An apology...

[ibminer]

To be honest I never thought completely knew that my "stunt" postS was were actually going to be *believed* because BadBear called me out immediately for extortion and I continued the story, but perhaps that was because I had drank a few too many beers that night.

The offline storage is actually on USB "flash drives" so the "offline PC" isn't really important at all (apart from it staying offline).

Anyone who actually knew about the CIYAM Safe (which is what I had publicly stated before I was using to hold the forum's funds) would know that it is a Live OS but seemingly @theymos and the mods were not aware of this and took my "stunt" post as being "for real".

FTFY. You wanted people to believe it, that's obvious, whether it happened or not. And insanely enough, your plan worked because the posts were removed, and now I can never fucking know what actually pissed you off so bad. Thanks mods.

Don't take offense, I don't know you personally, but it wasn't just one post, you carried the story along several posts and maintained that you lost control of the coins due to a rogue wife (which is completely believable). There is a certain type of character that reacts like this when they are angry, and there is a type of person who doesn't. I am glad you came to your senses, and impressed with your release of the coins and I would hope the trust would be converted to neutral with a full explanation, but IMO your actions show you should not be trusted with large sums of the forums coins.

[CIYAM]

Well people can say that they think that they "know exactly what I am thinking" but that does not make it true (just as silly if I was to start saying I know exactly what you were thinking when you posted your post).

Obviously if I really thought what you are saying I did then I would not have posted unless I actually *wanted negative trust*.

(or do you believe that was what I was actually after?)

When I first signed up to this forum it was actually something I was reticent to do as I am not a liker of any "social networking" stuff (the only such thing I had used previously was "usenet" which perhaps shows my age).

The fact that I "lost it" actually wasn't a big surprise to me (but of course was a "disappointment" although perhaps it was more surprising that I had managed not to lose it for years before).

[ibminer]

Well people can say that they think that they "know exactly what I am thinking" but that does not make it true.

Obviously if I really thought what you are saying I did then I would not have posted unless I actually *wanted negative trust*.

(or do you believe that was what I was actually after?)

I have no doubt that anger, and *maybe* a few beers (alcohol is no excuse), clouded that part of your judgement - the part that thinks about getting negative trust and the long-term effects, but it seemed clear to me that people were believing what you were saying, and you continued, in order to reach your end goal of getting the posts removed (extortion).

[hilariousandco]

To be honest I never thought completely knew that my "stunt" postS was were actually going to be *believed* because BadBear called me out immediately for extortion and I continued the story, but perhaps that was because I had drank a few too many beers that night.

The offline storage is actually on USB "flash drives" so the "offline PC" isn't really important at all (apart from it staying offline).

Anyone who actually knew about the CIYAM Safe (which is what I had publicly stated before I was using to hold the forum's funds) would know that it is a Live OS but seemingly @theymos and the mods were not aware of this and took my "stunt" post as being "for real".

FTFY. You wanted people to believe it, that's obvious, whether it happened or not. And insanely enough, your plan worked because the posts were removed, and now I can never fucking know what actually pissed you off so bad. Thanks mods.

They were just insulting his wife. Trolling or off-topic posting isn't allowed and extreme or persistent cases will or can be removed (or users banned). I actually requested a ban for the guy shortly before CIYAM made his extortion attempt.

[CIYAM]

There was no intent to actually "extort" - it was a *stunt* mostly from anger and frustration.

The forum's funds were never at risk and I would never have stolen them (I think @theymos believes me in that regard).

It was unfortunate timing that the posts in question (which were removed) did not get removed before I had "lost the plot" (and yes of course I wish I had just waited longer then everything would have been fine).

When I used to post on comp.lang.c++.moderated there was *no acceptance of trolling at all* so perhaps I was spoiled in having been a part of a "useful group" of technical people that were working on improving the C++ language.

[hilariousandco]

Yes, it was unfortunate. The funds may have never truly been at risk but it was still extortion as you used them as leverage to get the the posts removed.

[CIYAM]

Yes, it was unfortunate. The funds may have never truly been at risk but it was still extortion as you used them as leverage to get the the posts removed.

I had agreed to return the funds to @theymos before I had even realised that the posts had got deleted (I only noticed that after I read @theymos reply to my apology).

Even @theymos has stated that their removal had nothing to do with my "stunt" and was just part of normal moderation.

[BadBear]

Yes, it was unfortunate. The funds may have never truly been at risk but it was still extortion as you used them as leverage to get the the posts removed.

I had agreed to return the funds to @theymos before I had even realised that the posts had got deleted (I only noticed that after I read @theymos reply to my apology).

Even @theymos has stated that their removal had nothing to do with my "stunt" and was just part of normal moderation.

Obviously yes, the posts should have been deleted, and that user had already been dealt with before you posted that thread (though those particular posts hadn't been deleted yet). Only reason I held off deleting them after you posted the thread was to give you a chance to rethink your actions, which is also why I responded to your thread so quickly pointing out what you were doing. It was extortion, whether that was your intention or not. It was also very insulting that you think we would value 50 BTC over our integrity (assuming we disagreed about moderation of the posts).  

It wasn't about the posts, it wasn't about the funds either. It was about you, and the way you conducted yourself wrt your contractual obligations.

Also if it would be of any help then I will gladly "refrain from posting again" in any topic other than that of the CIYAM project topic (the work is more important to me than me being able to post elsewhere on this forum).

I'm not sure why you think segregating yourself from the community would help.

I may change it to a neutral someday, I don't think a single mistake should haunt you for the rest of your time here, but that day isn't today.
 

[CIYAM]

I did *obey* the contractual demand from @theymos to return the funds within 14 days (was done within 3 days) but for sure I understand why I caused you and others to be upset.

Anyway - when the funds are moved from the address that they are stored at I hope people will not start up again (as those funds are not the forum's now they are actually mine as I am no longer holding any funds for the forum). Any "list" of the treasury funds should have been updated to remove the address that was at issue.

Thanks for at least considering to change the trust to neutral in the future.

In regards to "the record" I think it was unfair of @theymos to remove the *fact* that I had responsibly held 200 BTC for the forum for (from memory) six months (he could have just changed that trust to neutral rather than deleting it to make it look as though I never did anything right at all).

At the time I returned 200 BTC of the 250 BTC I was looking after was because I felt it was actually unsafe for me to be holding so much BTC for the forum (this was when the price was rising towards 1K USD).

If I had ever had some idea of "stealing the forum's BTC" then it would have happened when I had 250 BTC of it (and when BTC was approaching 1K USD).

[dogie]

I think its about time to lock this thread now and get on with out lives. Continue your CIYAM work, continue contributing and time may be able to repair some of the trust and trust ratings.

[CIYAM]

Okay - topic locked.