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September 12, 2012, 12:52:07 PM
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I haven't been able to put my finger on the only dispute I have had with Rand's outlook and that would be it: The disgust with helping human beings as a primary cause. For whatever reason she views this as laborious and sacrificial.

Because she was a selfish, nasty bitch that only lived for herself. And she fucked Alan Greenspan, exhibiting the extremely poor taste and desperation that both of them were composed of and inflicted on the world.

I always liked this one:

I Used to Fuck the Shit Outta Ayn Rand by Alan Greenspan

For all your talk about Israel, I'm not really sure why you admire an UberZionist such as Rand.
I look at things issue-by-issue. I am not going to hate the woman over a few of her preferences.

As for Mr. Greenspan, he really wasn't really tied to Objectivist morality when you compare it to the actions he committed, at least in his later years. I sincerely doubt Rand would approve of The Federal Reserve if she took a second look at it.
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September 12, 2012, 01:04:10 PM
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Very well. I haven't really considered the size difference like this before. I like how you look between the Black and White for the shades of Gray here.

When it comes to "government intervention" at such a scale, it seems to be more of a tool than anything else. Military force and justice can be seen as a service like any other. There is indeed a season for all things.

And, as expected, it's the real one. Welcome back, Atlas.

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September 12, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
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There are some things that people just never say aloud. IMO, this is at the heart of the issue. Here's one of them.

Evolution will ensure that humans have (or reacquire) a tendency to multiply in numbers. The current slow-down is temporary at best.

Reproduction rates have long stopped increasing in western countries. It's a different story in poorer countries of course where survival pressure is higher and certain gospels of christian missionaries still resound.

Claiming that current societies (with the exception of China) promote anything but the latter is wishful thinking. Prepare for mass deaths on the lower end if the upcoming debt crisis causes disruptions in food prices.

Much of this is fearmongering imho. There's no reason for anyone to starve anymore today or in the future, as we could already feed everyone on this planet multiple times over if it weren't for the military spending. Also, with hydroponics plus fish for example, many possibilities for self-sufficiency already exist.

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September 12, 2012, 02:13:44 PM
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I am not going to hate the woman over a few of her preferences.

True. She has many other qualities worthy of derision.
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September 12, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2VzdkXm5Ies#t=18s

Seeing this encounter, I can't help but see the similar value system especially in the regards of discussion and debate.

In this video, Rand mentions she was there to answer questions and to share information -- not to be judged.


You're so hypocritical. Ayn Rand was a russian jew, a zionist.
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September 12, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2VzdkXm5Ies#t=18s

Seeing this encounter, I can't help but see the similar value system especially in the regards of discussion and debate.

In this video, Rand mentions she was there to answer questions and to share information -- not to be judged.
You're so hypocritical. Ayn Rand was a russian jew, a zionist.

Wait, Rand was a member of Mossad?

Maybe he's just capable of separating one of her opinions from another, unrelated one.

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September 12, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2VzdkXm5Ies#t=18s

Seeing this encounter, I can't help but see the similar value system especially in the regards of discussion and debate.

In this video, Rand mentions she was there to answer questions and to share information -- not to be judged.


You're so hypocritical. Ayn Rand was a russian jew, a zionist.

I apologize for not being the Stormfront proponent you want me to be.
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September 12, 2012, 02:36:00 PM
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Wait, Rand was a member of Mossad?

Maybe he's just capable of separating one of her opinions from another, unrelated one.

Um um you mean that she wanted to wipe out all arabs because they were savages?

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September 12, 2012, 02:37:04 PM
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I apologize for not being the Stormfront proponent you want me to be.

You can't make a coherent argument so far. So what was your solution about Palestinians? Oh wait, you just bitch.
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September 12, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
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I apologize for not being the Stormfront proponent you want me to be.

LMAO... thanks, Atlas. This is why I'm glad you stuck around.

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September 12, 2012, 02:40:56 PM
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I apologize for not being the Stormfront proponent you want me to be.

You can't make a coherent argument so far. So what was your solution about Palestinians? Oh wait, you just bitch.


I suggested giving them more land on the Gaza Strip and discontinue the gradual seizing of said lands. However, it seems the end goal is to just move them out completely. We can't expect them not to be upset.
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September 12, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
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I suggested giving them more land on the Gaza Strip and discontinue the gradual seizing of said lands. However, it seems the end goal is to just move them out completely.

Says like a real zionist: kick the arabs out of west bank on premises of more lands in gaza, and then push them out to the sea.
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September 12, 2012, 02:46:55 PM
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I suggested giving them more land on the Gaza Strip and discontinue the gradual seizing of said lands. However, it seems the end goal is to just move them out completely.
Says like a real zionist: kick the arabs out of west bank on premises of more lands in gaza, and then push them out to the sea.

Vampire, do you live in the area you're discussing?

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September 12, 2012, 02:48:08 PM
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Vampire, do you live in the area you're discussing?

Do I need to answer that? Seriously, you know where I live.

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September 12, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
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Vampire, do you live in the area you're discussing?

Do I need to answer that? Seriously, you know where I live.

Well, yes, but "in my heart" doesn't really place you on a map. Wink

Oh, that's right. You're in New York. So, remind me? Dafuq you care about the West Bank and the Gaza strip?

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September 12, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
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Oh, that's right. You're in New York. So, remind me? Dafuq you care about the West Bank and the Gaza strip?

New York is an interesting place. 50% of russian girls you meet here are probably jewish. 5% of them are Ayn Rand fanatics and 50% are pretty hardcore zionists.

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September 12, 2012, 02:55:33 PM
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Dafuq you care about the West Bank and the Gaza strip?

They're the Lost Boroughs.
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September 12, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
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Oh, that's right. You're in New York. So, remind me? Dafuq you care about the West Bank and the Gaza strip?

New York is an interesting place. 50% of russian girls you meet here are probably jewish. 5% of them are Ayn Rand fanatics and 50% are pretty hardcore zionists.

So? Date Asian chicks. I hear they're pretty hot.

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September 12, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
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Rand did a lot of good work, but her ethical system runs afoul of David Hume's is-ought dichotomy. The "nature of man" can be used to derive description of how men do behave; it can not derive how men should behave.

There exists no abstract, collective "mankind" that can be used to derive principles either, as in saying, "that which is good for mankind is good for individuals". Only individuals exist to derive principles from so violence might be what's good for my survival, and it would be impossible in that case for Objectivism to explain why I shouldn't use violence.
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September 13, 2012, 07:30:01 PM
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A=A.

Seems like a logical starting point to me.

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