bitcoin respects private property, communists dont.

I respect the private property, i don't respect the private production.

Oh really, i think you are just a thief, because whatever private property we might own, you will always support thiefs who would rob that from us.

See if i own a farmland, you will eventually want to steal that from me, because you are just a thief who supports a biggest thief called the state.

He is using hegelian dialectic, born liar, and that smile is so fake on his face.

Stalin also lived in a castle ....

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May 21, 2015, 06:52:07 PM
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Stalin also lived in a castle ....
Maybe. But unlike many others, Stalin has left nothing after death. Basically there were only his jacket, uniform and the shoes, all remaining property was state owned. What is the number of people like him?
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No, capitalists, like you, are thieves because they steal the profit of the productivity of the employees.
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Stalin also lived in a castle ....
Maybe. But unlike many others, Stalin has left nothing after death. Basically there were only his jacket, uniform and the shoes, all remaining property was state owned. What is the number of people like him?

Why do you need any property after you die?  Cheesy

He lived off his whole life from other people's hard work, he was a parasite. And on top of that he mass murdered many innocent people...

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May 21, 2015, 07:02:33 PM
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No, capitalists, like you, are thieves because they steal the profit of the productivity of the employees.

No because a job contract is voluntary, YOU CAN LEAVE WHENEVER YOU WANT. You can also make your own business if you want, nobody would stop you (except the state). Taxes are fucking not voluntary, it's basically an armed robbery!

Your system is based on violence and theft. Mine is based on freedom and voluntary, mutual association, and cooperation.

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Sorry but life isnt a pink paradise with ponies, you have to be able to make inteligent decisions for youself. And why should i pay for idiot's who made the wrong decision...  Huh

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You have no idea what is a tax. You know only microeconomics. You have no idea about macroeconomics.  Go to school.
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You have no idea what is a tax. You know only microeconomics. You have no idea about macroeconomics.  Go to school.


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You have no idea what is a tax. You know only microeconomics. You have no idea about macroeconomics.  Go to school.

A tax is an extortion, and if you dont pay it they will send armed thugs to your house demanding it, if you resist arrest, they will use lethal force against you.

It's a system based on violence and theft. You have to be their obedient slave in order to get along, otherwise only trouble will happen.

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A tax is the refund of excess money in circulation. I can't talk to you because you don't know macroeconomics. Go to school and come back later.
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A tax is the refund of excess money in circulation. I can't talk to you because you don't know macroeconomics. Go to school and come back later.

Ok you are either a paid troll or you learned economy in a vodoo school.

Since when is excess money, a sum robbed from fertile 20 year old working people (who need that money to create a family) ?

Besides, the method of extracting it is violent, cruel and unnecessary. You advocate global violence and enslavement, i`m not talking with you anymore, you are an immoral person.  Huh

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May 21, 2015, 10:50:40 PM
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GreenStox,

he is in position of rebel, an underdog. So what, if one socialist is fighting another 27 (EU)? Your empathy needs a boost, man. I am also quite appaled by your rather immature way of responding to other people notes. If you arent interested in discussion, you shouldnt start it in the first place.
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May 25, 2015, 07:57:16 PM
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He's just a loser from a country with a majority of losers so he got elected and now he's famous. In ancient times, the rich countries who've lent so much to Greece would just go there, and rightly seize everything they see as valuable, because they've paid for it. I don't thing he will stay famous long, when the people will discover that his policies aren't making the country any better.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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May 25, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
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A tax is the refund of excess money in circulation. I can't talk to you because you don't know macroeconomics. Go to school and come back later.






Greece can’t make June IMF payment without creditor deal, minister says


Greece cannot make debt repayments to the International Monetary Fund next month unless it achieves a deal with creditors, its interior minister said on Sunday, the most explicit remarks yet from Athens about the likelihood of default if talks fail.

Shut out of bond markets and with bailout aid locked, cash-strapped Athens has been scraping state coffers to meet debt obligations and to pay wages and pensions. With its future as a member of the 19-nation euro zone potentially at stake, a second government minister accused its international lenders of subjecting it to slow and calculated torture.

After four months of talks with its euro zone partners and the IMF, the leftist-led government is still scrambling for a deal that could release up to €7.2-billion ($9.7-billion) in remaining aid to avert bankruptcy.

“The four instalments for the IMF in June are €1.6-billion. This money will not be given and is not there to be given,” Interior Minister Nikos Voutsis told Greek Mega TV’s weekend show.

Mr. Voutsis was asked about his concern over a “credit event,” a term covering scenarios like bankruptcy or default, if Athens misses a payment.

“We are not seeking this, we don’t want it, it is not our strategy,” he said.

“We are discussing, based on our contained optimism, that there will be a strong agreement [with lenders] so that the country will be able to breathe. This is the bet,” Mr. Voutsis said.

Previously, the Athens government has said it is in danger of running out of money soon without a deal, but has insisted it still plans to make all upcoming payments.

The government is under pressure to agree to more cuts and reforms to secure the funding, but opposes measures which it says make the situation worse by preventing recovery from one of the deepest recessions in modern times.

Mr. Voutsis said the government was determined to fight against the lenders’ strategy of “asphyxiation.”

“This policy of extreme austerity and unemployment in Greece must be hit,” he said. “We will not escape from this fight.”

In an effort to placate the hard left faction of his Syriza party, Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said on Saturday the government was on a final stretch towards a deal but would not accept “humiliating terms.”

Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, who sides with the party’s hard-left faction, told its central committee on Sunday the government must prepare the Greek people in case there is no deal in the coming days that is compatible with its promises.

“The so-called institutions in the last four months have applied a drip-feed torture on the Greek people, one of the most horrible blackmail practices in world history, at the expense of the country,” he said.

He told party cadres the government must be ready for any possible alternative solution to avoid new measures and privatizations.

Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis said Greece had made “enormous strides” at reaching a deal with its lenders to avert bankruptcy but it was now up to the institutions to do their bit.

“We have met them three-quarters of the way, they need to meet us one-quarter of the way,” he told Britain’s BBC on Sunday.

Mr. Varoufakis also said it would be “catastrophic” if Greece left the euro, predicting it would be “the beginning of the end of the common currency project.”

He said in the last four months, Athens had managed to pay public sector salaries, pensions and dues to the IMF by extracting 14 per cent of national output, doing “remarkably well” for an economy that doesn’t have access to money markets.

“At some point we will not be able to do it, and at some point we are going obviously to have to make this choice that no minister of finance should ever have to make,” Mr. Varoufakis said.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11626969/Greece-to-miss-IMF-payments-amid-fears-of-catastrophic-eurozone-rupture.html


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June 06, 2015, 10:06:44 PM
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GreenStox,

he is in position of rebel, an underdog. So what, if one socialist is fighting another 27 (EU)? Your empathy needs a boost, man. I am also quite appaled by your rather immature way of responding to other people notes. If you arent interested in discussion, you shouldnt start it in the first place.

Sorry for my bluntness, but i just dont have any other means of responding to irrational people. Everyone with a little honesty and observation power should realize that a nice packaging doesnt mean that what is inside the package is worth 2 dimes.

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