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Really? wow. This is bad. I'm rethinking if I should have ordered from btcfpga instead. Yea, this is making me concerned about the preorders I've made. |
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goxed
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September 21, 2012, 05:54:13 AM |
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This is not FULL Custom ASIC! How do you know that they have gone this route? |
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September 21, 2012, 12:35:02 PM |
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This is not FULL Custom ASIC! How do you know that they have gone this route? The BFL definition of 'FULL' Custom and the technical term 'FULL Custom' are likely to be slightly differing in their meaning. |
If you're not excited by the idea of being an early adopter 'now', then you should come back in three or four years and either tell us "Told you it'd never work!" or join what should, by then, be a much more stable and easier-to-use system.
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It is being worked on by smart people. -DamienBlack
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September 21, 2012, 06:38:15 PM |
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If your definition of Full Custom is the same as the industries and not the marketing people, then they are the same. If you are talking about marketing speak "full custom" then yes, they are different.
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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September 21, 2012, 07:42:30 PM |
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If your definition of Full Custom is the same as the industries and not the marketing people, then they are the same. If you are talking about marketing speak "full custom" then yes, they are different.
So, an Engineer from BFL built or at least tweaked by hand the design in something like Cadence's layout tool, starting from the substrate and working through the n-well, n and p active regions, poly metal, etc? |
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September 21, 2012, 07:43:26 PM |
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Yes
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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September 21, 2012, 07:47:03 PM |
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Thanks for clearing that up Inaba. |
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September 21, 2012, 08:31:25 PM |
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Thanks for clearing that up Inaba. Maybe he was answering "Yes" to another post. Ask him what the licensing cost was. ;> For extra credit, ask how often it crashed or produced incorrect results. |
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Thanks for clearing that up Inaba. Maybe he was answering "Yes" to another post. Ask him what the licensing cost was. ;> For extra credit, ask how often it crashed or produced incorrect results. Heh, maybe he used different tools, but I know I've had Cadence/Virtuoso up and decided it wanted to shut down a few times on me, and I haven't used it much. Luckily I was running on an academic license, so cost to me was 0. |
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September 21, 2012, 09:56:57 PM |
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Thanks for clearing that up Inaba. Maybe he was answering "Yes" to another post. Ask him what the licensing cost was. ;> For extra credit, ask how often it crashed or produced incorrect results. Heh, maybe he used different tools, but I know I've had Cadence/Virtuoso up and decided it wanted to shut down a few times on me, and I haven't used it much. Luckily I was running on an academic license, so cost to me was 0. If he used different tools, it would have been a great opportunity to mention which tools they were using. :-) Path to riches: Write chip design or verification software that crashes and has many, many hardcoded special cases. Sell company to Cadence for $25-50m. Repeat. |
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September 21, 2012, 10:09:18 PM |
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This is Very Very interesting! Here is a list of Mosis Fab schedule. I wonder if BFL is using Mosis. http://www.mosis.com/products/fab-schedule |
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September 23, 2012, 06:22:14 PM |
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So this guy gets convicted of lottery fraud by taking money in advance from victims and promising them a larger payout. What he ends up doing is paying out smaller than promised using the money from his latest victims.
Now he is taking pre-orders on devices promising purchasers a level of performance that will forever change bitcoin mining, but with no actual proof of concept.
Apples to apples this guy releases a product that underperforms based on the companies hype. It's actually perfect timing for a scam of this magnitude as the payout is about to halve.
He may have a track record with previous devices (and has also released underperforming products), but I think we've all learned that in the BTC community, track records are trivial measures of honesty.
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