An apology...

[dserrano5]

There was an attempt to extort the forum and its staff

FWIW, this mens rea is what counts for me, and I'd put a negative rep now if I didn't consider it to be too late. This is to say, if I had put it at the time, I wouldn't be removing it now.

[CIYAM]

There might have been the appearance of that but in fact there was never any *actual* attempt to do so.

The BTC would not have been so quickly returned to @theymos if my supposed "extortion attempt" was actually serious (when angry sometimes we say all sorts of things that we don't really *mean*).

If you've never had an "I hate you" moment with your wife (or significant other) then I guess you wouldn't understand.

[CanaryInTheMine]

You will find out that a lot of users here are not forgiving unfortunately...

[mashcom]

You indeed deserved a negative trust.

So you think we should remove it? Im still ponding whether I should or not, maybe you can help me with some arguments as to why I should remove the rating or change it to neutral. In the end no one was actually scammed. The forums founds have been returned and apparently have never been at risk, the posts have been edited regardless of the extortion attempt (I still wonder which rule exactly would allow the editing of insults though), CIYAM did apologize. With all that beeing said, Im still not certain it should be removed. There was an attempt to extort the forum and its staff and what sounded to me like a death threat.

No, you should not remove it because there was an attempt to extort the forum and a censure.

If you've never had an "I hate you" moment with your wife (or significant other) then I guess you wouldn't understand.

The private life should be detached from the virtual life on internet.

[TECSHARE]

Obviously he used extremely poor judgement, but when he realized no one else thought what he was doing was a joke he admitted his wrong doing and returned the forum funds. While this doesn't just erase what he did, IMO it does demonstrate his will to make reparations, as well as enough character to own up to his idiotic actions. I think an opportunity for him to redeem himself with time is not unreasonable.

[hilariousandco]

You indeed deserved a negative trust.

So you think we should remove it? Im still ponding whether I should or not, maybe you can help me with some arguments as to why I should remove the rating or change it to neutral. In the end no one was actually scammed. The forums founds have been returned and apparently have never been at risk, the posts have been edited regardless of the extortion attempt (I still wonder which rule exactly would allow the editing of insults though), CIYAM did apologize. With all that beeing said, Im still not certain it should be removed. There was an attempt to extort the forum and its staff and what sounded to me like a death threat.

No, you should not remove it because there was an attempt to extort the forum and a censure.

Sometimes people deserve a second chance as everyone can make a rash decision under pressure. Most of the time a good judge of character is how you try to amend your mistakes. What he did was obviously out of order but was also obviously done out of extreme anger. With that being said, he did the right thing, apologized and returned the money. Had he of not returned it or kept it until he got is way that would be a different matter. Should the feedback be removed? That's up to the people who left it. Maybe given the circumstances it could be changed to neutral at some point and I'd support whatever they choose.

[CanaryInTheMine]

You indeed deserved a negative trust.

So you think we should remove it? Im still ponding whether I should or not, maybe you can help me with some arguments as to why I should remove the rating or change it to neutral. In the end no one was actually scammed. The forums founds have been returned and apparently have never been at risk, the posts have been edited regardless of the extortion attempt (I still wonder which rule exactly would allow the editing of insults though), CIYAM did apologize. With all that beeing said, Im still not certain it should be removed. There was an attempt to extort the forum and its staff and what sounded to me like a death threat.

No, you should not remove it because there was an attempt to extort the forum and a censure.

Sometimes people deserve a second chance as everyone can make a rash decision under pressure. Most of the time a good judge of character is how you try to amend your mistakes. What he did was obviously out of order but was also obviously done out of extreme anger. With that being said, he did the right thing, apologized and returned the money. Had he of not returned it or kept it until he got is way that would be a different matter. Should the feedback be removed? That's up to the people who left it. Maybe given the circumstances it could be changed to neutral at some point and I'd support whatever they choose.

Now you're talking about the character of those who left feedback

[BitcoinEXpress]

Obviously he used extremely poor judgement, but when he realized no one else thought what he was doing was a joke he admitted his wrong doing and returned the forum funds. While this doesn't just erase what he did, IMO it does demonstrate his will to make reparations, as well as enough character to own up to his idiotic actions. I think an opportunity for him to redeem himself with time is not unreasonable.

CIYAM never intended it as a joke. He was serious.

I'm suprised you haven't spun this as just another example of special treatment by the forum mods LOL



~BCX~

[CanaryInTheMine]

Obviously he used extremely poor judgement, but when he realized no one else thought what he was doing was a joke he admitted his wrong doing and returned the forum funds. While this doesn't just erase what he did, IMO it does demonstrate his will to make reparations, as well as enough character to own up to his idiotic actions. I think an opportunity for him to redeem himself with time is not unreasonable.

CIYAM never intended it as a joke. He was serious.

I'm suprised you haven't spun this as just another example of special treatment by the forum mods LOL



~BCX~

Ugh... Why egg him on??

[Bit_Happy]

CIYAM, It takes time, but most people are very forgiving and understanding (or really forgetful ... lol?) in the long run.

[tss]

sorry to hear about your IQ/EQ issue.  it should not be as much of an issue in written form rather than face to face dealings as you can write and rewrite and think prior to posting.  stop acting like a child.

it was clear from the post that the loss of forum btc was total bs and just a crying toddlers whine about being treated unfairly. quite a poor taste in judgement on your part. i think you would have been better off saying you were drunk or that your wife took control of your account and made those posts.  apologizing for it, just cements the type of character you are when pushed against the wall (maybe by your wife)

ohh and what what BitcoinEXpress said.

[Amitabh S]

Although I never took it seriously that you could not convince your wife to give back the funds, I was seriously thinking that you will use that as an excuse to either keep those funds or blackmail the forum into deleting said posts. Surely others would have thought so too.

So I won't be surprised if some negs remain (I didn't give any).

BTW whats the criteria for someone to be "good enough" to hold forum funds?

[newflesh]

sorry to hear about your IQ/EQ issue.  it should not be as much of an issue in written form rather than face to face dealings as you can write and rewrite and think prior to posting.  stop acting like a child.

it was clear from the post that the loss of forum btc was total bs and just a crying toddlers whine about being treated unfairly. quite a poor taste in judgement on your part. i think you would have been better off saying you were drunk or that your wife took control of your account and made those posts.  apologizing for it, just cements the type of character you are when pushed against the wall (maybe by your wife)

ohh and what what BitcoinEXpress said.

lol get over yourself ffs, I'm sure you've never made any bad judgements in your life.....

He made a mistake, told the truth + apologised and repaid the forum btc. Drama over, no need to rub it in dude.

[BitcoinDistributor]

Bro you went apeshit nuts in that post of yours. Like literally nuts, cuckoo, psycho, crazy...

A wife taking your computer over being called a bad word? She should probably take anger management classes while you should take a class on reacting properly to the wife's improper acts...women are nuts, we men are the sane ones who calm them down. If you cant do it bro then you're gonna get yourself killed one of these days.

Also, if she made you get your balls removed or something you probably should get them back ASAP cause you need a pair obviously after that 10 year tantrum you threw.

Welcome to the world of red trust, we red trust holders of bitcointalk hold an annual meeting in NYC. If you would like to come its $500 in BTC for plane ticket + meal + VIP ticket for the red trusters convention. If you use scammed funds please make sure to mix them before paying for your spot. Welcome again!

[hilariousandco]

A wife taking your computer over being called a bad word? She should probably take anger management classes while you should take a class on reacting properly to the wife's improper acts...women are nuts, we men are the sane ones who calm them down. If you cant do it bro then you're gonna get yourself killed one of these days.

His wife didn't do anything. Read the op. He made that up.

[Amph]

has this forum ever allowed a second chance to someone which has become untrusted when before was trusted?

i don't remember any sincerely

[hilariousandco]

What do you define as a second chance and in what regards? All that has happened is he has negative feedback and that's not the forum's decision whether it's removed or not but the people who left it. I doubt he will be given a second chance to hold forum money either but I don't see why that would be needed or wanted by either party anyway.

[CIYAM]

i don't remember any sincerely

Maybe you weren't around long enough to remember Matthew N. Wright (who finally ended up being permanently banned but not before his "scammer" tag was removed).

He is rather clever at social manipulation (and managed to con me out of quite a bit of BTC when I stupidly suggested that I could "help him" to repair his reputation).

[SebastianJu]

Its good that you apologize. Very few have the inner size to act this way. So i think its good that theymos is ok with it.

Though what i was wondering about your story from the start... you always wrote offline computer. It didnt make sense to me that your wife took away your "offline computer" after seeing the posts. When it was an offline computer then she most probably did not see the posts on there. Then why should she go, see the posts on your online computer and then kidnap your offline one? 

[CIYAM]

To be honest I never thought that my "stunt" post was actually going to be *believed* but perhaps that was because I had drank a few too many beers that night.

The offline storage is actually on USB "flash drives" so the "offline PC" isn't really important at all (apart from it staying offline).

Anyone who actually knew about the CIYAM Safe (which is what I had publicly stated before I was using to hold the forum's funds) would know that it is a Live OS but seemingly @theymos and the mods were not aware of this and took my "stunt" post as being "for real".