Why Government Likes Atheism

[BADecker]

Why does government like atheism? If atheists converted to Bible religion, the War on Drugs might shut down. In addition, all kinds of additional freedoms would be available to people so that government people would start to lose control of their slaves. Here's a story that shows why.

Back around the turn of this century - the year 2000 or so - the State of Texas went after a small husband and wife company for selling colloidal silver, which is a grandfathered-in nutrient. Their reasoning was that the people were making claims that colloidal silver could cure diseases, and because of this, the people were selling drugs, and fell under the classification of a controlled substance.

It is unclear whether or not Texas won its suit regarding the husband and wife team. However, the company apparently shut down and sold off its equipment and supplies.

One of the buyers of some of the equipment started his own company, manufacturing and selling colloidal silver. He also sold a little device about the size of a cellphone that a person could use to make his own colloidal silver. When the guy did this, he found himself named on the same lawsuit along with the previous company, even though he was never part of that company.

The reason that Texas gave for placing this guy on the law suit was, the little device he sold supposedly fell under laws as medical equipment. That's when this guy found out about, and contacted, Alfred Adask for help.

Alfred Adask is a legal researcher - though not an attorney; more like a paralegal - who often helps people with their legal issues. Alfred started looking into FDA law, and Texas law regarding drugs, etc.

The key piece of information that Alfred found regarding FDA drug and nutrient laws was a little term/phrase that is used, and has been used since the early 1900s, regarding people and animals. This little FDA term/phrase is "... people and other animals," and is found in drug laws in the U.S., and in many of the States as well.

For a long time human beings have been considered by many scientists and others, to simply be highly intelligent, reasoning animals. And, around this term/phrase, "... people and other animals," is where Alfred built his case. If government had simply said, "... people and animals," Alfred might not have been able to pull it off. But because government inserted the little word "other" where they did, government was essentially saying that people are animals, and Alfred was able to win against government. Here's how he did it, and it is pretty simple.

In the Bible, Genesis 9:6 says, "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." Look at the bolded part (which is my bolding, not bolded in the Bible). It is around this part that Alfred built his case.

The case is (my wording): If government calls people animals, then government is infringing on people's religious rights preserved under the First Amendment, especially if people include the Bible as part of their religion. Why? Because people have been made in the image of God, and animals have not. Thus, people are not animals, and government is infringing on the religious beliefs of people if they say that people are animals.

What had been happening in this case before Alfred noticed the government of his Bible findings was, every 4 or 5 weeks government was sending paperwork to the defendants (including Alfred - he had joined the case in a way that provoked government into including him as a defendant), threatening them with $millions of dollars in fines along with imprisonment.

After Alfred notice government of the above, they quit sending letters for about 5 months. They got a shrewd judge to handle the case, and tried to make a deal with the defendants that they would drop all charges if the defendants simply got food handlers permits. The defendants, including Alfred, didn't take the deal, and after a time government notice them that the case had been entirely dropped. This was about 2 years ago.

You can listen to Alfred explaining the case on one of Angela Stark's Talkshoes, at http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-730484.mp3. (Angela Stark's Talkshoes - http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=39904&pageNumber=0&pageSize=15. Angela Stark's webpage - http://www.myprivateaudio.com/. Alfred Adask's website - https://adask.wordpress.com/.)

The point of this whole post is, if anybody wants to use supposedly illegal drugs, all the FDA findings that the drug war is based on, revolve around the phrase, "... people and other animals." This means that any time that anybody wants to use illegal drugs legally, all they need to do is join a Bible religion, and they can beat government in court on any drug related charges.

Government doesn't want atheists to become religious for this exact reason. It isn't the Bible religious people that follow their religion faithfully who use the majority of illegal drugs. It is the atheists and the religious-in-name-only who do. If the atheists became Bible religious and used drugs, the war on drugs would collapse, and the face of the nation would change. Why? Because government couldn't use the drug laws against them anymore, because it would be an infringement on their religious rights. In addition, if the things that Alfred did came to light, people would start finding all different kinds of ways to apply Bible religion to all kinds of other things that government makes illegal.

What do you think? Listen to the recording at the link above first (http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-730484.mp3). The first half hour of the recording tells the largest part of this true story.

[BLKBITZ]

Sounds really interesting I loved how that guy stuck to the gov.

[BADecker]

Sounds really interesting I loved how that guy stuck to the gov.

Yes, it is reasonably easy to stick it to government. The double problem is, most people won't take the time to do it, and most people haven't figured out how to make money doing it.

Of course, if people MAKE money sticking it to government, they make the money off the ignorant working class, who are too ignorant to see how they could easily stop paying income taxes safely if they wanted.

[TECSHARE]

Government loves atheism, that makes them the closest thing to a God on earth. Government has sought to fill this role since governments existed. The case you cited is very telling. I have, in the past on this forum described how and why God is inseparably linked with law, back to its very beginnings until the modern day. The Bill of Rights for example, is a list of GOD GIVEN inalienable rights. If there was no God in law, you would have all the rights of an animal or a turnip. The case history you cited is another good example of how God is inseparably linked with law, and why you should want it to stay that way.

[JusticeForYou]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught? 

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

[BADecker]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

[celestio]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

[BADecker]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

You are so good. This is the exact reason that they love the atheism religion more. Just look at the post by TECSHARE posted above.

[celestio]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

You are so good. This is the exact reason that they love the atheism religion more. Just look at the post by TECSHARE posted above.

In case you didn't go to school in America. In America religion and state are supposedly separated, so those "god givens" have nothing to do with an actual god. It's the government playing on the beliefs/religion of the bible. That's why governments love some sort of religion, it makes it easier to control the people passively.

Go study politics kiddo.

[BADecker]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

You are so good. This is the exact reason that they love the atheism religion more. Just look at the post by TECSHARE posted above.

In case you didn't go to school in America. In America religion and state are supposedly separated, so those "god givens" have nothing to do with an actual god. It's the government playing on the beliefs/religion of the bible. That's why governments love some sort of religion, it makes it easier to control the people passively.

Go study politics kiddo.

Well, if you want to get picky, government doesn't do anything. Government is paperwork. Paperwork never jumps up and gives orders or does anything else. It is ALWAYS people who do what the paperwork tells them, after they (the people) read it. And, guess what. People have religion despite what government says.

[TECSHARE]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

Correlation does not equal causation. You just stated two separate things and pretend they are linked without providing any evidence or even any logical reasoning for it.

[celestio]

Funny,

 I thought Governments would just LOVE Christians with Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Taxes), and "Turn the other cheek".  Instead they love, do what you like just don't get caught?  

Hmm... No wonder they are failing.

Well of course they love Christians. They love that Christians are ignorant. They love that when Saint Paul says in Romans 13 that we are supposed to obey our government, they love that all these idiot Christians don't understand who their government is and why. They love that the Christians don't understand that anybody can select a different government without moving off their land, or out of their domicile. They love that the Christians think that they are slaves and that God tells them that they must be such, even though that is not what the words of the Bible say.

Governments love religion, because religion makes it substantially easier to control the people. Look at America, the NSA has been spying on people for years from everything from their cell phone calls, text messages, internet searches, browser history, hell there's even versions of Windows that are spied on by the NSA, and guess what, there's been no "revolts" by the people. Religion allows governments to totally control the people "peacefully" without the people even realizing it/caring.

With countries like China on the other hand that don't really like religion, they have to show their true colors and use "force".

Correlation does not equal causation. You just stated two separate things and pretend they are linked without providing any evidence or even any logical reasoning for it.

Have you read what you've typed at all?

Government loves atheism, that makes them the closest thing to a God on earth. Government has sought to fill this role since governments existed. The case you cited is very telling. I have, in the past on this forum described how and why God is inseparably linked with law, back to its very beginnings until the modern day. The Bill of Rights for example, is a list of GOD GIVEN inalienable rights. If there was no God in law, you would have all the rights of an animal or a turnip.(<Utter Garbage) The case history you cited is another good example of how God is inseparably linked with law, and why you should want it to stay that way.

Please, correct your own logical fallacies before assuming the role of correcting others. edited in: "(<Utter Garbage)"

[TECSHARE]

Please, correct your own logical fallacies before assuming the role of correcting others. edited in: "(<Utter Garbage)"

Just because you are ignorant of history and law does not make it a fallacy. What I stated was an example, and it is true that within the US, if God was to be completely stripped from law, YOU WOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS. You did not even bother to do that much, you just made two statements and linked them together without explaining any of the reasoning. It is a fact all law is based on God, and that doesn't change just because you sloppily apply a fallacy label to it.

I think this sums it up well:

"Set aside religion and consider this: If our fundamental rights are merely granted by the state, then they can be taken away by the state. What is more, the state would have no moral compunction not to rob us of our rights. The state is not particularly moral or special or better than people. The state is people. If they don't have some larger, higher moral code that guides them, then assumptions about what constitutes the "good" are, at least to some degree, arbitrary."

https://theweek.com/articles/546457/troubling-implications-believing-rights-dont-come-from-god

Even if you believe God is a fairy tale, it is still a fairy tale worth telling, because your rights are inherent as a living human, they are not granted to you by the state. In reality the Bill of Rights is not a list of your rights, but a list of rights the government is not allowed to infringe upon because they are "God given". If you remove God from the equation, rights are then granted by the state... and can be taken by the state, but don't mind any of that. You don't need rights when you are enjoying frothing at the mouth with intolerant anti-religious vitriol.

[MadGamer]

It's not that they like Atheism , it's simply they hate Religion because every religion is against what they are doing from killing people , and stealing etc ...

[BADecker]

It's not that they like Atheism , it's simply they hate Religion because every religion is against what they are doing from killing people , and stealing etc ...

Of course. Government hates everything that keeps them from accumulating money. Their preferences are in the direction of atheism, however, because atheists generally do not believe that atheism is a religion. This makes it all the easier for government to attack atheists, because atheists, by their own admission, don't fall under freedom of religion, the First Amendment. Of course, this is something that causes atheists to envy the freedom of religion protections that religions have.

[celestio]

It's not that they like Atheism , it's simply they hate Religion because every religion is against what they are doing from killing people , and stealing etc ...

You're joking right? It's the exact opposite. Tell that to ISIS and other radical religious states (They love religion as it's an excuse for immoral behavior, ever heard the saying that Religion turns good men bad...).

[TECSHARE]

It's not that they like Atheism , it's simply they hate Religion because every religion is against what they are doing from killing people , and stealing etc ...

You're joking right? It's the exact opposite. Tell that to ISIS and other radical religious states (They love religion as it's an excuse for immoral behavior, ever heard the saying that Religion turns good men bad...).

Any belief system can be manipulated to control the populace, even atheism. That by no means negates the value of all belief systems just because they can be exploited.

[celestio]

It's not that they like Atheism , it's simply they hate Religion because every religion is against what they are doing from killing people , and stealing etc ...

You're joking right? It's the exact opposite. Tell that to ISIS and other radical religious states (They love religion as it's an excuse for immoral behavior, ever heard the saying that Religion turns good men bad...).

Any belief system can be manipulated to control the populace, even atheism. That by no means negates the value of all belief systems just because they can be exploited.

Except that religions are belief systems based on faith, not evidence. Even if they claim to have evidence it's all subjective A Priori. Atheism is not. Controlling the population via Religion is much easier by governments and actions can be seen as directed by god, than otherwise as has been demonstrated by 90% of governments from the Egyptian Pharaohs to the Chinese Emperors.

[celestio]

Please, correct your own logical fallacies before assuming the role of correcting others. edited in: "(<Utter Garbage)"

Just because you are ignorant of history and law does not make it a fallacy. What I stated was an example, and it is true that within the US, if God was to be completely stripped from law, YOU WOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS. You did not even bother to do that much, you just made two statements and linked them together without explaining any of the reasoning. It is a fact all law is based on God, and that doesn't change just because you sloppily apply a fallacy label to it.

I think this sums it up well:

"Set aside religion and consider this: If our fundamental rights are merely granted by the state, then they can be taken away by the state. What is more, the state would have no moral compunction not to rob us of our rights. The state is not particularly moral or special or better than people. The state is people. If they don't have some larger, higher moral code that guides them, then assumptions about what constitutes the "good" are, at least to some degree, arbitrary."

https://theweek.com/articles/546457/troubling-implications-believing-rights-dont-come-from-god

Even if you believe God is a fairy tale, it is still a fairy tale worth telling, because your rights are inherent as a living human, they are not granted to you by the state. In reality the Bill of Rights is not a list of your rights, but a list of rights the government is not allowed to infringe upon because they are "God given". If you remove God from the equation, rights are then granted by the state... and can be taken by the state, but don't mind any of that. You don't need rights when you are enjoying frothing at the mouth with intolerant anti-religious vitriol.

Go find your nearest American history textbook and open it up. Do Buddhists treat each other without rights, yet they don't have a "god" in the same sense as the Abrahamic religions? No, they're one of the most peaceful religions to date.

The assumptions you make are so stupid and illogical, it puts you in the same league as BADecker.

Hint: The United States is not the only nation in the world, in case you don't have access to a globe or an airplane ticket.

[mayflor2]

Government loves atheism, that makes them the closest thing to a God on earth. Government has sought to fill this role since governments existed. The case you cited is very telling. I have, in the past on this forum described how and why God is inseparably linked with law, back to its very beginnings until the modern day. The Bill of Rights for example, is a list of GOD GIVEN inalienable rights. If there was no God in law, you would have all the rights of an animal or a turnip. The case history you cited is another good example of how God is inseparably linked with law, and why you should want it to stay that way.

Maybe government in 2015 does.   That has not been the case throughout history.    Religion has notoriously been used for social control and social order.    Especially during roman times, but even more recently used in the rise and falls of Islamic governments throughout the middle east.   Fear motivates.