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June 01, 2015, 03:22:37 PM
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In a ground mission in eastern Syria last weekend, US special forces killed Abu Sayyaf, a man they described as playing a key role in Islamic State's oil and gas operations.
The American commandos were quickly engaged in a firefight, during which Abu Sayyaf was killed. But their original goal was to capture and interrogate him, apparently in an effort to improve their understanding of how IS works.
It raised the question of how much is known about the structure of an organisation that rapidly overran large parts of Syria and Iraq last year, and has been able to hold onto much of that territory despite months of air strikes by a US-led coalition.
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It raised the question of how much is known about the structure of an organisation that rapidly overran large parts of Syria and Iraq last year, and has been able to hold onto much of that territory despite months of air strikes by a US-led coalition.

Anyone with a minimum IQ would be able to answer that question. The ISIS has managed to expand, as their recruitment rate outperforms their casualty / death rate. For every 10 ISIS terrorists killed by the Syrian Army and the NATO airstrikes, 100 more join the organization, traveling through Turkey from Europe and the Middle East.
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June 01, 2015, 03:45:38 PM
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In a ground mission in eastern Syria last weekend, US special forces killed Abu Sayyaf, a man they described as playing a key role in Islamic State's oil and gas operations.
The American commandos were quickly engaged in a firefight, during which Abu Sayyaf was killed. But their original goal was to capture and interrogate him, apparently in an effort to improve their understanding of how IS works.
It raised the question of how much is known about the structure of an organisation that rapidly overran large parts of Syria and Iraq last year, and has been able to hold onto much of that territory despite months of air strikes by a US-led coalition.

I'm not sure Abu Sayyaf was killed by US forces. Maybe he did suicide, so the secret of ISIS still be kept and couldn't be revealed.
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June 01, 2015, 04:02:45 PM
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This is just starting to leak out. My understanding is that there are three entities under Baghdadi. A Shura counsel and two deputies. Under those are counsels for finance, media, security, and others. There is also the Hisbah, which are like a religious police, but I'm not sure where they fall on the chart. Perhaps part of the Sharia courts? 

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June 01, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
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It raised the question of how much is known about the structure of an organisation that rapidly overran large parts of Syria and Iraq last year, and has been able to hold onto much of that territory despite months of air strikes by a US-led coalition.

Anyone with a minimum IQ would be able to answer that question. The ISIS has managed to expand, as their recruitment rate outperforms their casualty / death rate. For every 10 ISIS terrorists killed by the Syrian Army and the NATO airstrikes, 100 more join the organization, traveling through Turkey from Europe and the Middle East.

'ISIS expands as recruitment rate outperforms casualty rate.' Somehow I think they're looking for a little more than such a superficial and obvious explanation. And I highly doubt their recruitment:attrition ratio is 10:1.


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June 01, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?

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June 01, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?

They can't go anywhere again now, soon they will run from Iraq and they will use Syria as their last defense.

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Shiite! Wanna make it work? Figured out long time past from Robert A. Hienlien's book, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress:
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“As to basic structure, a revolution starts as a conspiracy therefore structure is small, secret, and organized as to minimize damage by betrayal—since there always are betrayals. One solution is the cell system and so far nothing better has been invented.

 “Much theorizing has gone into optimum cell size. I think that history shows that a cell of three is best—more than three can’t agree on when to have dinner, much less when to strike. Manuel, you belong to a large family; do you vote on when to have dinner?”

 “Bog, no! Mum decides.”

 “Ah.” Prof took a pad from his pouch, began to sketch. “Here is a cells-of-three tree. If I were planning to take over Luna. I would start with us three. One would be opted as chairman. We wouldn’t vote; choice would be obvious—or we aren’t the right three. We would know the next nine people, three cells. . . but each cell would know only one of us.”

 “Looks like computer diagram—a ternary logic.”

 “Does it really? At the next level there are two ways of linking: This comrade, second level, knows his cell leader, his two cellmates, and on the third level he knows the three in his subcell—he may or may not know his cellmates’ subcells. One method doubles security, the other doubles speed—of repair if security is penetrated. Let’s say he does not know his cellmates’ subcells—Manuel, how many can he betray? Don’t say he won’t; today they can brainwash any person, and starch and iron and use him. How many?”

 “Six,” I answered. “His boss, two cellmates, three in sub-cell.”

 “Seven,” Prof corrected, “he betrays himself, too. Which leaves seven broken links on three levels to repair. How?”

 “I don’t see how it can be,” objected Wyoh. “You’ve got them so split up it falls to pieces.”

 “Manuel? An exercise for the student.”

 “Well . . . blokes down here have to have way to send message up three levels. Don’t have to know who, just have to know where.”

 “Precisely!”

 “But, Prof,” I went on, “there’s a better way to rig it.”

 “Really? Many revolutionary theorists have hammered this out, Manuel. I have such confidence in them that I’ll offer you a wager—at, say, ten to one.”

 “Ought to take your money. Take same cells, arrange in open pyramid of tetrahedrons. Where vertices are in common, each bloke knows one in adjoining cell—knows how to send message to him, that’s all he needs. Communications never break down because they run sideways as well as up and down. Something like a neural net. It’s why you can knock a hole in a man’s head, take chunk of brain out, and not damage thinking much. Excess capacity, messages shunt around. He loses what was destroyed but goes on functioning.”

 “Manuel,” Prof said doubtfully, “could you draw a picture? It sounds good—but it’s so contrary to orthodox doctrine that I need to see it.”

 “Well. . . could do better with stereo drafting machine. I’ll try.” (Anybody who thinks it’s easy to sketch one hundred twenty-one tetrahedrons, a five-level open pyramid, clear enough to show relationships is invited to try!)

 Presently I said, “Look at base sketch. Each vertex of each triangle shares self with zero, one, or two other triangles. Where shares one, that’s its link, one direction or both—but one is enough for a multiple-redundant communication net. On corners, where sharing is zero, it jumps to right to next corner. Where sharing is double, choice is again right-handed.

 “Now work it with people. Take fourth level, D-for-dog. This vertex is comrade Dan. No, let’s go down one to show three levels of communication knocked out—level E-for-easy and pick Comrade Egbert.

 “Egbert works under Donald, has cellmates Edward and Elmer, and has three under him, Frank, Fred, and Fatso . . . but knows how to send message to Ezra on his own level but not in his cell. He doesn’t know Ezra’s name, face, address, or anything—but has a way, phone number probably, to reach Ezra in emergency.

 “Now watch it work. Casimir, level three, finks out and betrays Charlie and Cox in his cell, Baker above him, and Donald, Dan, and Dick in subcell—which isolates Egbert, Edward, and Elmer. and everybody under them.

 “All three report it—redundancy, necessary to any communication system—but follow Egbert’s yell for help. He calls Ezra. But Ezra is under Charlie and is isolated, too. No matter, Ezra relays both messages through his safety link, Edmund. By bad luck Edmund is under Cox, so he also passes it laterally, through Enwright. . . and that gets it past burned-out part and it goes up through Dover, Chambers, and Beeswax, to Adam, front office.. . who replies down other side of pyramid, with lateral pass on E-for-easy level from Esther to Egbert and on to Ezra and Edmund. These two messages, up and down, not only get through at once but in way they get through, they define to home office exactly how much damage has been done and where. Organization not only keeps functioning but starts repairing self at once.”

 Wyoh was tracing out lines, convincing herself it would work—which it would, was “idiot” circuit. Let Mike study a few milliseconds, and could produce a better, safer, more foolproof hookup. And probably—certainly—ways to avoid betrayal while speeding up routings. But I’m not a computer.

 Prof was staring with blank expression. “What’s trouble?” I said. “It’ll work; this is my pidgin.”

 “Manuel my b—Excuse me: Señor O’Kelly. . . will you head this revolution?”

 “Me? Great Bog, nyet! I’m no lost-cause martyr. Just talking about circuits.”

 Wyoh looked up. “Mannie,” she said soberly, “you’re opted. It’s settled.”

 Did like hell settle it.

 Prof said, “Manuel, don’t be hasty. Here we are, three, the perfect number, with a variety of talents and experience. Beauty, age, and mature male drive—“

 “I don’t have any drive!”

 “Please, Manuel. Let us think in the widest terms before attempting decisions. And to facilitate such, may I ask if this hostel stocks potables? I have a few florins I could put into the stream of trade.”

 Was most sensible word heard in an hour. “Stilichnaya vodka?”

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If you look closely at the last line, and compare it with a little of the rest of the quote, and then go on to compare it with the rest of the book, you will see that the whole thing is based on a basic 3-cell structure... The United States, Islam and Russia.

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June 01, 2015, 05:00:28 PM
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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?

Israel will be the ultimate target.
They will aim to establish a Caliphate in other regions, at first. A lot of people in the Middle East have been drawn to their ideology.

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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?
Israel will be the ultimate target.
They will aim to establish a Caliphate in other regions, at first. A lot of people in the Middle East have been drawn to their ideology.

Israel is one of the most trusted allies of ISIS. The Israelis even bombed Syrian Army targets in 2014, so that the ISIS could occupy Eastern Golan. Just check the Israeli media sources such as Ynet News and Jerusalem Post. Check the comments in any of the Syria-related topics. 90% of the Israelis support the ISIS, in its fight against Assad.
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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?
Israel will be the ultimate target.
They will aim to establish a Caliphate in other regions, at first. A lot of people in the Middle East have been drawn to their ideology.

Israel is one of the most trusted allies of ISIS. The Israelis even bombed Syrian Army targets in 2014, so that the ISIS could occupy Eastern Golan. Just check the Israeli media sources such as Ynet News and Jerusalem Post. Check the comments in any of the Syria-related topics. 90% of the Israelis support the ISIS, in its fight against Assad.

And the Americans supported Bin Laden in the 80's against the Soviets, etc. etc. These short-sighted objectives always have a way of biting you in the ass. I'm for the school of thought that holds to not arming violent groups of people in the first place. I don't know that Israel is doing that for certain, but I know the US still is. Very recent history has shown this to be a big mistake, but we never learn from it.


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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?
Israel will be the ultimate target.
They will aim to establish a Caliphate in other regions, at first. A lot of people in the Middle East have been drawn to their ideology.

Israel is one of the most trusted allies of ISIS. The Israelis even bombed Syrian Army targets in 2014, so that the ISIS could occupy Eastern Golan. Just check the Israeli media sources such as Ynet News and Jerusalem Post. Check the comments in any of the Syria-related topics. 90% of the Israelis support the ISIS, in its fight against Assad.

And the Americans supported Bin Laden in the 80's against the Soviets, etc. etc. These short-sighted objectives always have a way of biting you in the ass. I'm for the school of thought that holds to not arming violent groups of people in the first place. I don't know that Israel is doing that for certain, but I know the US still is. Very recent history has shown this to be a big mistake, but we never learn from it.
US foreign policy and intelligence largely seems to be used for the benefit of the Israelies. The latest regimes here haven't seemed to care for what americans want nor what is in their best interest. And yep, just like aiding and abetting Bin Laden back in the 80s, we're doing it all over again by letting ISIS get their hands on these weapons and helping the build their team by doing these ruses of air attacks that do little besides kill innocents and then all the males in each one of the dead's extended family are eager to join.
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June 04, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
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I wonder when Islamic State will take control of all Syria and Iraq? 1 or 2 years possible? Where they will go after that? Jordan? Lebanon? Quwait? Or maybe Israel?

They can't go anywhere again now, soon they will run from Iraq and they will use Syria as their last defense.


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June 04, 2015, 01:56:24 AM
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They can't go anywhere again now, soon they will run from Iraq and they will use Syria as their last defense.

What load of BS? The Islamic state is capturing city after city in Iraq, and is clearly on the advance. In Syria, the government forces are crumbling under the onslaught from the ISIS. And even outside the region, they are slowly expanding their presence. In Libya and Yemen, they control sizable chunks of territory. And they are growing in Afghanistan, Nigeria.etc.
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June 04, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
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Yes, they're organized. They have tax collectors and they've set up markets for selling young women as slaves, but they still have to face a modern army of professional soldiers. Saddam Hussein had a real army, with people willing to fight. I was told last year by a commander this isn't the case anymore in Irak.
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June 04, 2015, 05:04:46 PM
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They can't go anywhere again now, soon they will run from Iraq and they will use Syria as their last defense.

What load of BS? The Islamic state is capturing city after city in Iraq, and is clearly on the advance. In Syria, the government forces are crumbling under the onslaught from the ISIS. And even outside the region, they are slowly expanding their presence. In Libya and Yemen, they control sizable chunks of territory. And they are growing in Afghanistan, Nigeria.etc.

I have been reading a book about the Islamic conquests of the 7th. century. It really was a shocking thing at the time. A few Arab tribesmen from the desert followed Muhammad against much larger and better trained armies and won. Battle after battle Islam spread out at an alarming rate. Sometimes fighting, sometimes welcomed, the Islamic army grew in number and sophistication as they captured weapons and collected taxes. By the time Mohamed died they were established enough to keep expanding.
The people in DAESH know this story well and I'm sure they think it's all happening again. They surely believe that their success is a sign of God's favor. But I wonder what others in the region think. Generally it's cool to be Christian or a Jew in the Mid-East. What is not understood is Atheism. That is because almost everyone there is superstitious and interpret everything as directed by one God or another.  My concern is about a tipping point. A point when non-supporters of DAESH join in simply because it's God's will. If that happens then we really need to start thinking of them as a nation state rather than a terror group. It is possible that a Caliphate is being established that could survive. I hope not, but I don't know anymore.

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