Is this user cheating coinomat ?

[XinXan]

Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=266490

I noticed something weird in one of his posts when i was going to quote him and it seems like after his last word in any post there are a lot of spaces, white spaces. All his last posts have less than 30 characters but if you go to coinomat bitsig web to check his post count, he has 60, is he making his posts have more than 75 characters with the spaces?

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[Quickseller]

Who would have thought that it isn't a good idea to use a bit to count posts?

[hilariousandco]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

[tspacepilot]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese.  I certainly can't judge the quality.  It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious.  For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

[XinXan]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese.  I certainly can't judge the quality.  It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious.  For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

I see it may be hard for you to scroll down, like just a little but here im going to quote his last posts so you can judge:

You may try to run a campaign
                                                       

is anybody get paid form this ponzi game?
                         

I only have 2
Bitcoin and qora
                                           

Every one has the right to own a gun to protect themself.
                                                                                 

Security is more important than Privacy.
                                                                       

All of them have poor quality + the spaces i was talking about earlier, you can just see it when quoting

[Hexcoin]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese.  I certainly can't judge the quality.  It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious.  For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

I see it may be hard for you to scroll down, like just a little but here im going to quote his last posts so you can judge:

You may try to run a campaign
                                                       

is anybody get paid form this ponzi game?
                         

I only have 2
Bitcoin and qora
                                           

Every one has the right to own a gun to protect themself.
                                                                                 

Security is more important than Privacy.
                                                                       

All of them have poor quality + the spaces i was talking about earlier, you can just see it when quoting

that user will probably be banned for that low quality posts he made. and some user can report it directly to coinomat so Ingatqhvq wont be paid for his cheating

[Bizmark13]

Coinomat is using the bot hosted by marcotheminer so this bug probably isn't unique to their campaign. The bot shouldn't be counting spaces over two characters in length. Unless the bot is customizable so that Coinomat can choose unique strings of characters to ignore (a quick look at the bot's official thread here suggests that no such feature exists but I could be wrong), it's probably best to contact marcotheminer directly via a PM and ask him to update his bot or submit a feature request on his thread:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=147773

[GannickusX]

Coinomat is using the bot hosted by marcotheminer so this bug probably isn't unique to their campaign. The bot shouldn't be counting spaces over two characters in length. Unless the bot is customizable so that Coinomat can choose unique strings of characters to ignore (a quick look at the bot's official thread here suggests that no such feature exists but I could be wrong), it's probably best to contact marcotheminer directly via a PM and ask him to update his bot or submit a feature request on his thread:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=147773

Its not only about the bot that can be bypassed its also that coinomat seems not to care too much about what users in their signature campaign post, this user its obviously posting trash and insubstantial posts not to mention the fact that he is cheating the system, coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

[hilariousandco]

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

[XinXan]

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

He hasnt responded to my mail yet but yes you are definitely right, there should be more pressure because they are pretty much attracting users to spam or post useless shit like this guy, if it wasnt for their campaign there would be no reason for him to post what he has been posting, maybe if ''x'' users are banned wearing the same sig campaign the campaign manager should receive like a warning and if it happens again, ban.

[DevOfDev]

another joke
he still spaming with less caracter 

I guess they want to build a islam country.
                                                           

I use okcoin to trade bitcoin.
                                                 

multibit不是一次可以生成100个地址么。
                   

[Quickseller]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

Well the bot in question was marketed as something that would completely automate the campaign process so they are not going to want to do any kind of manual work regarding the campaign.

I imagine that the cost of the bot is likely only marginally less expensive then it would be to hire a signature campaign manager so it may not be economical to both pay for the bot and pay someone to do manual checking.

[hilariousandco]

It can't be that much to purchase the bot, and people can quite easily have their own created but if they're not willing to pay for both then they should pay someone to actually do the job properly as there's no way a bot can spot certain abuse or spam. The bots are fine for counting posts and deducting ones from certain sections or don't meet the criteria etc but there still needs to be a human involved just actually checking over stuff and willing to act quickly to abuses. If there's not then people will quickly find loopholes where they can abuse it as we've seen recently.

[XinXan]

It can't be that much to purchase the bot, and people can quite easily have their own created but if they're not willing to pay for both then they should pay someone to actually do the job properly as there's no way a bot can spot certain abuse or spam. The bots are fine for counting posts and deducting ones from certain sections or don't meet the criteria etc but there still needs to be a human involved just actually checking over stuff and willing to act quickly to abuses. If there's not then people will quickly find loopholes where they can abuse it as we've seen recently.

But the problem is that the bots are not even fine on counting the posts as seen here and before, people can bypass easily the character limit that any campaign has which makes the bot useless, its not a big deal to count an user's post count at the end of each week and calculate his total posts instead of getting a bot to do pretty much that since it cant detect when an user is abusing the system.

Of course the spam and insubstantial posts cant be detected either and really coinomat has no limits, you can almost post in any section which makes it even easier to spam the forum.

[Quickseller]

The 75 character minimum was likely instituted as a way to prevent people from spamming their signature with a lot of insubstantial posts. It was probably not anticipated that people would try to cheat the system (or maybe it was and the parties didn't do anything to prevent this).

I think it is interesting that bitmixer has almost the exact same rules, yet they have not encountered similar problems. People have complained that they were "unfairly" banned/removed from their campaign so it should be clear that someone is watching in the background even though they are not active in the forum.

[tspacepilot]

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese.  I certainly can't judge the quality.  It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious.  For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

I see it may be hard for you to scroll down, like just a little but here im going to quote his last posts so you can judge:

I can't figure out why people feel the need to be assholes just because it's the internet.

You may try to run a campaign
                                                      

is anybody get paid form this ponzi game?
                          

I only have 2
Bitcoin and qora
                                            

Every one has the right to own a gun to protect themself.
                                                                                

Security is more important than Privacy.
                                                                      

All of them have poor quality + the spaces i was talking about earlier, you can just see it when quoting

Jeesus dude, I guess it must be hard for you to click "next page", but if you do, you'll find pages and pages in chinese many of them very long winded. I have no idea what he's saying and my point was merely that it looks like English is probably not his first language.  I don't know what quality of posts you achieve when writing in a language that you don't know too well.  But either way, there's no need to get all snippy.  Pull your panties out of your butt and relax.

The 75 character minimum was likely instituted as a way to prevent people from spamming their signature with a lot of insubstantial posts. It was probably not anticipated that people would try to cheat the system (or maybe it was and the parties didn't do anything to prevent this).

I think it is interesting that bitmixer has almost the exact same rules, yet they have not encountered similar problems.

I think it speaks to the quality of the counting script, clearly the one coinomat is using has some serious issues.

People have complained that they were "unfairly" banned/removed from their campaign so it should be clear that someone is watching in the background even though they are not active in the forum.

I agree with hillarious on this, it only makes sense to use a script to do rote (and concretely defined) tasks like counting posts and excluding certain sections---robots do a much more accurate job than humans an this kind of work.  But when it comes to understanding context and making judgements about quality, robots are not even close to what a human can do. To not use a human for this latter job is to deny its importance.  And I agree that folks who are advertizing on here and not caring about the consequences of how they go about this should have to answer for this.

[coinomat.com]

Hello, guys!
First of all, thanks XinXan for the message and this topic.

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

hilariousandco, sorry, if nobody responded to your first messages about cheating members. Now they will not be without replying, you have already got replies to last messages, for example, about those 4 cheaters. It's already time to forget, that smb didnt answer somewhen Now there are some people writing from this account. And there is a person, which manages with Campaign. And actually this person exists already for some time.
We are with attention to quality of posts, which our participants write in our Campaign. Why do you think we don't care? Why do you think, these small cheaters got paid?
Cheaters can not exist for long time and write a lot of posts, because community of forum notices everything. It's like alive system
And yes, posts are count by bot in general, but in random order we check quality of posts manually, especially it concerns new participants.
But most part of our members are already our friends and we know quality of their posts. They are part of forum' community and we are glad to be in the same community.
And cheaters are just small cheaters, which often don't get even 20 minimal posts... Actually, it's not so easy to cheat us
Especially with our friends-members and participants of our team, which give us additional information about such members.
So...   Thank you, friends, for your attention, topic and this discussion  
And note - today is Monday. Pay day for our Campaign. Payments will be today during some next hours

[ajareselde]

Hello, guys!
First of all, thanks XinXan for the message and this topic.

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

hilariousandco, sorry, if nobody responded to your first messages about cheating members. Now they will not be without replying, you have already got replies to last messages, for example, about those 4 cheaters. It's already time to forget, that smb didnt answer somewhen Now there are some people writing from this account. And there is a person, which manages with Campaign. And actually this person exists already for some time.
We are with attention to quality of posts, which our participants write in our Campaign. Why do you think we don't care? Why do you think, these small cheaters got paid?
Cheaters can not exist for long time and write a lot of posts, because community of forum notices everything. It's like alive system
And yes, posts are count by bot in general, but in random order we check quality of posts manually, especially it concerns new participants.
But most part of our members are already our friends and we know quality of their posts. They are part of forum' community and we are glad to be in the same community.
And cheaters are just small cheaters, which often don't get even 20 minimal posts... Actually, it's not so easy to cheat us
Especially with our friends-members and participants of our team, which give us additional information about such members.
So...   Thank you, friends, for your attention, topic and this discussion  
And note - today is Monday. Pay day for our Campaign. Payments will be today during some next hours

You are missing the point, it's not only are they paid or not, it's about you and your "manager" who are not stopping them. Leaving them to post and just not paying isn't doing anything for the forum,
posts are still there, and you make most profit because your advertisement still gets exposure , plus you don't have to pay for it.
I believe you are well aware of this, and are in fact exploiting it.
Instead of taking this serious, you are using this chance to promote your campaign talking about payments, and this just proves how you manage your business.

cheers

[Quickseller]

Out of curiosity, who is managing the coinimat campaign? I don't think they are doing a very good job.

[--Encrypted--]

Out of curiosity, who is managing the coinimat campaign? I don't think they are doing a very good job.

Their owner runs it, I think.

I told him to hire a campaign manager but he refused because he thinks the site have been around for a long time. can't say I object