Could Satoshi Nakamoto be the CIA/NSA?

[acid_rain]

What if bitcoin miners are being used to generate rainbow tables for cracking password hashes.

No.  They're not.

Anyway, try entering a wrong password more than 3 times on your online credit card or banking site.
See what happens.

What the OP was probably referring to is they crack the password hash that is stored in the dB. That way you don't need 3 tries, cause you get it on the first try.

I know this is unrelated to the thread, but OP, are you fontas by any chance? You know that your handle is "fontas" spelt backwards right?

[lister storm]

Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.

[MF Doom]

Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.

the fact that you lump all "conspiracy theory fanatics" into one group, tells me you are not a very critical thinker.  Many topics that were once "conspiracy theories" have been proven true.  I dont need to list them here, I'll let you research that on your own.

[acid_rain]

Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.

Even his nickname sounds like a  freakin conspiracy theory to me. You know who fontas was right?

It makes for an awesome story though I tell you.

[Beliathon]

Could Satoshi Nakamoto be the CIA/NSA?

Only if CIA/NSA agents were somehow motivated to massively undermine the power of their own government.

[MF Doom]

Could Satoshi Nakamoto be the CIA/NSA?

Only if CIA/NSA agents were somehow motivated to massively undermine power of their own government.

Or if he is FORMER CIA/NSA and has good reason to undermine their abuse of power...

honestly I have thought a lot about this and it really doesn't seem too far fetched to think he at least has some connection to cia/nsa/fbi just due to his ability alone to conceal his identity.  Lots of people TRY to conceal their identity, but for him to be in contact with people enough to hand over the whole project and never leave any trace of his identity sounds like it would take a lot, something that he was intentionally doing, possibly something he was trained to do

[lister storm]

Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.

Even his nickname sounds like a  freakin conspiracy theory to me. You know who fontas was right?

It makes for an awesome story though I tell you.

LOL , The monstrous LISTER STORM www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I6GWORyWHc

[satnof]

Wow I never thought this thread would take a life of its own. Maybe I should do a kickstarter on creating a documentary on the life of satoshi.

To answer the naysayers about Open Source code, most people don't bother reviewing millions of lines of code for every open source product they download.

You go by what people say most of the time. And also a software team comprised of 8 people created the first Microsoft Windows 3.1x based on MSDOS.

Worldwide corporations don't need more than a skeleton staff of 70 people (including support staff which Bitcoin doesn't have) to run a successful multimillion forbes list company. You can keep everything contained quite nicely if you have the initial resources and manpower.

Kaspersky Labs in their analysis for the government said the blockchain can be used to deliver malicious payloads to targets.

Chew on those facts for a second.

[vrm86]

In case of that kind of stories I always wonder why federals needed to make an inside job to close first silkroad, instead of using some hidden feature of bitcoin protocol ;]

[popovicbit]

I am involved in real estate...I can barely remember my gmail password.


For someone like Satoshi to create a complex and brilliant thing like Bitcoin, I would hope he had the skills to hide his identity...its only logical. It doesn't mean he was CIA.

[MicroGuy]

Sounds more like some conspiracy theory fanatics to me.

The best story is the "Satoshi time traveler story" where he was allegedly sponsored by corporations of the future. Someone probably has the link.

[afriezalie]

Why NSA need to crack password? They can use others way like malware, communication tapping. I think cracking password is a conventional way.

[ajareselde]

Why NSA need to crack password? They can use others way like malware, communication tapping. I think cracking password is a conventional way.

There are some things that only can be solved with cracking password
If they really made bitcoin to cracking password for free, that would be smart

I could understand if they would create tool like bitcoin, which is attractive to shady users, and then they could follow their transactions more easily, but
this password cracking seams extremely far fetched.

cheers

[Elwar]

In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.

If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.

[satnof]

In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.

If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.

Excuse me sir what are you talking about? Don't look at entry level salaries. Those mean nothing. You move up in scale as the years progress.

is an average $150k/year + $50k/year addendum to the contract for being on-call & shift duty not enough salary for you? I bet you'd jump at the opportunity.

I think what you're referring to is when Dell subcontracts for an agency, they have SLAs (service level agreements) that they're forced to meet, but still pay shit money to employees. The government takes care of its most valued assets.

[Elwar]

In all reality, CIA/NSA people don't get paid shit. So if he did work for those agencies you can damn well believe that he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

It is more likely that he worked in the private sector and has previously created something that gave him enough money to enjoy a comfortable life where money is not that big of a deal.

If it was a CIA/NSA project then that would mean multiple people would have access to those private keys. A simple act of writing down the key and sticking it in your shoe would allow you to retire from your shitty paying CIA/NSA job.

Excuse me sir what are you talking about? Don't look at entry level salaries. Those mean nothing. You move up in scale as the years progress.

is an average $150k/year + $50k/year addendum to the contract for being on-call & shift duty not enough salary for you? I bet you'd jump at the opportunity.

I think what you're referring to is when Dell subcontracts for an agency, they have SLAs (service level agreements) that they're forced to meet, but still pay shit money to employees. The government takes care of its most valued assets.

I definitely would not jump at the opportunity, I made more than that last year when I was in Afghanistan and if I were to transfer over to a CIA/NSA position I would likely have the experience for a GS-12 which pays around $80k in my area and that's after almost 20 years of experience. $150k is the GS-15 pay which is the highest you can receive.

A GS-15 would be management level, not the guy writing the code and handling the private keys making squat.

[mattiadeabtc]

he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient  for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values ​​have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?

[Elwar]

he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient  for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values ​​have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?

The only way I could see the NSA/CIA doing it is if they had the director of the operation standing over them ensuring that they deleted the private keys for every mined block, and then had multiple people supervise the destruction of the hard drive where the private key existed (every 10 minutes).

Two FBI guys were exposed to private keys worth a lot less and they ended up stealing them.

[Kakmakr]

he would have cashed out those early bitcoins years ago.

he can't spend his coin because he don't have access to his wallet....i'm pretty sure he have lost his private keys....
the question is....why these bitcoins are dormient  for years ? if you had created something that could make you rich , why the hell did not use it ? at least a part of them ....
I do not believe that satoshi created everything ' to free , maybe it was not for profit , but when values ​​have risen why not enjoy the money you earn?

The only way I could see the NSA/CIA doing it is if they had the director of the operation standing over them ensuring that they deleted the private keys for every mined block, and then had multiple people supervise the destruction of the hard drive where the private key existed (every 10 minutes).

Two FBI guys were exposed to private keys worth a lot less and they ended up stealing them.

We are after all dealing with government employees here. Most of these guys are getting paid much better than their peers in the private sector. ^joke^
Do you think a agency exposed him and he was forced to destroy it? He is such a genius, I would think that he committed his whole private key to memory. ^joke#2^

[Wexlike]

What if bitcoin miners are being used to generate rainbow tables for cracking password hashes. It is a known fact that with a rainbow table you can crack a password hash in seconds rather than years, and in big-O notation brute-forcing passwords takes O(n²) time which would also take years for a 14+ character password.

Now to generate a rainbow table with character set 0-9, a-z, A-Z, + all special characters (@!#$%^&*(){}/*-+_=) would also take years to generate in advance if you don't have access to a distributed grid of computers dividing the processing power between themselves. And it costs quite abit of BTC to buy processing power from the cloud. And coming to think of it, aren't the bitcoins miners doing just that?

Here's the genius part. What if the CIA/NSA devised a way so that the bitcoin miners are actually generating the rainbow hashes needed to crack any password up to 64 characters in length. Wouldn't that practically give them access to any corporation + home wifi + any account needed?

I can think of a multitude of applications to the bitcoin distributed network, not excluding DDOSing, generating hashes for different types of decoding algorithms such as MD5, SHA1 (which are the most commonly used to protect passwords in databases), etc. Even the term that miners are generating hashes gives you the slight doubt that, what if?

Alright you might argue that now developers are using salt mechanism, but still...its food for thought. Any fanboys who read the code, care to give their opinion? Now don't get me wrong, I'm just inserting the notion of what if? I quite like the uses of bitcoin myself.

At least, you have a very bright and creative mind. I don't think it's even possible to hash passwords with this algo ? And you can't change asics anymore to create different algorithms.