Unobtanium Guild / UN-EX Discussion

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[BitcoinCharlie]

This is a forum to discuss the any questions / concerns about the Guild / UN-EX.

Fire away!

[siameze]

Posting here so my bot will pick it up and I can see replies via chat. Carry on!

[BitcoinCharlie]

Cool, I'm not very tech savvy. Is that something that sends you the text of the discussions? What is it called?

[gustav]

Suggestion1: keep Un-ex completely open and without any rules BUT implement escrow and tardelimits for newcomers
Suggestion2: make clear rules who is allowed and who isn't, what would be a reason to be excluded later and what would happen to the listed offers and so on... if you want rules for a more exclusive club-thing you still need to write them down for people to see (like: "has to own Uno", "needs to have clean track record" and so on)

but in any case try to not arbitrary ex- or include people based on someones personal preference or otherwise we'll probably be running in upset people on the uno thread all the time because if people buy and hold uno and then are in some ways excluded based on personal preferences, that'll backfire pretty sure again and again.

Well, i'm out. Need to get some sleep before western civilisation collapses. Laterz!

[BitcoinCharlie]

Yeah, tomorrow or today (depending on where one is) is going to be a very interesting day. The ATMs are already out of money!  

[siameze]

Cool, I'm not very tech savvy. Is that something that sends you the text of the discussions? What is it called?

Just This Open-Source Bot and a python plugin I wrote to track feeds here, on reddit, etc.

My thoughts on UNEX: I enjoyed my time there, it has potential to be a thriving otc marketplace, which is what all true lovers/developers of cryptocurrency should be aiming for. My advice? Base it on a WoT model, one can view all the positive/negative remarks about a trader in that manner and make decisions on their own.

[birty555]

Cool, I'm not very tech savvy. Is that something that sends you the text of the discussions? What is it called?

Just This Open-Source Bot and a python plugin I wrote to track feeds here, on reddit, etc.

My thoughts on UNEX: I enjoyed my time there, it has potential to be a thriving otc marketplace, which is what all true lovers/developers of cryptocurrency should be aiming for. My advice? Base it on a WoT model, one can view all the positive/negative remarks about a trader in that manner and make decisions on their own.

Would you mind sharing that plugin? Been trying to create something to do that myself without much (any!) luck

[gustav]

Yeah, tomorrow or today (depending on where one is) is going to be a very interesting day. The ATMs are already out of money!  

Forget sleep! Overrated! Still pretty calm after lower opening.

But back on topic:
thought about it: if you start with rules there is probably no end to it because if you start setting out rules for one aspect you likely will have to set rules for other aspects too and then rules for what happens when rules aren't followed. Effectively in the end of the day you need a judge and a lawyer. Too much.
Probably the best to go with 'open for all' without looking at character only at reputation for honesty and maybe require some amount of coins to be shown. Better put some escrow and tradelimits for beginners in place for protection of course. People with more coins owned can actually get a slight bonus in reputation for example as it serves their own interest to behave honestly in that environment. (just an idea)

We need to remember: on the one hand the service is publically advertised so then on the other hand one shouldn't tell people who do own bulks of coins (not even those that only hold smaller amounts) to not be able to use said service 'because they are rogue elements' or whatever other crap.
Because if you publically advertise a service that's not really open to the public (only those that aren't perceived  as such 'unliked persons' to the standard of some arbitrary other person) then we get in trouble with butthurt people all over the place which we don't need and which is avoidable. To tell some people "you're in" and others "you're not in" is complete BS and will only create trouble without end as it stirrs emotions with people who are for arbitrary reasons not 'let in'.

If you want to deny access on basis of 'personal feelings' and perception, then you can't advertise it publically because lots of butthurt and mudslings. But doing it not public is also not an option.
So i personally think we're basically stuck with 'let everyone in' and get safeguards like escrow and such into place to protect trading, also a better structure to that reputation system would be good because right now it looks completely arbitrary too (or at least last time i looked).
Some table for what tradereputation is earned when would be also good there. Some transparency and shit, you know? We should get away from anything that mixes trading and personal liking and disliking of participants very quickly as that's no way to work actually. It'll create heaps of trouble with emotions otherwise and probably would sink the whole thing sooner or later.
So i'd suggest: get the safeguards for trading up, write everything down in an introduction for people to read, make the reputation system free of personal like and dislike by making it transparent, applicable, comprehensible and clear cut, well and then let Gekko in of course. Just moderate him if he starts shouting insults at people and all is good. But let that man trade otherwise he's gonna be upset and would actually have a valid reason for it.

Behaviour of people/ character needs to be not subject to anyones' judgement because that will almost always lead to people feeling discriminated and who says the perception of the 'judge' is correct? It can't be correct all the time and likely is never correct. You end up with broke, friendly scammers indoors and upset real holders outdoors possibly. Complete arbitrary BS. It's not an option for a publically advertised thing. Basically you can't say a person can't trade bcause he or she doesn't express themselves in a way that everyone else likes.
Look, if i go on cryptsy trollbox and tell the mod to eat a dick he will ban me from talking in the box but not from trading. That's the thing. If Gekko in this example spouts insults on you, moderate him, but his trading and his character can not go together. That needs seperation for trading without discrimination, with accessibility and to not be arbitrary, really.

So that's my recommendation to clean the thing up a little: Get the personal stuff out of trading, open for all, no rules or low rule besides safeguards for trading and a transparent reputation system. Kicking people from trading should only be possible if they scam or try to scam. Kicking people from talking should be handled completely seperately so that way it should be possible to resolve this issue, no?

Getting human judgement out of the equation especially when it comes to ability to trade will serve us well imo. Human judgement is flawed and emotionally charged and it creates trouble when you have one person telling another person what he or she can and can't do and on top of it money is involved. Make everything quantifyable and free of human judgement and interpretation as much as possible and it'll work sweet imo. (maybe try to bring in good objectivity and transparency -> quantify, write down)
Subjective Face-check at the door has no future, really. It'll only create endless discussions, butthurts and upset people. It's not working.

my 2c

edit: if you want exclusivity, tie it to amounts of coins held or amount of coins traded and not to human perception as that ends in discrimination and emotional dogpoop. (an example for what i mean with 'quantifyable' and  'objective')
If you desire to have VIPs, tie that to coins or tradeactivity or something else that's quantifyable, not human perception, cheers

[IMZ]

Morning. There is a detail, undisclosed, that will make sense of all this. It may be time to ask cragv to provide it: I didn't ban Gekko. I am not in charge.

A close reading of months and months of Reddit posts, and of my PMs, will reveal that I worked hard to welcome/appease Gekko.

It is entirely untrue that this is some sort of IMZ/Gekko tiff.

Mark

[IMZ]

I'll bow out at this point. The discourse here has drifted far from the anthropological ideas that underpinned the experiment. Thanks for your patient post, Gustav.

Mark

[IMZ]

Here's the last 15 hours of posts from Gekko to me on Reddit. He's now posting beyond Reddit Unobtanium:

"Delete the Un-Ex threads as I have instructed, or the UNO 2200 sell wall is on you.

Your "mob" is inside traders in UNO and you are a criminal whack-case. Jail is in your future. Learn the fucking LAW about inside trading.

Have you disclosed your mental problems on BTCtalk? Your refering to yourself in the third person indicates delusions of grandeur. You are mentally ill. People in UNO don't like you as much as you think they do. They are polite, because there is obviously something wrong with your head. They write to me about it.

It's because you inside trade , you dishonest prick.

Or the 33 Bitcoin sell wall goes up tomorrow, and it is your ego's fault. You will destroy uno's upside, you egotistical prick."

[siameze]

This is all another nail in UNO's coffin I think, I very much liked the guild and am surprised you all are going to shutter it. No one bats an eye at dev concerns I raised, and now this. I am glad I relegated myself to an observer, and did not go all in on the project. The little UNO I now have and might acquire in the future will stay in CS and will never be compatible with any future releases.

Welcome to the future of unobtanium. It will be a 3rd-tier shitcoin just like many others. Thanks for proving to me so soon that this community is no different than any other alt community.

[cragv]

Mark: I've had the pleasure of talking with you on the phone many times since 2013. You're one of the most upstanding and honest blokes I know. We're closing things down with grace and going peacefully about our business, as always. No tantrums, insults, threats or drama. (I don't think there's anything to worry about from the other side of the fence anyway - on Reddit, anything that doesn't cop up-votes or new posts will fade into obscurity pretty quickly so there's no real harm in leaving threads open or posts in existence, surely!). Please try to let the unnecessary drama be as water off a duck's back, use the Ignore button if you must, and be happy.

siameze: your disappointment adds to my own. I'm truly sorry things didn't turn out for Cg. It was a grand experiment with big aspirations and I've sunk probably 200+ hours and at least several hundred dollars into building things in the past half year. The past day or two was nothing more than a timely nudge to close a creation that simply failed to get momentum. We've put all of our energy into it but have been stagnating, despite our best efforts. Indeed, the existence of this little thread here rather than being posted on the Guild is one example of why it's being put down in its current form.

We obviously don't quite have all the pieces and/or timing right, and that's okay. There's an exceptional community here that is respectful and open in discussions with each other - obnoxious and bullying behaviour is represented by a small minority - and it'll be my pleasure to stick around and think and build in the near future. It may not be Cryptoguild or Un-Ex in name, but I'm happy to be here

(Edited a little for clarity: side note, I respected but didn't quite understand your concerns about the new dev - we needed help getting apps built, but the coin and its distribution is well and truly established. As noted in the main thread last week, I don't believe our community would tolerate scam-like behaviour from devs).

[siameze]

siameze: your disappointment adds to my own. (Side note, I didn't get the dev concerns - we needed help getting apps built, but the coin and its distribution is well and truly established. As noted in the main thread last week, I don't believe our community would tolerate scam-like behaviour from devs). I'm truly sorry things didn't turn out for Cg. It was a grand experiment with big aspirations and I've sunk probably 200+ hours and at least several hundred dollars into building things in the past half year. The past day or two was nothing more than a timely nudge to close a creation that simply failed to get momentum. We've put all of our energy into it but have been stagnating, despite our best efforts. Indeed, the existence of this little thread here rather than being posted on the Guild is one example of why it's being put down in its current form. We obviously don't quite have all the pieces and/or timing right, and that's okay. There's an exceptional community here that is respectful and open in discussions with each other - obnoxious and bullying behaviour is represented by a small minority - and it'll be my pleasure to stick around and think and build in the near future. It may not be Cryptoguild or Un-Ex in name, but I'm happy to be here

You already have tolerated it by putting CaptChadds name on the official site. Use some of this free time you have now the guild is closed to do research.

I really have nothing left to say. You guys can tell me I'm way off base or whatever. Same thing happened to me years back when I was the lone voice dissenting TradeFortress and inputs.io See how that turned out.

There is really no point in me continuing to read or participate in these circlejerk threads about UNO, so I'll simply unsubscribe. When I announced I was leaving UNO no one here besides yourself and IMZ gave two shits about what I had to offer the community, so c'est la vie.

[cragv]

Your presence and contributions have been discussed by 4 people that I know of, outside of the internet. Inherent to the Cryptoguild experiment was a low volume of dicsussion in recent times, but that wasn't to say you were ignored. Much discussion, creativity and hopeful planning goes on over the phone with we excitable Aussies. The fact of the Guild being closed down with nae more than a whimper online might hint at this. Your contributions matter and are truly valued. I admire your work and honestly hope you do hang around UNO for some time. As the saying goes, please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Regarding devs, you may well be able to school me on this - I may not understand the harm CC's simple presence here could do to the community or the coin's reputation. Any insight on dishonest dealing with or around UNO would be hugely appreciated, and not just by me, I'm sure.

Thanks again for your thoughts tonight, siameze. All the best to you, whichever path you take from here. You'll be missed, should that be away from UNO! -Craig.

[siameze]

I appreciate the vote of confidence, you and IMZ are some of the most honest blokes I know - I echo your sentiments above. I am getting more and more absorbed into this new bitcoin project every day so I really have less time for alcoins anyway. Now that the guild is closing, my development of the all-in-one wallet for BTC, UNO, and DVC is pointless.

UNO is a great concept, but has little appeal for me when a few people hold the majority of coins, and one loud-mouth runs the whole show with a few thousand dollars worth of coin and the sheeple follow. Not for me. I like where I am now, with people that understand how cryptography and finance works, though their community shoehorns all alts as scams. I am beginning to think this is the proper viewpoint.

It is a waste of my energy and resources to continue. Perhaps if I get some free time, I'll scam a few people LIKE THIS and use sed skills to clone a few extreme altcoins. Maybe then I'll be considered as material for the UNO community.

As I told IMZ in an email a few days ago, truth has no expiration date.

[gustav]

People shouldn't take Gekko too serious imo.

He's ranting, so what?

Also i don't get why you would close down the guild?

[BitcoinCharlie]

People shouldn't take Gekko too serious imo.

He's ranting, so what?

Also i don't get why you would close down the guild?

I know the guild took a lot of time and money to operate. I understand that if one is not getting traction, one backs off the gas for a bit. Maybe they can shelf it for six months and then return to it...

As for Gekko, I've worked with guys like that for years. The point with which I take issue has to do with your living room analogy. I'm not looking to be in my living room, but at the same time, we profess $UNO to be the pinnacle of crypto.

If that is the case, as a newcomer, do you expect discussions that resemble a walk into an NFL locker room at half time? The language and brow-beating are over the top...that behaviour is simply unprofessional.

If I were new and popped in and saw that, I'm not sure that I would have stuck around.

[gustav]

People shouldn't take Gekko too serious imo.

He's ranting, so what?

Also i don't get why you would close down the guild?

I know the guild took a lot of time and money to operate. I understand that if one is not getting traction, one backs off the gas for a bit. Maybe they can shelf it for six months and then return to it...

As for Gekko, I've worked with guys like that for years. The point with which I take issue has to do with your living room analogy. I'm not looking to be in my living room, but at the same time, we profess $UNO to be the pinnacle of crypto.

If that is the case, as a newcomer, do you expect discussions that resemble a walk into an NFL locker room at half time? The language and brow-beating are over the top...that behaviour is simply unprofessional.

If I were new and popped in and saw that, I'm not sure that I would have stuck around.

Totally agree that Gekko needs to be reminded of at least half decent language. Insulting people shouldn't be happening on daily basis. Completely on the same ship there. While i personally don't care about the language and am able to handle it i can imagine other people have serious trouble with such behaviour.  
Shouldn't be happening this way.
The thing is he makes valid points but uses bad expression so moderation is likely a headache for knife.


While i personally wasn't using the guild a lot and actually think some things could be improved (mentioned above) i wouldn't like seeing it close down. Why even shelf it for 6 months? Maybe because people are upset, ok, understandable. Well, maybe some people just need a little break from things.
But i would urge people to try said discussion about goals and mode of operation of the guild and possible improvements. I thought it would be good to develop that idea some more. We ran just into trouble with the politics of excluding 'unfriendly' people. I believe some solutions in some ways that satisfy everyones' needs could be found imo.


This thread is in the wrong section btw. Moving it to 'alt discussion' or 'altcoin service discussion' or somewhere else is probably more appropriate?

[BitcoinCharlie]

This thread is in the wrong section btw. Moving it to 'alt discussion' or 'altcoin service discussion' or somewhere else is probably more appropriate?

LMAO, I am so inept on computer message boards, I have no idea how to move it. Is there a way?

As for the uproar about the Guild, it really took me by suprise as I had never heard anyone utter a negative word about it. Then, all of a sudden, there's a Gekko tidal wave of ultra-violence about it!  Suddenly, it's over with. I'd traded several times in several media there, always with success. If someone posted a price that stunk, one simply didn't buy...

[gustav]

This thread is in the wrong section btw. Moving it to 'alt discussion' or 'altcoin service discussion' or somewhere else is probably more appropriate?

LMAO, I am so inept on computer message boards, I have no idea how to move it. Is there a way?

As for the uproar about the Guild, it really took me by suprise as I had never heard anyone utter a negative word about it. Then, all of a sudden, there's a Gekko tidal wave of ultra-violence about it!  Suddenly, it's over with. I'd traded several times in several media there, always with success. If someone posted a price that stunk, one simply didn't buy...

thread move, no idea. Maybe somewhere in settings, edit ... no idea ... or mod will when he sees it. When you put in title [please move to xy] it'll certainly happen?  

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Yeah, no idea. 'Group dynamics' i'd say.

I think IMZ has been upset by Gekko. I really hope he can take a breath, man up and continue doing his thing. We'd probably just have to find some way to include Gekko into the trading there that does not involve IMZ having to deal with Gekko, right?

I really liked that off-exchange orderbook and was thinking about putting orders up there before. Thought it was a good thing and especially precious metals trading is a very important field to develop for Uno.

[siameze]

especially precious metals trading is a very important field to develop for Uno.

The idea the Guild had behind precious-metals trading was the one I liked best when I started my UNO research.

[learminer]

As for the uproar about the Guild, it really took me by suprise as I had never heard anyone utter a negative word about it. Then, all of a sudden, there's a Gekko tidal wave of ultra-violence about it!  Suddenly, it's over with. I'd traded several times in several media there, always with success. If someone posted a price that stunk, one simply didn't buy...

Same here, I'm actually still a bit in shock how all of this played out. Personally I was not going to remove the guild from the site, nor was FK. The only reason it is gone is that you called it quits (and I happened to be working on the site at that time to fix the cryptsy API bug). So if you want to take a break, tweak the concept and return at a later time in a new form, we're all open for it.

@siameze I also posted in the main thread that I was very sorry to see you leave and am actually glad you're still around in some form, even if it is in an entirely different and much more sceptical mood. Good luck on your new bitcoin project. As for this community, it can only be as good as the people that choose to stay and participate. If you think one or even a few rotten apples means the entire tree is sick, well then bitcoin is probably also not a good place for you to be. The number of prominent bitcoin scams, thefts and unsavory behaviour that community has been responsible puts every other coin to shame. Just sayin' ...

[siameze]

As for the uproar about the Guild, it really took me by suprise as I had never heard anyone utter a negative word about it. Then, all of a sudden, there's a Gekko tidal wave of ultra-violence about it!  Suddenly, it's over with. I'd traded several times in several media there, always with success. If someone posted a price that stunk, one simply didn't buy...

Same here, I'm actually still a bit in shock how all of this played out. Personally I was not going to remove the guild from the site, nor was FK. The only reason it is gone is that you called it quits (and I happened to be working on the site at that time to fix the cryptsy API bug). So if you want to take a break, tweak the concept and return at a later time in a new form, we're all open for it.

@siameze I also posted in the main thread that I was very sorry to see you leave and am actually glad you're still around in some form, even if it is in an entirely different and much more sceptical mood. Good luck on your new bitcoin project. As for this community, it can only be as good as the people that choose to stay and participate. If you think one or even a few rotten apples means the entire tree is sick, well then bitcoin is probably also not a good place for you to be. The number of prominent bitcoin scams, thefts and unsavory behaviour that community has been responsible puts every other coin to shame. Just sayin' ...

afaik, there hasn't been a bitcoin core dev that has such a background. Sure Gavin Andresen is a smacktard, but he and his reddit army are in for a good fight. Most of the scams, thefts, and generally unsavoury behavior you mention is 3rd parties, natural to any economy. A community can only stay vigilant and warn others in that respect.

If I discovered that one of the bitcoin core devs had at any point been involved in such undertakings, I might have a different view. If at some point this whole fiasco is sorted, the UNO community can expect my tireless assistance at any time. Crypto is my day job, so it isn't like I have anything else distracting me.

[cragv]

I think you shouldn't close the guild, you should actually improve on how it operates maybe? I don't think being upset and closing it down is the right choice. People should work out some solutions and have an open and respectful discussion about goals, purpose and how it operates on the other thread maybe?

Closing the Guild had nothing to do with emotions and indeed, almost nothing to do with Gekko and his latest round of rants. The phone calls that preceded the closure were just like usual; regular, level-headed and amicable. No defeat, no resignation, no surprise or even loss associated with this move. The experiment has run its course and yesterday was a suitable time to let it go (Gekko may have helped with timing, but that's about it). The people are still around, we're just wiping the slate and moving forward with what we've learned.

gustav in particular, you've got a lot of ideas about what should and shouldn't work in a p2p trading group. Consider giving it a try, you'll learn a lot, I guarantee it! Thanks for the dialogue and see you guys around the boards. Cheers.

[Krypto Superdog]

can't believe you guys shut down the guild just because one guy was talking shit.

i was reeeaaalllly hoping his bluff would be called, or his position would be bought out.

can't believe you guys let him win

[cragv]

can't believe you guys shut down the guild just because one guy was talking shit.

Obviously this is not the case. This talk of winning and losing and drama is creating something from nothing. Review our posts from the last few days about the project slowly and organically departing from its original vision and you'll see this to be true. Cheers.

[learminer]

As for the uproar about the Guild, it really took me by suprise as I had never heard anyone utter a negative word about it. Then, all of a sudden, there's a Gekko tidal wave of ultra-violence about it!  Suddenly, it's over with. I'd traded several times in several media there, always with success. If someone posted a price that stunk, one simply didn't buy...

Same here, I'm actually still a bit in shock how all of this played out. Personally I was not going to remove the guild from the site, nor was FK. The only reason it is gone is that you called it quits (and I happened to be working on the site at that time to fix the cryptsy API bug). So if you want to take a break, tweak the concept and return at a later time in a new form, we're all open for it.

@siameze I also posted in the main thread that I was very sorry to see you leave and am actually glad you're still around in some form, even if it is in an entirely different and much more sceptical mood. Good luck on your new bitcoin project. As for this community, it can only be as good as the people that choose to stay and participate. If you think one or even a few rotten apples means the entire tree is sick, well then bitcoin is probably also not a good place for you to be. The number of prominent bitcoin scams, thefts and unsavory behaviour that community has been responsible puts every other coin to shame. Just sayin' ...

afaik, there hasn't been a bitcoin core dev that has such a background. Sure Gavin Andresen is a smacktard, but he and his reddit army are in for a good fight. Most of the scams, thefts, and generally unsavoury behavior you mention is 3rd parties, natural to any economy. A community can only stay vigilant and warn others in that respect.

If I discovered that one of the bitcoin core devs had at any point been involved in such undertakings, I might have a different view. If at some point this whole fiasco is sorted, the UNO community can expect my tireless assistance at any time. Crypto is my day job, so it isn't like I have anything else distracting me.

Good to hear and I agree to your point about the bitcoin core devs. Some food for thought, thanks for bringin some perspective to this discussion.

[BitcoinNational]

People shouldn't take Gekko too serious imo.

He's ranting, so what?

I know the guild took a lot of time and money to operate. I understand that if one is not getting traction, one backs off the gas for a bit. Maybe they can shelf it for six months and then return to it...

those are 2 key points.

The other one: "Public vs. Private"

Rethink. Reframe.  Private Enterprise that just happens to favor UNO as the reserve unit of credit.

can't believe you guys shut down the guild just because one guy was talking shit.

i was reeeaaalllly hoping his bluff would be called, or his position would be bought out.

can't believe you guys let him win

So a single hitler-troll is able to do this?  

Agree, and in due time, the community (at least the core) will to be able to make the call.

But imagine you're IMZ and dealing with a madman willing to crash the market just to get his way.
It is a heavy burden, if it comes down to a shoot out.  

Personally I wouldn't mind the market taking a hit if in the long run it lances the boil.

[siameze]

I for one could give two shits about Gekko's rants. Being professional doesn't always mean that you will be insulated from curses, threats, etc. Most pros don't care, despite the fact that yes, some newcomers will nope right the fuck away from UNO when they read such nonsense. I am definitely a proponent of free speech, so by all means be as rude and foul-mouthed as you wish. Bear in mind that you can seldom take back what you say online however, and that at any point in the future someone might quote you and it will require eating those words. Simply put, say what you mean, and mean what you say. It makes it much easier for people like me to pick out the real pros, and those capable of intellectual thought that don't let pure emotion rule.

[BitcoinCharlie]

But imagine you're IMZ and dealing with a madman willing to crash the market just to get his way.
It is a heavy burden, if it comes down to a shoot out. 

Personally I wouldn't might the market taking a hit if in the long run it lances the boil.

I can say with complete confidence that his actions would not crash the market...

[balu2]

His 2k coins are a non-issue. He's not going to sell for a loss and if he would market would rebound quickly. I don't see why people would give in to blackmail. One does not let terrorists have their way because if you do they will have higher demands next time around. Everyone knows that.

I think closing the guild is not the correct move. Maybe let it rest for a little if people are too heated up but in the end of the day we need a place to trade our silver and gold for coins... So even if you close it PM trading will still be ongoing in one way or another so why not just leave it open?

[BitcoinCharlie]

Also, it is important to note, the Guild didn't close because one person talked trash. It closed b/c the moderators believed that it had run it's course and it was taking a lot of each's personal time and financial resources.

In any event, if people would like to do off-exchange transactions, the UNO-EX BCT page is still available:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757232.1980