We need more Marxism and less Libertarianism in crypto

[TaunSew]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west.  We need a solution like a communist revolution.   We need equality for the people.  A five year plan.  No more bourgoise "pump and dump"

[shanem]

Communism has never worked in history.
It will be worse under communism. Look at China, it has denounced communism and embraced a market economy.

[TaunSew]

Communism has never worked in history.
It will be worse under communism. Look at China, it has denounced communism and embraced a market economy.

Well crypto is really rhetorical libertarianism like China is rhetorical Communist.  We need rhetorical communism.

[Snail2]

Well, communism has worked even less than libertarianism... In addition we are not equal at all. Some ppl are more talented in some areas while others are not. So this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

[YarkoL]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west. 

Welcome to the new west, comrade.

[MicroGuy]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west.  We need a solution like a communist revolution.   We need equality for the people.  A five year plan.  No more bourgoise "pump and dump"

The main problem with crypto at the moment is the developers are the only ones doing anything. We need communities to grow and users to focus, not chase every new skirt that comes prancing into town.

This will occur over time as it dawns on the participants themselves that their own crypto countrymen are the heart of their currency. We can't compete with bitcoin until we organize, unify, and consolidate. Let's get this down to just a zillion or two coins and maybe we can win the battle.

[Krang]

I think it's the other way round. We need more Libertarianism and less Communism so I'd support a Libertarian revolution but not a Comunistic one. Isn't Libertarian (non Marxist) Socialism just another term for Anarchy as well?

[JackRipper]

Communism has never worked in history.
It will be worse under communism. Look at China, it has denounced communism and embraced a market economy.

True Marxism has never been tried. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc... has tried to impose Marxism on a society that is not economically ready for it. True Marxism can only come from a capitalist economy that has taken the natural (according to Marx) step to Marxism only AFTER that capitalist economy has grown to the limits that Capitalism will allow.

Communist economies of the past and present have been rushed into existence without the technology and production capabilities that can only grow under Capitalism. According to Marx, Communism is the final and most advanced step in an economy's evolution.

Is Marx right? Who knows. No society has grown to the limits allowed by Capitalism yet.

[hoertest]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west.  We need a solution like a communist revolution.   We need equality for the people.  A five year plan.  No more bourgoise "pump and dump"

move to venezuela or north korea and enjoy your communism there for some time, then come back and post this stupid shit again.
we live in a new marxist world in case you didn't realise. Its called corporatism , the first form of socialism where they managed to account everything that goes wrong in it to capitalism so that the most stupid and untalented of society are constantly running around screaming for even more state involement and "equality".

[erre]

Soviet union and china was marxism like auroracoin was, just an elaborate scam, using the excuse of equal re-distribution to keep all the money.

Airdrop has never happened in any so said " marxism-inspired"  country.

[Rupert]

Communism is Central Planning. There is a leader! He plans.

But we need no leader, we need no planning. Bitcoin works without a leader and a planner.

Bitcoin is Anarchy. Federal Reserve and EZB is Communism. They plan the yield and money supply. Federal Reserve and EZB are obsolete. They do not contribute. What does not contribute gets whiped out by evolution.

I do not want to hurt your feelings. I am sure you would like to become a great leader and make a plan for a better world. Just do it! (-Nice)
Make a plan and get your sheeps.

Satoshi Nakamoto is another kind of human being. He changed the world by contributing. He served and took his share. I admire him more than anyone else (well even more than maybe Leonardo Davinci).

[Pro_Crypto_Marty]

True Marxism has never been tried. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc... has tried to impose Marxism on a society that is not economically ready for it. True Marxism can only come from a capitalist economy that has taken the natural (according to Marx) step to Marxism only AFTER that capitalist economy has grown to the limits that Capitalism will allow.

Communist economies of the past and present have been rushed into existence without the technology and production capabilities that can only grow under Capitalism. According to Marx, Communism is the final and most advanced step in an economy's evolution.

Is Marx right? Who knows. No society has grown to the limits allowed by Capitalism yet.

I tend to align more with this thinking. Bitcoin is still in it's baby years. Planning too far ahead will only create high expectations. We should adapt the system as we go according to what works at the present time and foreseeable future. For now let's just concern ourselves with encouraging adoption.

[Wheatclove]

Socialism > *

[DecentralizeEconomics]

OP have you heard about Bitshares?

[Decentradical]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west.  We need a solution like a communist revolution.   We need equality for the people.  A five year plan.  No more bourgoise "pump and dump"

move to venezuela or north korea and enjoy your communism there for some time

Move to the Congo to enjoy your libertarianism for some time.

[Nxtblg]

Communism has never worked in history.
It will be worse under communism. Look at China, it has denounced communism and embraced a market economy.

True Marxism has never been tried. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc... has tried to impose Marxism on a society that is not economically ready for it. True Marxism can only come from a capitalist economy that has taken the natural (according to Marx) step to Marxism only AFTER that capitalist economy has grown to the limits that Capitalism will allow.

Nice punt. I really mean that: it's a change to bump into someone who actually read Marx and is following what he actually wrote. Even if it leaves you with the awkward burden of showing that every Communist leader, from Lenin onwards, is a heretic.

[Nxtblg]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west. 

Welcome to the new west, comrade.

While it lasts....

[YarkoL]

Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west. 

Welcome to the new west, comrade.

While it lasts....

Well, there will always be a frontier somewhere.

[DryPowder]

I can´t believe my eyes.

[cryptonikus]

I think that you guys have words like marxism and commnunism connected with practical cases of when those ideas were hijacked by speculators and manipulators, who in capitalist society, would probably lead some sects or financial schemes to gain money (power).

But in general marxism and communism dont really advocate leader nor central planning. Communism is actually stateless society  -  pure libertarianism, but without private property. Problem is how to get to that stage of society and moral level, when person will just share everything and will work just for the good feeling that he is enriching society, while other in society are enriching him. That is were state came into. Ofcourse state will manage this middle phaze and that is where hijacking happens.

I think under certain conditions voluntaristic communist society could work. But whole planning would have to be managed by software and computers, that would daily create quotes based on ever updating info about society. Also decentralised system would fit it best. But we have to get to that phaze through capitalism...this system will create technology, that will create abundance, then futuristic communist society is quite possible.

Also new communism wont be about workers, but jobless people who will be majority, their work will be done by robots.

"Too many useful things will render too many people useless" Karl Marx