Ross Ulbricht Jailtime Poll

[bryant.coleman]

Drugs are bad. Hell I nearly fucked my life over with some of the shit I used to buy off SR. Without SR I would never have had access to any of it. Honestly I can trace back to where everything started going wrong - it was precisely when I discovered the Darknet. Am I going to pass the blame to someone else? No. I'm the idiot that didn't know better and actually ordered the things I ordered, nothing too heavy, but I slipped into a real bad place because of all the repercussions.

Neither Ross nor Silk Road is to blame for any of your troubles. If you don't know how to take care of yourself, then it is your problem. I had an account with SR for a long time. But I never ordered any of the "shit" from there. That said, SR had a lot of vendors who dealt with useful items, such as cash-on-mail and bullion.

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[huadylmate]

Life in prison! It doesn't mean he deserves that though imho but we all know what will happen, will be made an example of and plastered everywhere to show the power of the state. Great like we didn't already know they have us by our balls. If I was judge he would be getting released or maybe if the pressure was to much minimum sentence whatever that maybe.

[MUFC]

Drugs are bad. Hell I nearly fucked my life over with some of the shit I used to buy off SR. Without SR I would never have had access to any of it. Honestly I can trace back to where everything started going wrong - it was precisely when I discovered the Darknet. Am I going to pass the blame to someone else? No. I'm the idiot that didn't know better and actually ordered the things I ordered, nothing too heavy, but I slipped into a real bad place because of all the repercussions.

Neither Ross nor Silk Road is to blame for any of your troubles. If you don't know how to take care of yourself, then it is your problem. I had an account with SR for a long time. But I never ordered any of the "shit" from there. That said, SR had a lot of vendors who dealt with useful items, such as cash-on-mail and bullion.

If you read the rest of the post instead of just the first sentence you'll see that he isn't blaming anyone but himself for his troubles.

[hayabusa911]

I voted for life because of the whole paying to have people killed thing!

[bennybong]

Drugs are bad. Hell I nearly fucked my life over with some of the shit I used to buy off SR. Without SR I would never have had access to any of it. Honestly I can trace back to where everything started going wrong - it was precisely when I discovered the Darknet. Am I going to pass the blame to someone else? No. I'm the idiot that didn't know better and actually ordered the things I ordered, nothing too heavy, but I slipped into a real bad place because of all the repercussions.

Neither Ross nor Silk Road is to blame for any of your troubles. If you don't know how to take care of yourself, then it is your problem. I had an account with SR for a long time. But I never ordered any of the "shit" from there. That said, SR had a lot of vendors who dealt with useful items, such as cash-on-mail and bullion.

If you read the rest of the post instead of just the first sentence you'll see that he isn't blaming anyone but himself for his troubles.

Thank you. Yes I had some genuine life problems at the time, and was prescribed medication by my doctor, to help with sleep. When I couldn't get any from my doctor I bought them off SR. They were totally legal (prescription) meds, albeit from a very illegal source. Never touched anything worse than a bit of weed otherwise.

Like I said - I'm all good these days. And yes I am an idiot, I learnt that the hard way

[bennybong]

I voted for life because of the whole paying to have people killed thing!

This is a very grey area and I think those charges have been dropped since. It was pretty much a setup, apart from the fact he stated he has had other hits done 'for cheaper'. Read into the Carl Force case...

[Whitehouse]

I voted for life because of the whole paying to have people killed thing!

This is a very grey area and I think those charges have been dropped since. It was pretty much a setup, apart from the fact he stated he has had other hits done 'for cheaper'. Read into the Carl Force case...

It may have been a set-up but pretty much all murder for hire prosecutions are. They have to have made the first move to hire a hitman and its when they do that law enforcement step in. What is unclear from the SR/DPR case is whether the corrupt undercover cops suggested the hitmen first to him. If they did that's entrapment. Regardless of that, it still looks bad on DPR because the intent was there.

[Beliathon]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

[BADecker]

If Ross was indeed a perpetrator of some kind of illegal activity, government can do exactly as they are doing. In fact, government can make up the whole story if they want, and if they can get away with it. But there is only ONE thing that condemns Ross. It is his acceptance of the things that Government says.

If Ross were to NOT accept government, and were to get up and require government to bring a harmed or injured accuser forward, have the accuser get on the stand in court and make the charges verbally, and then show the connection that proved that Ross did the harm and injury, and have an impartial eye witness to the fact, only then could Ross be found guilty. Basic, standard American law.

Since Ross did not require any of these things, he is essentially agreeing with whatever government says. He deserves what he gets, because he is leaving it in the hands of government, rather than require to face his accuser and probably be set free.

What the hell are you talking about? I think you live in a fantasy land. There doesn't have to be a 'physically harmed or injured accuser'. He broke the law in various ways and got caught and there's mountains of evidence against him, hence why he's fucked. Claiming some rambling nonsense about nobody being harmed wouldn't ever get him out of jail.

Here's what I am talking about. Standard court law in America if one invokes it is:
1. There has to be an accuser; in Ross's case it is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Google the indictment;
2. There needs to be one who is accused; in this case it is Ross (maybe);
3. There needs to be an impartial witness;
4. There needs to be evidence.

If any of the above fails, there is no case. If a judgment is handed down anyway, it is a void judgment.

Regarding the above 4 points:
1. If Ross stands as a man, unrepresented in any way, his accuser must be a man who can take the oath or affirmation, get on the stand, and state how he was personally harmed or injured (injured means damage to property). In this case, the accuser, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, will be unable to take the oath or affirmation, get on the stand, and utter anything by voice. No case because of this.
2. It is obvious that Ross is the defendant. However, if Ross had stood as a man in court, and filed a claim in the same case, requiring his accuser (in this case THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) to come forward and testify so that Ross could pay for any harm or injury done, Ross's claim would have to be heard first. Since THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn't do any of these things (as explained in #1), because THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA isn't a man or a woman, Ross would be found innocent of any wrongdoing, and would have won the case.
3. Where in all of this was an impartial witness who saw Ross do any of the things the plaintiff, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, was claiming? There might have been evidence that a witness saw after the fact. But there was no witness that actually saw Ross do any of the wicked evil wrongdoings. Ross wins.
4. The evidence is insecure because all kinds of folks had opportunity to tamper with the evidence. Ross wins.

If Ross got up and stood present as a man without any form of representation whatsoever, not even representing himself, and if he said words to the effect that he did not understand any of the legal system and law, (thereby placing himself outside of it), and even if he said that he did those illegal things, but where is the man or woman claiming harm or injury, if no man or woman comes forward, Ross wins.

This is standard American law. The reason things seldom happen this way is, few people ever do it this way. If they did, they would win, except that the 4 elements at the beginning of this post were present:
1. Man/woman accuser actually had harm or injury;
2. Defendant;
3. Impartial witness (man/woman) who saw Ross do the harm or injury;
4. Secure evidence not tampered with.

If you don't believe this, see http://voidjudgments.com/ for the legal sites.

If you want to understand how this works, listen to the first video and the first 3 audios at the right side of http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html.

Then get your friends who have been sent to prison out, because of their void judgments.

[MadGamer]

How old is he right now ? also do he still have the Bitcoins stored somewhere ? because if he is young and they give him only 20 years with the money still in his possession then i'd say it's a pretty good deal for him and he could get his life back when he come out 

[MadGamer]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

It doesn't exist. He tried to get at least 6 people killed.

Dafuq I've seen last time a link here which lead to a link to an Interview of CNN with his parents ... when they talk about him , He looks like the most friendly guy on the planet ...

[SOAD]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

This is what sentence you think he will get not what you hope he will get.

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

It doesn't exist. He tried to get at least 6 people killed.

Allegedly. And the charges were dropped so not relevant to this sentencing.

[Moebius327]

Well he did something no one else had done before and I kinda sympathise with him. I really hope he gets only 20 years. But what do I know, maybe he's a monster.

[QuestionAuthority]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

It doesn't exist. He tried to get at least 6 people killed.

Dafuq I've seen last time a link here which lead to a link to an Interview of CNN with his parents ... when they talk about him , He looks like the most friendly guy on the planet ...

You can't judge by looks. This guy looks like a total pussy that couldn't harm a fly but he killed and ate 17 men over a 13 year span.

[dothebeats]

If Ross was indeed a perpetrator of some kind of illegal activity, government can do exactly as they are doing. In fact, government can make up the whole story if they want, and if they can get away with it. But there is only ONE thing that condemns Ross. It is his acceptance of the things that Government says.

If Ross were to NOT accept government, and were to get up and require government to bring a harmed or injured accuser forward, have the accuser get on the stand in court and make the charges verbally, and then show the connection that proved that Ross did the harm and injury, and have an impartial eye witness to the fact, only then could Ross be found guilty. Basic, standard American law.

Since Ross did not require any of these things, he is essentially agreeing with whatever government says. He deserves what he gets, because he is leaving it in the hands of government, rather than require to face his accuser and probably be set free.

What the hell are you talking about? I think you live in a fantasy land. There doesn't have to be a 'physically harmed or injured accuser'. He broke the law in various ways and got caught and there's mountains of evidence against him, hence why he's fucked. Claiming some rambling nonsense about nobody being harmed wouldn't ever get him out of jail.

Here's what I am talking about. Standard court law in America if one invokes it is:
1. There has to be an accuser; in Ross's case it is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Google the indictment;
2. There needs to be one who is accused; in this case it is Ross (maybe);
3. There needs to be an impartial witness;
4. There needs to be evidence.

If any of the above fails, there is no case. If a judgment is handed down anyway, it is a void judgment.

Regarding the above 4 points:
1. If Ross stands as a man, unrepresented in any way, his accuser must be a man who can take the oath or affirmation, get on the stand, and state how he was personally harmed or injured (injured means damage to property). In this case, the accuser, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, will be unable to take the oath or affirmation, get on the stand, and utter anything by voice. No case because of this.
2. It is obvious that Ross is the defendant. However, if Ross had stood as a man in court, and filed a claim in the same case, requiring his accuser (in this case THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) to come forward and testify so that Ross could pay for any harm or injury done, Ross's claim would have to be heard first. Since THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn't do any of these things (as explained in #1), because THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA isn't a man or a woman, Ross would be found innocent of any wrongdoing, and would have won the case.
3. Where in all of this was an impartial witness who saw Ross do any of the things the plaintiff, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, was claiming? There might have been evidence that a witness saw after the fact. But there was no witness that actually saw Ross do any of the wicked evil wrongdoings. Ross wins.
4. The evidence is insecure because all kinds of folks had opportunity to tamper with the evidence. Ross wins.

If Ross got up and stood present as a man without any form of representation whatsoever, not even representing himself, and if he said words to the effect that he did not understand any of the legal system and law, (thereby placing himself outside of it), and even if he said that he did those illegal things, but where is the man or woman claiming harm or injury, if no man or woman comes forward, Ross wins.

This is standard American law. The reason things seldom happen this way is, few people ever do it this way. If they did, they would win, except that the 4 elements at the beginning of this post were present:
1. Man/woman accuser actually had harm or injury;
2. Defendant;
3. Impartial witness (man/woman) who saw Ross do the harm or injury;
4. Secure evidence not tampered with.

If you don't believe this, see http://voidjudgments.com/ for the legal sites.

If you want to understand how this works, listen to the first video and the first 3 audios at the right side of http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html.

Then get your friends who have been sent to prison out, because of their void judgments.

I learned a lot on the standard American law just by reading your post. Are you an attorney or something?

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If the United States of America, the accuser, couldn't stand in the court as a man, then there should be no case, right? Ross Ulbricht wins this case if ever, because it is already stated by the law. But what if the judge continue sentencing Ulbricht? Will it be voided because apparently, the accuser couldn't stand on the court and take the oath? Also, the witness part intrigues me. Who are the witnesses during the time Ulbricht ordered to kill 6 people? Man, this legal thing really amuses me.

EDIT: Sorry for the long quote. The whole quote interests me, and the whole point of the quote as well.

[MadGamer]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

It doesn't exist. He tried to get at least 6 people killed.

Dafuq I've seen last time a link here which lead to a link to an Interview of CNN with his parents ... when they talk about him , He looks like the most friendly guy on the planet ...

You can't judge by looks. This guy looks like a total pussy that couldn't harm a fly but he killed and ate 17 men over a 13 year span.

Indeed , so correct .
About my question , what's his age ? and also anyone of you guys know if he held some money ? If he have a brain wallet , I don't think he will remember it after 20 years or more

[QuestionAuthority]

Where's the zero years / abolish prison for non-violent offenders option?

It doesn't exist. He tried to get at least 6 people killed.

Dafuq I've seen last time a link here which lead to a link to an Interview of CNN with his parents ... when they talk about him , He looks like the most friendly guy on the planet ...

You can't judge by looks. This guy looks like a total pussy that couldn't harm a fly but he killed and ate 17 men over a 13 year span.

Indeed , so correct .
About my question , what's his age ? and also anyone of you guys know if he held some money ? If he have a brain wallet , I don't think he will remember it after 20 years or more

He's over 30 now but in his late 20s when he ran SR. I don't think anyone knows if he stashed some Bitcoin away. I assume he did and had it protected.

[Slaxt]

Maximum sentence to be made an example of. Then he has the other charges to face up to, it is not going to be his year 

[ticoti]

I'd say from 50 years to the life in prison...

[15Lemon714]

I'd say from 50 years to the life in prison...

I had to go with you that is exactly what I think. He will never be released, kind of unlucky where he decided to set up shop, some parts of the world he would be put of of his misery, other places he would not go to jail after paying out others ten to twenty years. Lets see what he gets.