Now that the bet is over...

[bg002h]

Now that we've given a scammer tag to a man after just a few hours of his even being able to verify that he indeed lost a crazy bet (a man who was probably sleeping at the time by the way), perhaps we should move on to something more significant.

Where's the revolution going next? Mesh networks? Insinuating itself (brilliantly) amongst the big established credit card companies in the fashion of BitInstant? Bitcoin banks with multisig?

As much as some might hate to admit it, it's gonna be someone like Matthew and decidedly not someone like Pirate that pushes Bitcoin forward...if you can't see the difference between a real scammer who profited off of others and what Matthew did, or think they are somehow equivalent, I suggest you think carefully. Most grown ups can see the difference...and no one really believes something that is too good to be true, much less act or rely upon it...

Good day all.

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[keystroke]

Now that we've given a scammer tag to a man after just a few hours of his even being able to verify that he indeed lost a crazy bet (a man who was probably sleeping at the time by the way), perhaps we should move on to something more significant.

Where's the revolution going next? Mesh networks? Insinuating itself (brilliantly) amongst the big established credit card companies in the fashion of BitInstant? Bitcoin banks with multisig?

As much as some might hate to admit it, it's gonna be someone like Matthew and decidedly not someone like Pirate that pushes Bitcoin forward...if you can't see the difference between a real scammer who profited off of others and what Matthew did, or think they are somehow equivalent, I suggest you think carefully. Most grown ups can see the difference...and no one really believes something that is too good to be true, much less act or rely upon it...

Good day all.

+1

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

[smoothie]

All of the things he describes in his interview with Micon he contradicts and also adds to.

http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2012_08_22_19_00_07.mp3

[dust]

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

I just checked, and yes, he finally got one.

[bg002h]

All of the things he describes in his interview with Micon he contradicts and also adds to.

http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2012_08_22_19_00_07.mp3

I have listened to it. It's what makes me think he's a decent guy. He sure picked a foolish bet, but then again there were many people gambling in pirate...equally foolish. But Mathews point is well taken...it reminds me of the people calling Casascius an idiot when he made a typo on his first series coins...people who hadn't actually done something for the community...(not that I've done much)

[bitlane]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

[bitcoiners]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

People made their bet because Matt told them to hedge for a pirate default when they could have sold their debt at 75% when the bet started.  They did in fact lose money because of this.  Stop trying to explain this away.  He is a scamming fuck.  Period.

[smoothie]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Matthew might be worse for bitcoin than Pirate. Pirate was clear as day a scam.

Matthew was branded staff on this forum and EIC of btc mag, etc, etc, etc

[bitlane]

Matthew might be worse for bitcoin than Pirate. Pirate was clear as day a scam.

Matthew was branded staff on this forum and EIC of btc mag, etc, etc, etc

Clearly. Imaginary money vs REAL MONEY....obviously worse 

[coinft]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Well, people who counted on the bet hedging their pirate debt surely lost money by not taking other offers.

And we don't know for sure why he pulled this stupid stunt, he sure did nothing to prove his original cause, and he may well have profited from it, e. g. by dealing in the pirate debt market himself.

[smoothie]

Matthew might be worse for bitcoin than Pirate. Pirate was clear as day a scam.

Matthew was branded staff on this forum and EIC of btc mag, etc, etc, etc

Clearly. Imaginary money vs REAL MONEY....obviously worse  

It's Bitcoin Reputation (w/ businesses and others) vs. People Too Stupid that sent their money to someone named "PIRATEAT40"

[bg002h]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

People made their bet because Matt told them to hedge for a pirate default when they could have sold their debt at 75% when the bet started.  They did in fact lose money because of this.  Stop trying to explain this away.  He is a scamming fuck.  Period.

Not trying to explain it away. I'm trying to show that precisely this type of reasoning is childish.

[BinaryMage]

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

People made their bet because Matt told them to hedge for a pirate default when they could have sold their debt at 75% when the bet started.  They did in fact lose money because of this.  Stop trying to explain this away.  He is a scamming fuck.  Period.

Not trying to explain it away. I'm trying to show that precisely this type of reasoning is childish.

It certainly seems so in retrospect, doesn't it? Matthew, unlike Pirate, had a good reputation and known identity.

[bitlane]

Boo Hoo... just wen I thought I had 'water-wings', it turns out that they popped and I will end up drowning anyways...LOL

[smoothie]

Boo Hoo... just wen I thought I had 'water-wings', it turns out that they popped and I will end up drowning anyways...LOL

Bitlane it is going to be really hard for any of us who did not lose money with pirate to even flinch at your trolling.

The fact that you did invest with pirate...well....speaks for itself in large volumes.

Cheers!

[bitcoiners]

Boo Hoo... just wen I thought I had 'water-wings', it turns out that they popped and I will end up drowning anyways...LOL

Bitlane it is going to be really hard for any of us who did not lose money with pirate to even flinch at your trolling.

The fact that you did invest with pirate...well....speaks for itself in large volumes.

Cheers!

Seriously what a dumbass.

[molecular]

+1

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

I think I will have to leave the forums for a while if every thread derails to the topic of either pirate or mnw before the third post even though the first post explicitly says "let's move on to something else".

back on topic: I think the next big thing for bitcoin is the collapse of fiat currency and the banking cartel. Until then, we better get our shit together and be ready to deliver sound money, I don't wanna have to pay stuff in silver coins or trust some central authority with the value of our accounting units ever again.

[mobodick]

+1

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

I think I will have to leave the forums for a while if every thread derails to the topic of either pirate or mnw before the third post even though the first post explicitly says "let's move on to something else".

back on topic: I think the next big thing for bitcoin is the collapse of fiat currency and the banking cartel. Until then, we better get our shit together and be ready to deliver sound money, I don't wanna have to pay stuff in silver coins or trust some central authority with the value of our accounting units ever again.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And who will run the internet for you when fiat collapses?

[molecular]

+1

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

I think I will have to leave the forums for a while if every thread derails to the topic of either pirate or mnw before the third post even though the first post explicitly says "let's move on to something else".

back on topic: I think the next big thing for bitcoin is the collapse of fiat currency and the banking cartel. Until then, we better get our shit together and be ready to deliver sound money, I don't wanna have to pay stuff in silver coins or trust some central authority with the value of our accounting units ever again.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And who will run the internet for you when fiat collapses?

don't worry, we will.

[bg002h]

+1

Does pirate have the scammer tag yet?

I think I will have to leave the forums for a while if every thread derails to the topic of either pirate or mnw before the third post even though the first post explicitly says "let's move on to something else".

back on topic: I think the next big thing for bitcoin is the collapse of fiat currency and the banking cartel. Until then, we better get our shit together and be ready to deliver sound money, I don't wanna have to pay stuff in silver coins or trust some central authority with the value of our accounting units ever again.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And who will run the internet for you when fiat collapses?

That's a valid point. If fiat collapses quickly, much of our public infrastructure will stop working...we need an orderly transition in order for Bitcoin to have value...we need a minimum connectedness to keep Bitcoin running...