Illegal Migrant Crisis in Mediterraean

[countryfree]

The quota system for refugees has received more critics than supporters. I don't think it will be implemented. So the immigrants will remain free to move wherever they want within the Shenghen zone, just like today. They may want to set up in Calais where they get free meals and some medical care.

[bryant.coleman]

I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?

Even if there are a few ISIS militants among the refugees, how they are going to launch the attacks? If they are sent to refugee camps, then their freedom of movement might be restricted. And they will be under constant surveillance 24x7. I don't think that any of them will be able to procure weapons, to launch an attack against the civilian or military installations.

[BLKBITZ]

Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

[bryant.coleman]

Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

Exactly. They are not refugees or asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. In normal cases, we don't call someone a refugee, if he migrates to get a better livelihood. Most of the countries in the Sub-Saharan Africa are under military dictatorships. In some cases, the democratically elected government was toppled, with help from the United States and its NATO allies (a prime example is the American and French supported military coup in Burkina Faso, which ended in the assassination of Thomas Sankara).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/burkina-fasos-revolutionary-hero-thomas-sankara-to-be-exhumed

[BLKBITZ]

Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

They are illegal migrants instead of coming over here and Turning our country into theirs they should try to fix their shithole first.

Exactly. They are not refugees or asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. In normal cases, we don't call someone a refugee, if he migrates to get a better livelihood. Most of the countries in the Sub-Saharan Africa are under military dictatorships. In some cases, the democratically elected government was toppled, with help from the United States and its NATO allies (a prime example is the American and French supported military coup in Burkina Faso, which ended in the assassination of Thomas Sankara).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/burkina-fasos-revolutionary-hero-thomas-sankara-to-be-exhumed

I am not one for international intervention in other nations affairs. but I also believe they should try to make there country better then make it bad for all of us.

[bryant.coleman]

I am not one for international intervention in other nations affairs. but I also believe they should try to make there country better then make it bad for all of us.

Exactly. This type of immigration can be bad for both the sides. The host nations (such as Italy, Malta and Greece) will have to spend billions of USD in providing welfare payments to these people. And the source nations (such as Gambia and Senegal) will lose a large part of its skilled and educated population, making it even difficult to stage an economic recovery.

[sdp]

Who is paying for them to emigrate from their respective countries?
     

Okay, you see them.  All these obviously foreign street vendors, and all of the same country.  All these obviously foreign prostitutes and all from the same country...  It is not likely Random.

This has happened before.  With illegal slaves coming as legal immigrants into countries where slavery is illegal and are forced to work for free as whatever the mafia is demanding.

sdp

[Okurkabinladin]

Calling them illegal migrants instead of asylum seekers /refugees removes any kind of guilt associated with turning them back. That said each country should be free to decide its own asylum / immigration policies.

There is no place for "guilt", when deciding on issues of social welfare of entire state and national security.

Don't worry, the UK will take them all. There are lots of cheap empty houses, the NHS is a long way from breaking point and 600'000 empty job positions, so they wouldn't need to live a life of crime.

People, who live in tents in harbor of Calais are not waiting to get into UK to work, brother - they could already do that in Germany, France or Switzerland   those countries just dont have your welfare system or language of communication, that is all. Your argument about crime is arguable hilarious. They already broke the law, when entering EU. They already are criminals colaborating with smugglers.

I wonder how many terrorists ISIS have hidden amongst the refugees?

Even if there are a few ISIS militants among the refugees, how they are going to launch the attacks? If they are sent to refugee camps, then their freedom of movement might be restricted. And they will be under constant surveillance 24x7. I don't think that any of them will be able to procure weapons, to launch an attack against the civilian or military installations.

60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

[Okurkabinladin]

Who is paying for them to emigrate from their respective countries?
    

Okay, you see them.  All these obviously foreign street vendors, and all of the same country.  All these obviously foreign prostitutes and all from the same country...  It is not likely Random.

This has happened before.  With illegal slaves coming as legal immigrants into countries where slavery is illegal and are forced to work for free as whatever the mafia is demanding.

sdp

SDP, good point. Italian mafia is cooperating with Italy´s politicians according to latest reports. "Refugee crisis" is now more profitable than drug trade. State (tax payer) pays 50 dollars per day for every refuge. 5% of those dollars (every day, per every refugee) end up in pocket of aforementioned "gentlemen".

[bryant.coleman]

60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

Well, that is just poor handling of the situation by the European Union. I still believe that it will be difficult for these people, to obtain arms and ammunition to conduct an attack on European targets. That said, a much more possible scenario is some of these new ISIS members joining the already existing Jihadi cells in Europe.

[HeroCat]

UK must take them all. London is enough large and multicultural city, all people know this. So UK can be the decision 

[Fabrizio89]

Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

[bryant.coleman]

Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

Italy is not a very migrant-friendly nation. Some of the migrants might find work in the Italian wineyards and the orchards. But the vast majority will travel further North (to Germany) or East-wards (to the United Kingdom, via France). A significant portion will end up in London and the other British cities.

[Okurkabinladin]

60% of migrants detented in Italy already left and or fled camps, Grenzpolizei of Germany isnt capable of catching those hundreds of thousands all again. So your argument is null. Nobody really knows now, how many are inside Europe already, where they currently reside and what are their aims. There is no control as the borders of EU are nonfunctional. Some may be ISIS fighters, others may have brought ebola or AIDS, we simply dont know.

Well, that is just poor handling of the situation by the European Union. I still believe that it will be difficult for these people, to obtain arms and ammunition to conduct an attack on European targets. That said, a much more possible scenario is some of these new ISIS members joining the already existing Jihadi cells in Europe.

I did not suggest they will attack in human waves, WW1 style   as many liberal politicians currently think about granting voting rights to all foreigners, they wont need to initially. Europe will be crushed anyway.

I am not sure, you understand, that war doesnt have to be waged by weapons, its simply process during which you want the other party to accept your will.

I do not see those economic migrants as enemies by the way. They are simply tool in the hands of western upper class, that serves to curb the rights of natives. Tactics, that was before also used in Africa and Americas for financial gain during the process known as colonization.

It is not plausible anymore to think, that this is merely "poor handling" of situation by officials. Situation has been going on for years like this, too many people and money are involved for it to be all purely coincidental.

[Okurkabinladin]

Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

Well, what kind of help do you need, Fabrizio? WHY did you take them on your soil in the first place?! Even if east Europeans (except for bolshevik Swedes, westerners are tired of all these people already) take in one million of your gifts every year it wont change a damn thing. There 80 million people born into poor families every year in the third world. Can you make the math? Euro upper class is destroying old continent via barely literate (and often islamic) migrants and your country willingly serves them as a gateway.

[bryant.coleman]

Well, what kind of help do you need, Fabrizio? WHY did you take them on your soil in the first place?

No need to blame the Italians. They are forced to accept the Sub Saharans by the orders of the European Union. Italy is no longer a sovereign nation. For example, the decision on what to do with the migrants is taken by the European Union, which Italy does not have the right to oppose. On its part, Italy had a deal with Gaddhafi's Libya on how to handle the illegals. It worked well until 2011, when the Americans decided to invade Libya.

[Fabrizio89]

Yeah it's a mess in Italy we receive like 1000 immigrants every week if not more and we have no mean to feed them, we don't know how to handle the situation and the Europe doesn't help us at all. Entire cities are basically being raided as of now and it's chaos because there are so many policemen used to keep things under control

Well, what kind of help do you need, Fabrizio? WHY did you take them on your soil in the first place?! Even if east Europeans (except for bolshevik Swedes, westerners are tired of all these people already) take in one million of your gifts every year it wont change a damn thing. There 80 million people born into poor families every year in the third world. Can you make the math? Euro upper class is destroying old continent via barely literate (and often islamic) migrants and your country willingly serves them as a gateway.

The only chance we have is to let them die in the sea, don't you get it? The ONU would knock to our doors and fuck us up if we were that egotistic. Italy is part of the Europe and as such it must receive help because it's a problem of everyone not just ours because we are the most near country to those that escape war. You can't just say we are part of a union when it's convenient, or better when Germany wants our money. One day Italy will not be able to handle this anymore and when that happens immigrants twill move to other countries making this problem even worse, just wait for it.

[bryant.coleman]

The only chance we have is to let them die in the sea, don't you get it?

Do you realize that by saving 10 migrants, you are indirectly causing the deaths of 100 more?

It is a chain reaction. If Italy saves, lets say 100,000 Mediterraean migrants and give them refugee status, then another 1 million will try to get the same. And if this one million people are given refugee status, then another 10 million will start their journey from Gambia and Senegal. This is a never-ending process.

[Okurkabinladin]

The only chance we have is to let them die in the sea, don't you get it?

Do you realize that by saving 10 migrants, you are indirectly causing the deaths of 100 more?

It is a chain reaction. If Italy saves, lets say 100,000 Mediterraean migrants and give them refugee status, then another 1 million will try to get the same. And if this one million people are given refugee status, then another 10 million will start their journey from Gambia and Senegal. This is a never-ending process.

Bryant already responded for me.

I still have something to add. I DO BLAME Italians as other western Europeans since they voluntarily keep going on road to hell, now in the process of persuading easterns to join euro Titanic. Fabrizio, you know, that you goverment is doing something counter-productive, even harmful to your countrys future, yet you think about the way to share the problem with others, not about solutions or standing up for yourselves.

Small and poor Hungary can say no, but much larger, much richer Italy already submerged in troubles somehow keeps being submissive (this is also problem of Germany) to imaginary power in Brussels.

Some german priest funnily enough suggested, that since 85% of these "refugees" are young men of military age, european tax payers should pay for their prostitutes to keep them harmless, yet in another german town family of eight was thrown out on street by the administration to free the building for 25 more refugees (as I wrote earlier, towns get more money for "refugees" from tax payers, than their own poor). This is as low, and spineless as it gets.

The way it is now, I am for cancellation of Shengen Treaty and reinstating borders withing Europe. With force if neccessary.

[bryant.coleman]

I still have something to add. I DO BLAME Italians as other western Europeans since they voluntarily keep going on road to hell, now in the process of persuading easterns to join euro Titanic. Fabrizio, you know, that you goverment is doing something counter-productive, even harmful to your countrys future, yet you think about the way to share the problem with others, not about solutions or standing up for yourselves.

Yes. And unlike the other countries such as France and Germany, many of the Italian mafia gangs make significant profits out of this crisis. These mafia organizations (esp. the ‛Ndràngheta of Calabria, Cosa Nostra of Sicily, Camorra of Naples, and Sacra Corona Unita of Bari) take money from the illegals to organize work in Italy, and sometimes they use them to smuggle drugs from Libya to Italy.