3000-6000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge - 9/18/12 Update

[TheBible]

So you measure how much I love someone with volts?

Yup.  At the base level, all your emotions are the results of voltage flowing through your brain.

That doesn't cheapen it, but it is how your brain works.  Sorry you don't like that, but it is a solid fact.

As for your other question, at the moment, all we can capture is rough pictures, however, as the technology is refined, video will indeed be possible.

Now your turn, since you're suddenly interested in evidence.  What unit is this nebulous universal "energy" you're on about measured in?  How is it measured? And don't give me that "It can't be measured by science" shit.  If it influences this world, it can be quantifiably measured.

[kentrolla]

So you measure how much I love someone with volts?

Yup.  At the base level, all your emotions are the results of voltage flowing through your brain.

That doesn't cheapen it, but it is how your brain works.  Sorry you don't like that, but it is a solid fact.

As for your other question, at the moment, all we can capture is rough pictures, however, as the technology is refined, video will indeed be possible.

Now your turn, since you're suddenly interested in evidence.  What unit is this nebulous universal "energy" you're on about measured in?  How is it measured? And don't give me that "It can't be measured by science" shit.  If it influences this world, it can be quantifiably measured.

It's measured in reddit karma points ofc

[LoupGaroux]

dank-

You are channeling Atlas. Stop it.

You are alienating potential investors. Stop it.

You are offending a whole lot of people with your blissfully ignorant statements about too many off-topic issues. Shut up, listen up and grow up.

And that, my little naif, is the voice of 52 years of experience. You are literally destroying your credibility and losing respect every time you hit "Post".

[kentrolla]

what it's like arguing with dank:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2703

[Ocean6]

This whole exercise is ridiculous, but entertaining

[fgervais]

So you measure how much I love someone with volts?

I would submit that emotional bonding is more a product of brain chemistry than one of pure electrical impulses within the brain, though the latter are the basis for the stimulation that produce them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love

Love is very well a localized event.

Also, you might want to read up on the current way to extract information directly from the brain through various means, we are already able to pull grainy free form patterns and very specific guided images.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface

There's a bunch of commercial tech getting ready to hit the market rather fast, can't wait to see how the hippy crowd will dance around that.

[dank]

I'm not denying any scientific evidence supporting your claims.  Doesn't change the fact we're spiritual creatures.  Love is the highest, most pure form of energy.  Nothing I said was to be construed as offensive, it's simply another viewpoint, if you took it offensively, you did so yourself.  Believe as you wish, if you couldn't see the truth in what I said, oh well.

By the way, regardless if you think love is an energy in this reality or not, my example of karma still stands true.  Put out positive energy around you and others, it may come in return.  Put out bad energy around you, negativity will be returned.  It's a very simple concept that if you spread love to someone, they're more likely to spread it back than if you spread hate to them.

[Vod]

Put out bad energy around you, negativity will be returned.  It's a very simple concept that if you spread love to someone, they're more likely to spread it back than if you spread hate to them.

Dank, that is not "karma", that is psychology 101.  

[dank]

Right.

[smracer]

In that case Dank why don't you just wish for a loan?

If you believe that love and karma are measurable energies then wishes should also fall into your realm of quantifiable energies.

Ignorance must be bliss.

[fgervais]

I'm not denying any scientific evidence supporting your claims.  Doesn't change the fact we're spiritual creatures.  Love is the highest, most pure form of energy.  

It sure is a nifty feeling, contagious even at times. Is it energy? No. It's only a serotonin upshot wrapped in cognitive dissonance, evolutionarily designed to keep us from abandoning the mewling poop machines that drop out when another biological imperative, reproduction, is executed.

Through the magic of higher reasoning we have made it something bigger and more refined, which is good and all, but to think that we're enveloped in a mystical layer of unseen energy is not only backwards thinking, it's assimilating and oversimplifying dogma from various religious movements.

You're cherry picking again. Animals are amply able of displaying what can be perceived as love, or at least behaviour that's not in their self-interest to protect and provide for their young. Does the imperative to pass on their genes to the next generation demonstrate their ownership of a soul?

Nothing I said was to be construed as offensive, it's simply another viewpoint, if you took it offensively, you did so yourself.

Again, I challenge you to clarify your previous position: is a Down's victim really just too lazy to will himself out of his affliction? It's a mental health issue at it's core, so really, since mental health problems are only a fabrication of big pharma, shouldn't they be able to decide enough is enough?

By the way, regardless if you think love is an energy in this reality or not, my example of karma still stands true.  Put out positive energy around you and others, it may come in return.  Put out bad energy around you, negativity will be returned.  It's a very simple concept that if you spread love to someone, they're more likely to spread it back than if you spread hate to them.

No. Put out good deeds and usually those good deeds are recognized and rewarded in time by their own acts, be it from reciprocal adoption of the golden rule or simply the perception that their good acts will in turn get more of your good deeds.

Causality of the tendency of people to seek out other kind spirited people does not validate karma as a concrete absolute. Building a financial enterprise on the notion is delirious.

You're just using karma as a way to be lenient in your business model, relying on karma to address issues for you, since you are a good person, at least in your mind, nothing bad can happen to you. Ever heard of natural disasters? Acts of god? I suppose people who loose everything they own must have secretly been horrible people, in this or past lives.

To take a page from a more religious stance, god helps those that help themselves, ie, shit won't happen if you stand on your ass waiting and counting your blessings. This is probably the most sensible approach I ever saw issued from dogma.

[Jalum]

Damn where did this thread go?  Can we get back on track with the guy trying to pawn off poisonous barnwood to remodel a 6000 square foot industrial indoor smoking lounge whose air is cleaned by a single $179 Costco portable air conditioner while off-the-book undocumented workers are rushing from folding table to folding table carrying salad tongs full of burning charcoal while trying to avoid stepping on the thousands of imported Iranian pistachio shells that litter a floor below a raised platform from whence Dank holds dominion on a giant chess set?

[BadBear]

Damn where did this thread go?  Can we get back on track with the guy trying to pawn off poisonous barnwood to remodel a 6000 square foot industrial indoor smoking lounge whose air is cleaned by a single $179 Costco portable air conditioner while off-the-book undocumented workers are rushing from folding table to folding table carrying salad tongs full of burning charcoal while trying to avoid stepping on the thousands of imported Iranian pistachio shells that litter a floor below a raised platform from whence Dank holds dominion on a giant chess set?

Don't be ridiculous.


He's not going to buy salad tongs, he'll just think the pain away.

[dank]

You realize science doesn't disprove spirituality, right?  There's no point of arguing philosophy with science, though you can use each other to grasp a better understanding of them.  Science never can, it can only explain the same things from a worldly perspective.  Since you can't disprove the existence of god, and others have first hand, supernatural experiences, why is it so hard to think it's plausible?

Regarding your bolded statement, I did not say that.  Mental disorders, disease, anything 'negative' is a reaction from the surrounding environment.  It's not random.  A positive environment would not produce these.

And god (the universe, not religious god) does not help those that serve themselves, god helps those that serve others.  Once again, the basis of karma.

[fgervais]

You realize science doesn't disprove spirituality, right?  There's no point of arguing philosophy with science, though you can use each other to grasp a better understanding of them.  Science never can, it can only explain the same things from a worldly perspective.  Since you can't disprove the existence of god, and others have first hand, supernatural experiences, why is it so hard to think it's plausible?

No, science doesn`t disprove all spirituality, but it sure can drag what`s left of it in a small windowless room and beat it senseless with a bat. Just recently there has been new unrefutable proof proof of evolution in a set of living beings within a controlled environment.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/09/researchers-track-evolution-through-snapshots-of-40000-generations/

Oops, there goes the literal interpretation of just about every religion out there, since they usually come with a creation story.

problem is that people won`t update their knowledge to take new information into account or simply dismiss it since it doesn`t fit in their narrow world view, just as your are doing right now. I could literally bury you under documentation that contradicts you, but you`ll either dismiss it off hand because of the conflict or attempt to rationalize your way around it by arguing that there can exist two radically opposing ways the world goes `round because you wish it so.

Same goes for individual experiences, which by the way in the real world is called anecdotal evidence, and it`s completely worthless when compared to quantifiable and repeatable science.

But hey, keep wallowing in your refusal to look beyond you small, easy and comforting interpretation of life, if it keeps you from feeling the sting of self doubt.

Regarding your bolded statement, I did not say that.  Mental disorders, disease, anything 'negative' is a reaction from the surrounding environment.  It's not random.  A positive environment would not produce these.

And god (the universe, not religious god) does not help those that serve themselves, god helps those that serve others.  Once again, the basis of karma.

So basically through the sins of the parent a child is punished with crippling medical issues? Or can a kid with Down's simply get better if it's parents invest more in their karma?

[dank]

Who was talking about evolution?  Evolution and creationism are both correct.  We evolved into what we are, yes.  We were also created, by the universe, by god.  We are made of the universe.

Again, it's just the perspective you're looking from, both are true.

[kentrolla]

karma is a very comforting theory and I can see why people are so attracted to it. It's really nice to assume good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.  If only life was actually fair.  

I can understand why you would think life is fair.  I'm assuming you grew up as a healthy sheltered kid in America and don't realize how lucky you are when you compare yourself to someone who was born with diseases in a North Korean labor camp sentenced to 5 generations of slavery and torture.  

You haven't been hit by reality yet.  You're in for a rude awakening.

[fgervais]

Who was talking about evolution?  Evolution and creationism are both correct.  We evolved into what we are, yes.  We were also created, by the universe, by god.  We are made of the universe.

Again, it's just the perspective you're looking from, both are true.

Furthermore, you can't redefine terms to suit you, creationism is something by any accepted meaning of the term something other than evolution driven life spawned from non-life.

Also, again:

So basically through the sins of the parent a child is punished with crippling medical issues? Or can a kid with Down's simply get better if it's parents invest more in their karma?

[dank]

Maybe reality has hit me, and not you?

Think what you wish, I can't debate this forever, every valid point I make is disregarded with some snide remark or illogical reasoning.  I used to think like you guys, I used to be a straight A atheist who dwelled into science, then something happened to change my view.  I guess you could call it hitting reality.

Whatever floats your boat.

[fgervais]