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June 25, 2015, 11:10:03 PM
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New Goldman Sachs survey.
http://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-survey-millennials-bitcoin/

Despite the negative tone of the title I actually am encouraged by the survey.  Needs a bigger sample size.  But it says 22% of people that have never used bitcoin plan to use it in the future.  Only 5% have used it but will not use it again.  Showing most people that use bitcoin keep using it.  
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June 25, 2015, 11:12:04 PM
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I think they are wrong,most millenials are people who has grown with technology and they adapt new technologies easily,so it will not be a problem for them to get adapted when bitcoin is more used in the future
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June 25, 2015, 11:20:47 PM
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They need a much larger sample to get real valid results, but even this is encouraging, especially the data:

-that only 5% used bitcoin, but dont plan to do so anymore
-22% used it before, and plan to use it again.
-also 22% didn't yet use it but plans to.

This is what bitcoin needs, returning "customers" (users), and not 5 minutes of glory, followed by despair.

cheers
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June 25, 2015, 11:21:26 PM
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Aww bummer, I was hoping this would be a survey wit two choices to answer the question: Is Goldman Sachs the root of all evil?

1. Yes

2. Hell yes

Anyway I believe that wall street is scratching its head at cryptos at the present.  It is never easy to predict what will happen in the future, and current opinion is worthless.  If you asked people if they would ever use a cell phone when they first came out, then most of them would say no I'd wager.  They were big and expensive, and kind of pointless.  Now there are not even any pay phones anywhere because everyone has a cell.  I think crypto is like this.  No one thinks they will ever use it, and then one day it will be so common that you don't even think about it or know when you stated using it.
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June 25, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
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Wall street missed the bus on cryptos, they are too busy manipulating the housing market right now.  Don't worry though, they will jump on the band wagon eventually.
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June 26, 2015, 12:17:37 AM
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even if the survey said that only 1% of people wanted bitcoin, wall street will still want to get onboard..

after all 1% of people still equates to 3million US population.. which if people invested $1000 each, that is $3billion total in transactions. and even if wallstreet only do a 1% profit on the spread.. thats still $30million business..

and we all know that investors (not teenage drug users), proper investors want to spend more than $1000. thus the amounts i just quoted as trade and profits are the minimal amounts.. i see it being $10,000+ deals per investor, multiple times per year netting wall street multiples times the profit mentioned above

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June 26, 2015, 03:03:24 AM
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i think the number of survey respondents is too small to assess the bitcoin usage. but still i think 22% is a good number at this stage.
additionally i don't really get the whole concern about sacrificing privacy for the sake of security thing that they are talking about, since you can use bitcoin totally anonymously and have the security also.

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June 26, 2015, 04:35:34 AM
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New Goldman Sachs survey.
http://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-survey-millennials-bitcoin/

Despite the negative tone of the title I actually am encouraged by the survey.  Needs a bigger sample size.  But it says 22% of people that have never used bitcoin plan to use it in the future.  Only 5% have used it but will not use it again.  Showing most people that use bitcoin keep using it.  

What does this mean, "use bitcoin?"

I think it's important for every single person reading this to understand that Bitcoin cannot survive as an illusion. All adopters need to get real and fathom exactly what's at stake. There is no minority anywhere outside the bitcoin community that would use bitcoin to purchase standard durable goods.

This is why. Bitcoin is like a token system that allows you to buy tokens in exchange for cash. Everyone would rather have cash, but the only way to play the machines at the fun park is with tokens. That's how bitcoin works. The only way to buy drugs online is with Bitcoin tokens.

Here's the important part. People will never take an extra step to do something. That would be dumb and wasteful. Why would anyone jump through hoops to buy bitcoin so they can then run out and buy something that they could have already bought with the debit card in their pocket?

The key to making bitcoin whole again is to focus on what matters - wages. "Pay a man in bitcoin, and you've fed a man for life."

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June 26, 2015, 06:17:03 AM
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New Goldman Sachs survey.
http://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-survey-millennials-bitcoin/

Despite the negative tone of the title I actually am encouraged by the survey.  Needs a bigger sample size.  But it says 22% of people that have never used bitcoin plan to use it in the future.  Only 5% have used it but will not use it again.  Showing most people that use bitcoin keep using it.  

All depends how difficult it is to use vs anything else imo.  Anyone will use bitcoin if its safe and easy to use its a no brainer.
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June 26, 2015, 07:05:48 AM
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I guess if people were more educated about Bitcoin, they would respond differently. If you make a direct comparison between Bitcoin and the other payment methods, and you place it in front of them, 9 out of 10 people would choose Bitcoin.

- It's more secure for online payments
- It's cheaper
- No chargebacks
- Off-chain transaction is instant
- Ease of use {It's much easier with most of the 3rd party payment processors}

In the end, it will come down to two of these things... Cost & Security .... The truth is, Bitcoin, or rather the Blockchain will reach a stage, were most people will not even know, that they are using it.  Grin
 

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June 26, 2015, 07:36:47 AM
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Thirty-four percent of male respondents and 48% of female respondents said that they were “not too bothered” as long as their service isn’t directly affected.

this is the problem their are not incentivated enough to use it, they are like those that are still stuck with windows xp, and do not see any reason to switch to seven or windows 8.1

i think some of those don't even know how bitcoin work, or they could switch to it, because it will mean for them less time to wait for TX so less cost and more security, vs fiat circuit



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June 26, 2015, 07:58:12 AM
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From another viewpoint it would be similar to people saying they will never use the internet but as more merchants and services were provided online and it became easier to access web content adoption grew. The same is likely with Bitcoin so I see this survey as a good note at this time and would be interested in a follow-up survey next year.
Based on what they mentioned as long as costs are s and the User Experience is not particuarly hard more users will utilize it.

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June 26, 2015, 06:46:09 PM
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They need a much larger sample to get real valid results, but even this is encouraging, especially the data:

-that only 5% used bitcoin, but dont plan to do so anymore
-22% used it before, and plan to use it again.
-also 22% didn't yet use it but plans to.

This is what bitcoin needs, returning "customers" (users), and not 5 minutes of glory, followed by despair.

cheers


nearly 1/4 is alot in my view  Smiley

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June 26, 2015, 07:01:06 PM
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New Goldman Sachs survey.
http://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-survey-millennials-bitcoin/

Despite the negative tone of the title I actually am encouraged by the survey.  Needs a bigger sample size.  But it says 22% of people that have never used bitcoin plan to use it in the future.  Only 5% have used it but will not use it again.  Showing most people that use bitcoin keep using it.  

What does this mean, "use bitcoin?"

I think it's important for every single person reading this to understand that Bitcoin cannot survive as an illusion. All adopters need to get real and fathom exactly what's at stake. There is no minority anywhere outside the bitcoin community that would use bitcoin to purchase standard durable goods.

This is why. Bitcoin is like a token system that allows you to buy tokens in exchange for cash. Everyone would rather have cash, but the only way to play the machines at the fun park is with tokens. That's how bitcoin works. The only way to buy drugs online is with Bitcoin tokens.

Here's the important part. People will never take an extra step to do something. That would be dumb and wasteful. Why would anyone jump through hoops to buy bitcoin so they can then run out and buy something that they could have already bought with the debit card in their pocket?

The key to making bitcoin whole again is to focus on what matters - wages. "Pay a man in bitcoin, and you've fed a man for life."



You make excellent points, and those folks who view bitcoin through rose-colored glasses would do well to listen.  Part of me thinks the only utility BTC has is in those so-called dark markets.  Until wages are paid in BTC and goods and services are priced in BTC, there won't be mass adoption because as you said, there will be no need to jump through that extra hoop.

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June 27, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
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If anything, too many people in that survey has used bitcoin or is planning to, not too few. The thing is, if bitcoin is already used by 100% of the population, then while that sounds like an impressive number, what it really means is that bitcoin has no more room for growth, and it only has potential for a ~3 billion marketcap. Pretty insignificant.

What would be good, is that a very very small percentage of the population uses bitcoin. That would imply that there is still a lot of room for growth.
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June 27, 2015, 05:23:58 AM
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Only 5% have used it but will not use it again.
Did they mentioned any specific reason why those 5% people will not use it again, and also to be noted that what sort of professional status they belongs to and where they come from, those feedback will counts to evaluate those retired bitcoin users.

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June 27, 2015, 06:17:47 AM
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Let me summerise the survey results:

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752 respondents

51% never used bitcoin and NO plans to use it
22% never used bitcoin and plans to use it
22% uses or used it and will use again
5%  used it in the past and will NOT use again

So 44% of surveyed have plans to use it in the future. That is actually a very encouraging percentage for bitcoin! That means Goldman Sachs is against bitcoin because they chose a pessimistic title.


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June 27, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
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Let me summerise the survey results:

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752 respondents

51% never used bitcoin and NO plans to use it
22% never used bitcoin and plans to use it
22% uses or used it and will use again
5%  used it in the past and will NOT use again

So 44% of surveyed have plans to use it in the future. That is actually a very encouraging percentage for bitcoin! That means Goldman Sachs is against bitcoin because they chose a pessimistic title.


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so what is the reason behind this survey carried out by Goldman Sachs if they are agains bitcoin? Probably this result isn't as they expected. From this survey, bitcoin still have a lot of potential to grow. They need to change their mind now. Bitcoin will be a good opportunity for them.

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June 27, 2015, 06:14:33 PM
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51% never used bitcoin and NO plans to use it
22% never used bitcoin and plans to use it
22% uses or used it and will use again
5%  used it in the past and will NOT use again

For me, it seems like they conducted the survey among a tech savvy group, rather than taking all the different demographic clusters in to account. 27% has already used Bitcoins. But we know that there are less than 1 million Bitcoiners in the world right now, accounting for about 0.01% of the world population. So how this 27% figure is possible?
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June 27, 2015, 07:07:38 PM
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Let me summerise the survey results:

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752 respondents

51% never used bitcoin and NO plans to use it
22% never used bitcoin and plans to use it
22% uses or used it and will use again
5%  used it in the past and will NOT use again

So 44% of surveyed have plans to use it in the future. That is actually a very encouraging percentage for bitcoin! That means Goldman Sachs is against bitcoin because they chose a pessimistic title.


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Once they get used to it and see the benefits they will definitely use it, I definitely see this survey % to change in the favor of Bitcoin shortly.

As more and more retailers accept Bitcoin it will encourage newbies to find out about it and start using it. Existing ordinary retailers where you can already use Bitcoin like Starbucks must be enticing people to enquire about Bitcoin. After a few more big retailers like that accept Bitcoin the percentage surveyed will change in favor of Bitcoin.
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