Where to Invest Bitcoin - ArchVentures SA, Portugal (ARCH)

[andreibi]

Dear long-term Bitcoin holder,

I know you may be bullish on Bitcoin, given the amount of investments pouring into Bitcoin-related businesses this 2015. However, it seems prudent that you don't just leave your bitcoins stored away, but instead, invest them in worthwhile ventures that could give you larger returns than just waiting for Bitcoin's price to appreciate in value in the years to come. I introduce to you, a brick and mortar business that may increase your Bitcoin holdings.

• Moby is finally being assembled.
• The company focuses on the Moby Project.
• Build contracts for five Moby units already signed. Proof of contract to be released on Portuguese media.
• Build contracts for eight Moby units are under negotiations
• June 24, 2015 - Deadline for the submission of detailed marketing and business plans to http://www.portugalventures.pt/ in line for receiving some €600,000 funding in relation to EU Structural Funds under the Portugal2020 program. ArchVentures is required to put up €150,000 as show money for the grant. The company will use the funds raised during the initial offering of ArchVentures last year.

Located in Portugal, ArchVentures SA (ARCH) is a decentralized autonomous corporation (DAC). It was created as a startup holding company in which its equity is represented by a cryptographic token (Archcoin). ARCH employs a revolutionary method of profit distribution which aims to channel FIAT from outside the crypto ecosystem into Archcoin. Its areas of interests are: architecture, construction (real estate) and 3D printing. Although, it also has other projects which are crypto-related.

To improve equity fungibility, revenue from any of the holding company's products or services is to be used to purchase more tokens from the market, thereby making the holding company's equity token exponentially more valuable with each additional revenue stream. For example: a monthly net income of $50,000 (210BTC at $237) will be used to market buy 210BTC worth of Archcoin sell orders.

What is Archcoin?

• It is not an alternative coin or altcoin. Archcoin exists solely for revenue sharing. It does not aim to be the future of digital currency or to replace Bitcoin.
• It’s a cryptographic token representing interests in ArchVentures SA. However it is only a mean to that end. The company or majority of the holders can decide to change the underlying technology or shift to a different form altogether through coin swaps. ArchVentures SA is not dependent on Archcoin. Any advantage or disadvantage to Archcoin’s token technology does not affect its value.
• Similar to traditional company shares, it also represents voting rights to which direction should ArchVentures take.
• However unlike traditional shares with dividends, revenue or income is partially (50%) distributed to the market through market buy orders. This mechanism addresses the current uncertainty regarding regulation of crypto-securities. Though this is a matter of company policy which can be changed depending on current governmental policies towards crypto-securities.

ARCH's corporate trading platform (the wallet)

It has tiered conditional access levels which had created a natural self-audit system that has proven very effective when it comes to managing this corporate setup and its holders. Value in information is trusted to holders according to their own responsibility in the corporate structure. In this tiered setup, the amount of tokens held serves as a basis of evaluating trust and involvement with the company itself.

This unique approach opens doors for a new generation of DACs, fusing decentralized communities with traditional company structures using tiered conditional access levels to secure the flow of information. Although tailored to our specific ventures and “community” needs, the ARCH wallet concept is an outstanding, first-of-its-kind example for other future DACs looking to combine all relevant information and tools regarding the company and its equity token in one place. ARCH is taking that concept even further and seeks to integrate the whole company structure into its wallet as the company grows.

In a nutshell, Arch re-arranged how investors interacted in DACs to establish healthier lines of communication while changing the financial structure so that FIAT revenue would be injected directly into the tokens fungibility instead of being distributed through dividends.

Holding 8,000 archcoins enables you access to HQ information; 16,000 coins allows you access to incoming sales which means incoming market buys of archcoins. Holding 32,000 coins (CEO level) gives you voting rights in any major corporate undertaking.

ArchVenture's Headquarters
It is located in Faro, Algarve, Portugal at LARGO S.LUIS nº11-C 1ºESQ.

Meet the Team
Edgar Soares – 20 years of experience as an architect with a vast portfolio ranging from datacenters, housing and urban planning. MB in Architecture by the University of Oporto in Portugal. Also, the creator of Moby
Hélio Mascarenhas – Designer and co-developer of Moby - Partner
Tiago Silva - Marketing Director that has worked for Grupo Gamobar, Peugeot and Audi
Ana Silva – Economist, Financial Advisor, VC Pitcher, CEO at Ecovariante Lda
Financial Administration - http://www.marso.pt/Default_GB.aspx

ArchVenture's Flagship Project: Moby - Next Generation Leisure and Recreational Dwellings
Website: http://moby.io/ or http://www.archello.com/en/project/moby





Moby Prototypes under construction



Moby is a property of FunnyPyramid Lda, a company 50% owned by ArchVentures and the rest by partners that are boat manufacturers, nautical engineers and architects. It is primarily designed by Edgar Correia Soares, also the head CEO of ArchVentures SA.

Every time there's a Moby unit sold (roughly $30,000 value), that's a huge market buy of archcoins. You who holds 16k archcoins gets notified of an imminent buy in the market. This setup will guarantee that as long as there are Moby units sold, you will never be in danger of losing investment value.

Even if BTC prices are suffering, Moby as a product can succeed. Unlike many BTC-related companies that are depending on the price of Bitcoin to succeed. ARCH has a means to sustain itself beyond BTC and will only be further boosted by increase in BTC prices. How? If 1 BTC is $50 each, that means 600BTC market buys (one Moby sale). If 1 BTC is $200 each, that means 150BTC market buys. When BTC price increases, so does 1 archcoin since it's priced in BTC.

3D Printing Services

ArchVentures is foremost an architectural firm. The company has purchased an Ultimaker 2 to begin exploring another innovative market, the 3D printing realm - 3D Printing with focus on architecture modeling and 3D portraiting.  In their offices, they already provide 3D services for other architectural firms. This additional service will provide another revenue stream for the company.

• Archcoin < Designing Profit > - http://archcoin.co/pdf/archcoin_whitepaper.pdf
• The WHALE <Chinese > - https://archcoin.co/pdf/whale_whitepaper_cn.pdf
• The WHALE <English> - https://archcoin.co/pdf/whale_whitepaper.pdf

• CRUNCHBASE  - https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/archventures-sa
• ARCH SUPPORT HELPDESK     - https://archsupport.freshdesk.com/support/home
• BLOCK EXPLORER  - https://chainz.cryptoid.info/arch/
• MARKET CAP  - http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/archcoin/

   
   
   

 

 

 

 

 

Edgar Soares is a registered architect at http://www.arquitectos.pt/




Moby Market and Competitors



FYI: Most of the information here comes from ArchVentures SA

[pedrog]

'Dividend' distribution seems pretty unfair, specially if big boys have privileged information.

Is this some kind of IPO? How are you going to get the desired funds? Pumping the coin?

Isn't there a clear problem with exchanges being the biggest holders?

[andreibi]

All serious holders (holding 8,000 tokens above) gets informed real-time.

IPO was done almost 9 months ago. Which desired funds? IPO funds? The IPO funds are mostly being used for the Moby project. Pumping the coin? There are no pumps, only revenue sharing when income comes in. However, you can choose by end of 2015 to convert to traditional shares.

There are over 100 holders with the largest holdings. How is that unfair when some companies only have less than 10 holders? ArchVentures has the most distributed number of coins in the cryptospace, unlike others which clearly can control market price.

[hendra147]

how to join or Invest in ARCH ?
PM me for detail
iam interesting to buy and hold more ARCH

Please PM me

[andreibi]

how to join or Invest in ARCH ?
PM me for detail
iam interesting to buy and hold more ARCH

Please PM me

Arch are readily available here
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ARCH


Once, you have around 8,000 tokens or more. Keep it in your own Archcoin wallet and register here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1r4YnaH0w292zgUuiWkhjAamZPNmJ7J9r3rU0tZ4vdq0/viewform

Once you have joined Arch HQ, you will be able to get updates from the company in real-time.

[waterpile]

how to join or Invest in ARCH ?
PM me for detail
iam interesting to buy and hold more ARCH

Please PM me

Arch shares are readily available here
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ARCH


Once, you have around 8,000 tokens or more. Keep it in your own Archcoin wallet and register here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1r4YnaH0w292zgUuiWkhjAamZPNmJ7J9r3rU0tZ4vdq0/viewform

Once you have joined Arch HQ, you will be able to get updates from the company in real-time.

May i know what do we get from having 8k tokens? Also are we talking about having 8k arch coins or what?

I'm planning to buy more in the next week or month..

[andreibi]

May i know what do we get from having 8k tokens? Also are we talking about having 8k arch coins or what?

I'm planning to buy more in the next week or month..

Yes, 8k archcoins. It gets you minimum access to Arch's trading platform (wallet) which has tiered access to several rooms.

ARCH HQ [ 8000 ARCH approx. 0.05% of total supply ] In-wallet messaging channel through which privileged information is relayed:

• ARCHcoin Development Notification – Know about developments, project status and project announcements before release to the general public.
• Private channel – Trade information sharing between anonymous shareholders
• Pair_bots – Know what coins are listed/delisted before anyone else
• Price_bots – Know any coin price from all the major exchanges and compare.
• Whale-Spotter – Know when buy/sell walls over 10 BTC are added to any crypto-currency on the watch list

ARCH Trading Room [ 16000 ARCH approx. 0.1% of total supply ]  

• In-wallet sales notification feed: Real  Time  Order  Processing  Notification  (with  sound) - Know when/what
  purchases/orders are made on any of the ARCHprojects and be informed of imminent market buy ups.

ARCH CEO [ 32000 ARCH approx. 0.2% of total supply ]

• In-wallet multi-purpose voting system: Valid stakeholders will have in-wallet voting rights on all topics opened for discussion at the website  or  being discussed on the ARCH HQ channel,  regarding  the  future investments  of  ArchVentures  or any decision  pertaining to investment options, project choices, blockchain changes and even changes to minimum stakes values.

Please do take note: customizing Bitcoin QT-wallet technology do take time. Security of information needs to be penetration tested. So, the platform is not yet in its final form. I urge every 8k archcoin holder to sign up to https://archhqchat.slack.com/ by filling up the form here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1r4YnaH0w292zgUuiWkhjAamZPNmJ7J9r3rU0tZ4vdq0/viewform

what can i get if i hold ARCH ?
how long must i hold it ?

You get to sell higher when imminent large market buy-ups comes after sales notification - Think of how multi-pools works.

It is still the early days as the flagship project (Moby) is still being built for mass production and marketing.

[OgNasty]

Each and every "investment" that has promised returns in BTC while seeking profits in fiat has failed.  There are no exceptions.  You do not know what Bitcoin volatility will bring, so promising to "Triple your BTC" immediately leads investors to think that 1) you don't know what you're doing, or 2) you are seeking to scam.  At the very least it shows you are unprepared to accommodate the investors you are seeking to reel in.

[pedrog]

All serious shareholders (holding 8,000 tokens above) gets informed real-time.

IPO was done almost 9 months ago. Which desired funds? IPO funds? The IPO funds are mostly being used for the Moby project. Pumping the coin? There are no pumps, only revenue sharing when income comes in. However, you can choose by end of 2015 to convert to traditional shares.

There are over 100 shareholders with the largest holdings. How is that unfair when some companies only have less than 10 shareholders? ArchVentures has the most distributed number of shares in the cryptospace, unlike others which clearly can control market price.

Sorry I didn't read it well, I thought you were now trying to raise the 150k euros.

ArchVentures is required to put up €150,000 as show money for the grant. The company will use the funds raised during the initial offering of ArchVentures last year.

What I meant is, if you have 250 bitcoins to distribute you are not going to distribute them equally between shareholders, you will use those bitcoins to pump archcoin, that doesn't look very good, people that for some reason cannot be online in that period of time cannot profit.

And for someone to 'collect their dividends' they have to sell their holdings, am I missing something?

Like OgNasty pointed out, bitcoin/fiat is always a huge factor to take into consideration.

[Walrusbonzo]

Each and every "investment" that has promised returns in BTC while seeking profits in fiat has failed.  There are no exceptions.  You do not know what Bitcoin volatility will bring, so promising to "Triple your BTC" immediately leads investors to think that 1) you don't know what you're doing, or 2) you are seeking to scam.  At the very least it shows you are unprepared to accommodate the investors you are seeking to reel in.

I think it's quite clear to see here that assuming the products are a success, investing in ARCH now will be profitable in the near/not so distant future. Regardless of the value of BTC in fiat.

I don't think andreibi said "immediately" anywhere.

[OgNasty]

Each and every "investment" that has promised returns in BTC while seeking profits in fiat has failed.  There are no exceptions.  You do not know what Bitcoin volatility will bring, so promising to "Triple your BTC" immediately leads investors to think that 1) you don't know what you're doing, or 2) you are seeking to scam.  At the very least it shows you are unprepared to accommodate the investors you are seeking to reel in.

I think it's quite clear to see here that assuming the products are a success, investing in ARCH now will be profitable in the near/not so distant future. Regardless of the value of BTC in fiat.

I don't think andreibi said "immediately" anywhere.

If I promise I will give you a billion dollars, the fact it won't be done immediately doesn't make me any more equipped to give you a billion dollars. The OP started his pitch with a promise that no fiat business can make. Therefore he...read my above statement.

[TenaciousC]

Each and every "investment" that has promised returns in BTC while seeking profits in fiat has failed.  There are no exceptions.  You do not know what Bitcoin volatility will bring, so promising to "Triple your BTC" immediately leads investors to think that 1) you don't know what you're doing, or 2) you are seeking to scam.  At the very least it shows you are unprepared to accommodate the investors you are seeking to reel in.

I think it's quite clear to see here that assuming the products are a success, investing in ARCH now will be profitable in the near/not so distant future. Regardless of the value of BTC in fiat.

I don't think andreibi said "immediately" anywhere.

If I promise I will give you a billion dollars, the fact it won't be done immediately doesn't make me any more equipped to give you a billion dollars. The OP started his pitch with a promise that no fiat business can make. Therefore he...read my above statement.

Claiming a coin x will be at certain price at certain amount of time, or BTC will be at x value at certain time is impossible imho.

But what I understood from arch is that this BTC price fluctuations are actually having 0 impact to the price of the Arch coins ( arch Tokens, what's in a name ).

Let's say one Moby cost around 25k EUR, when it gets sold and is payed for 50% of this money is flowing back to arch market as the company buys back a part of its shares. Whether the price of BTC is 500$ or 250$ doesn't actually matter at that point, as the 12,5k Euro buyback is a buyback from fiat to ARch.

For me the decision to invest in arch was actually made quite easily, I looked at market cap, looked at arch price at moment of entry, calculated where the price most likely would end up if they would be able to sell some of these Moby's and it was very clear to me at that point I wanted to give this project a try. So far it has already exceeded my expectations and I've got the feeling it's gonna continue that trend for quite a while as they didn't even start the media and kickstarter campaigns yet (+ possible EU2020 funds coming in)

But hey, these are just my personal opinions, everyone should make his own calculations and risk assessments before investing hard earned (or easy earned) money

[andreibi]

Each and every "investment" that has promised returns in BTC while seeking profits in fiat has failed.  There are no exceptions.  You do not know what Bitcoin volatility will bring, so promising to "Triple your BTC" immediately leads investors to think that 1) you don't know what you're doing, or 2) you are seeking to scam.  At the very least it shows you are unprepared to accommodate the investors you are seeking to reel in.

No exceptions...Such a sweeping statement there when every thread in this section seeks only to cannibalize BTC from each other (mining, trading, and gambling). Arch doesn't actually need Bitcoin-based investors. The company already have non-crypto core investors and is currently working on getting funds from the German government through its funding program. Arch will use the extra funding to build large-scale production lines.

FYI, Arch price has already risen 23x. Many of the earliest investors are very happy and the Moby project is yet to start selling. Anyway, according to a co-holder, the title sounded HYIP to the highly sensitive. So, I changed it to reflect what Arch aims to be.

What I meant is, if you have 250 bitcoins to distribute you are not going to distribute them equally between shareholders, you will use those bitcoins to pump archcoin, that doesn't look very good, people that for some reason cannot be online in that period of time cannot profit.

And for someone to 'collect their dividends' they have to sell their holdings, am I missing something?

Like OgNasty pointed out, bitcoin/fiat is always a huge factor to take into consideration.

I'm sure you've heard of the multipool system where the pools regularly buy the coin to build buy pressure. Constant and consistent sales will ensure that the price will not downtrend long-term. You can buy at any price level before equilibrium and still sell in profit. Anyway, this mechanism is a workaround to the legalities of crypto-securities, which you know is close to non-existent.

In any case, this policy of buybacks is not etched in stone. Holders can decide if it doesn't work. If crypto-tokens don't work for you, you can exchange them to traditional shares and receive annual dividends like typical companies if an opportunity arises.

[hendra147]

what can i get if i hold ARCH ?
how long must i hold it ?

You get to sell higher when imminent large market buy-ups comes after sales notification - Think of how multi-pools works.

It is still the early days as the flagship project (Moby) is still being built for mass production and marketing. You can hold it until it's converted to corporate shares or hold forever as its value increases. It's up to you.

just notification iam not get any dividen ?
do you know about ambercoin ?
we can get some deviden in 1month/1year and that fiat (with BTC estimates)

[mauriek]

what can i get if i hold ARCH ?
how long must i hold it ?

You get to sell higher when imminent large market buy-ups comes after sales notification - Think of how multi-pools works.

It is still the early days as the flagship project (Moby) is still being built for mass production and marketing. You can hold it until it's converted to corporate shares or hold forever as its value increases. It's up to you.

just notification iam not get any dividen ?
do you know about ambercoin ?
we can get some deviden in 1month/1year and that fiat (with BTC estimates)

I invest in both Arch and Ambercoin, since i'm a supporter of future development of decentralized venture/company idea.

In my opinion you can't compare them, the difference is to huge to start comparing them, While Arch are the closest thing to decentralized company platform available in cryptosphere, Ambercoin still not making any effort to make the venture and company more professional, Amber didn't even have proper channel of communication from shareholders with the company beside bitcointalk thread, there are also no offer of shares ownership format beside property acknowledgment letter from the company which is not suitable form of company shares ownership, and they didn't even register the company correctly according to UK law to start issuing shares, the company operator/staffs also still hiding their identity.

The only thing they offer is quarterly dividend pay out in fiat/btc, i will hold my investment in Amber as i still have hopes in the idea and the company may change their approach and proceeding in the future, however comparing Arch and Amber is impossible at the moment since Arch already few level above in term of legality, communication, the company program and planning, funding, etc

[andreibi]

what can i get if i hold ARCH ?
how long must i hold it ?

You get to sell higher when imminent large market buy-ups comes after sales notification - Think of how multi-pools works.

It is still the early days as the flagship project (Moby) is still being built for mass production and marketing. You can hold it until it's converted to corporate shares or hold forever as its value increases. It's up to you.

just notification iam not get any dividen ?
do you know about ambercoin ?
we can get some deviden in 1month/1year and that fiat (with BTC estimates)

hendra147, you can get dividends. But not now since the company has yet to generate income from sales and plans to be publicly-listed are in the works - also dividend distribution from traditional shares will most likely happen after an annual stockholder's meeting or a sales report.

Let's consider ArchVentures Sa has no bitcoin investment or crypto aspect. At this phase of the business, it is still a privately-owned company and it is still building its main products. So there's no revenue coming in yet until the first sales reports. At the end of a fiscal year (annual company report), every private stockholder gets their dividend.

So, the current price of its shares (represented by the token) are purely speculative and heavily dependent on market sentiment.

Once the main product is out, the shares will most likely be more expensive.

[andreibi]

Moderators,





This is not an altcoin.

[andreibi]

Poor ArchVentures.

This thread used to be here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=78.0 and moved here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0 and then announcements? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0

ArchVentures is like Overstock with its cryptobonds or crypto securities.

[ktfutura]

Moderators,





This is not an altcoin.

My condolences. I am sorry for your loss.

[andreibi]

Condolences?