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June 01, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
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Introducing....



https://www.PvPDice.com

A lot of you may remember us from our pre-launch competition advertised in the games & rounds section (otherwise found here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066210.0)

Well it brings us great pleasure (and many sleepless nights) to officially launch PvPDice to the public.

How do we make money?
We charge a 0.01% fee (AKA $1 for every $1,000) for Deposits & Withdraws, We DO NOT charge any fees for the actual bets themselves, this means you can bet an unlimited amount of times and only be charged for what you withdraw at the end.

How do I play?
Please take a moment to watch this quick video on how to deposit & play.




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We understand that there will be many questions (as there has been in the past) so please take a moment to read through the FAQs and if anything needs clarification or you require assistance then by all means do not hesitate to ask.

FAQ:
What is PvPDice?
PvPDice is a Player Vs Player Bitcoin betting game, we are consisted of 2 games at the moment with a third in development; they are 'Dicing' and 'Poker'

How do I know I'm not being cheated?
PvPDice has implemented a popular concept among Bitcoin betting games called 'Provably Fair', probably fair allows a player to validate the fairness of their bet. Your bets are always completely unpredictable as there are several parameters which are used to reach the result of your game result which are all impossible for us to predict which by contrast makes it impossible for us or anyone else to cheat.

You can find out more about the 'Probably Fair' concept by scrolling to the bottom of PvPdice.com and clicking 'Probably Fair', here we will show you how our provably fair system works and also display an example of how you can use it yourself.

How do I deposit?
You may deposit by clicking the "Deposit" button on the right hand side of the screen next to "Invite User", this button is only available on the 'DICE' & 'POKER' page. Once you click the button a wallet address will appear; simply deposit your funds to the selected address and your account will be credited automatically. Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all deposits by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

How do I withdraw?
You may withdraw by clicking the "CashOut" button located directly under the 'Deposit' button. To CashOut you must provide a valid wallet address & amount of BTC you wish to Withdraw. Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

What currencies do you currently accept?
For the time being we are only accepting Bitcoin, we do not have any future plans to integrate other virtual currencies.

Why did you create PvPDice?
PvPDice.com was created as a proof of concept for a much larger business model, we are interested in seeing how the market responds to a 0% house edge casino. PvPDice.com is about playing a game of chance; we define this by one player having an equal chance of beating another player. This eliminates the misconstrued concept that a 1% house edge is unlikely to hit them and therefore a false sense of security is felt by the bettor enabling them to continue placing bets with the hope of winning on the long run.

What is the maximum bet?
Although technically we are not taking bets as a house; we have implemented a maximum bet of 10BTC between players.

What if I don't trust PvPDice with my money?
We have monitored the market for a while and have unfortunately witnessed many scams by seemingly trustworthy people in the Bitcoin gambling community; it's for this reason we completely understand how some players may be sceptical about depositing their funds directly with PvPDice.com. To address this issue we are giving players the opportunity to nominate their own 'Private Banker'.

The private banker will be a third party individual deemed trustworthy by two players wishing to bet against each other; this player will have complete control of your funds and be tasked with the responsibility of paying the victor their spoils. Players who choose to take the route of a private banker will not be allowed to make bets against the public & will not be available in the global directory, only against one other individual who is also using the same banker.

Enjoy!


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When you sign up you will notice it only asks for your username & e-mail, this is because the password is automatically generated and sent to your e-mail address; you may change the password in your profile settings (screenshots below)





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June 01, 2015, 04:14:33 PM
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if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?

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June 01, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
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if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?

i think they will take some fee from winning bets like 1% or maybe 2% OP can tell us better about this how much fee they will charge from winning bet, is there option to put bet against the house edge or not?
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June 01, 2015, 04:34:56 PM
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I like the concept. always happy to see new ways to play dice. i signed up and will check it out today




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Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then

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June 01, 2015, 05:09:56 PM
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Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then

Yap, I think faucet is a good thing to test out the site. But since this is pvp games I worry that it can be abused easily, user can create 2 or more accounts and just play against himself. So, OP need to think how to prevent such kind of condition if he plan to add a faucet.
Anyway, good luck for this site..And thanks for the great pre-launch promotion last week.

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June 02, 2015, 12:04:09 AM
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I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?

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June 02, 2015, 12:11:11 AM
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Love the concept and the fresh design, as soon as you guys get some more users, i'll deposit and play, there is no-one online bet me atm


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June 02, 2015, 12:32:14 AM
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Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then

Players are not playing against the house so i guess faucet is not needed or players will only abuse it doing faucet and lose it all to his/her main account then withdraw when a user reached the minimum withdrawal limit

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How many confirmations needed for deposit accept, i think charge for deposit not reasonable. If for withdrawal no problem
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June 02, 2015, 01:12:47 PM
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Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then
Unfortunately the profit margin is incredibly small so introducing a faucet is not feasible.

if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?

i think they will take some fee from winning bets like 1% or maybe 2% OP can tell us better about this how much fee they will charge from winning bet, is there option to put bet against the house edge or not?
Fees are deducted ONLY from deposits and withdrawals, you can bet as much as you want without a fee.

The fee for both is 0.001%

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I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.

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To obtain the result, you need four things:

1) BetID: You can obtain this from your "My Bets" column.

2) No. of challenges: Number of challenges issued to opponent.

3) Total Bets: This is the total PVP games played by user, this can be obtained from the "Profile Settings" page on the top left corner of the page. Please note this must be your total bets at the time of the game; not to be confused with your current Total Bets.

4) SEED: This is automatically generated by the server, although you may change it whenever you like; found on the top left corner of the page next to the logout button.


Steps to obtain a user's roll number:

1) Combine (1#2#3#4) in sequence.

I don't understand your provably fair method at all. It seems the 4 variables to calculate the roll outcome are known to the player in advance. This would mean the player can generate their own results in advance and therefor cheat.

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June 02, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
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I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.
well yeah 0 house edge sounds really nice though there are really small amount of pvp players i think that will be the problem

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I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?

The fee for both is 0.001%

As noted the site says: $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit. That is 0.1% not 0.001%. So which one is it? Just a fee on wagered/profit amount would be better IMO.

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I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.
i have never seen one too but they have some fees what means casino will still get a profit so we can call that fee a small house edge

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To obtain the result, you need four things:

1) BetID: You can obtain this from your "My Bets" column.

2) No. of challenges: Number of challenges issued to opponent.

3) Total Bets: This is the total PVP games played by user, this can be obtained from the "Profile Settings" page on the top left corner of the page. Please note this must be your total bets at the time of the game; not to be confused with your current Total Bets.

4) SEED: This is automatically generated by the server, although you may change it whenever you like; found on the top left corner of the page next to the logout button.


Steps to obtain a user's roll number:

1) Combine (1#2#3#4) in sequence.

I don't understand your provably fair method at all. It seems the 4 variables to calculate the roll outcome are known to the player in advance. This would mean the player can generate their own results in advance and therefor cheat.
BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.

I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?

The fee for both is 0.001%

As noted the site says: $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit. That is 0.1% not 0.001%. So which one is it? Just a fee on wagered/profit amount would be better IMO.
0.01% of $1,000 is $10

The idea was to encourage more betting on a platform far more fair than others, a true game of chance if you will - we always knew the community wouldn't adopt it as quickly as other games such as SatoshiDice, JustDice or PrimeDice which is another reason the fees are so low.

The planning of this project has gone into immense depth and believe it or not this whole launch is more of a proof of concept than a claim to profit, if it fails the plan was to always scrap it and move on to other ventures (Bitcoin related) however if it succeeds then we will take it to the next level (involving a much larger level of commitment from the team and financial investment).

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BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.
Are you sure? So this isn't the bet ID that increases just with 1? If so do we get a hash of this in advance? TBH the whole implementation seems strange, I would assume PvP just works like this:

- Player 1 makes random seed that is long enough to not be bruteforced (is made by default randomly in browser - not on server.) Sends hash to site (not the actual seed yet!) together with amount, Hi/Lo choice.
- Player 2 does the same.
- Both players see each others hash and have few seconds to note it down.
- Both players send the actual seeds to server (only now!) and result is calculated just based on these seeds together.

This way neither the players or site knows the outcome in advance, even if the site + one of the players collude together (eg house cheating by faking a player.)

0.01% of $1,000 is $10
Uhm no. You might be confused with the difference in showing fractional numbers with percentage vs decimals.

amount = fraction by using percentage = simple fraction (fraction by using decimals)
$1,000 = 100% = 1/1 (1)
$100 = 10% = 1/10 (0.1)
$10 = 1% = 1/100 (0.01)
$1 = 0.1% = 1/1000 (0.001)
$0.1 = 0.01% = 1/10000 (0.0001)
$0.01 = 0.001% = 1/100000 (0.00001)
$0.001 = 0.0001% = 1/1000000 (0.000001)

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June 03, 2015, 09:05:14 AM
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BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.
Are you sure? So this isn't the bet ID that increases just with 1? If so do we get a hash of this in advance? TBH the whole implementation seems strange, I would assume PvP just works like this:

- Player 1 makes random seed that is long enough to not be bruteforced (is made by default randomly in browser - not on server.) Sends hash to site (not the actual seed yet!) together with amount, Hi/Lo choice.
- Player 2 does the same.
- Both players see each others hash and have few seconds to note it down.
- Both players send the actual seeds to server (only now!) and result is calculated just based on these seeds together.

This way neither the players or site knows the outcome in advance, even if the site + one of the players collude together (eg house cheating by faking a player.)

0.01% of $1,000 is $10
Uhm no. You might be confused with the difference in showing fractional numbers with percentage vs decimals.

amount = fraction by using percentage = simple fraction (fraction by using decimals)
$1,000 = 100% = 1/1 (1)
$100 = 10% = 1/10 (0.1)
$10 = 1% = 1/100 (0.01)
$1 = 0.1% = 1/1000 (0.001)
$0.1 = 0.01% = 1/10000 (0.0001)
$0.01 = 0.001% = 1/100000 (0.00001)
$0.001 = 0.0001% = 1/1000000 (0.000001)
Yep, seems you're correct.

Funny, one of the devs said this originally during the concept planning and everyone else shut him down; he's feeling pretty big headed right now lmao.

Changing this now, thanks Nico.

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