Christian bakers fined $135,000 for refusing to make wedding cake for lesbians

[bryant.coleman]

If they are running a business, then they should be a professional who accept every customers, doesn't matter who the customers are. The main point is, the customers like your product and your business is going up. It's okay if the shop owners have their rights to choose their customers, but I guess the business won't get success.

You can't walk in to a Jewish run bakery, and demand that they make a birthday cake with Nazi decorations. When someone tried that, not only he had his cake denied, but all of his children were taken away from him and placed under foster-care.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-devil-worshipping-n-father-fighting-custody-adolf-hitler-article-1.1367217

Now law should be equal to everyone. If the sodomites can have their cake, then why can't the Nazis?

[jayce]

You can't walk in to a Jewish run bakery, and demand that they make a birthday cake with Nazi decorations. When someone tried that, not only he had his cake denied, but all of his children were taken away from him and placed under foster-care.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-devil-worshipping-n-father-fighting-custody-adolf-hitler-article-1.1367217

Now law should be equal to everyone. If the sodomites can have their cake, then why can't the Nazis?

Well Jewish do that because Nazi has made terrible things to their predecessor. So, what the gays have done to the cake shop owner? The gays never do anarchy in society I guess, then you need to differ Nazi with gays people.

[bryant.coleman]

Well Jewish do that because Nazi has made terrible things to their predecessor. So, what the gays have done to the cake shop owner? The gays never do anarchy in society I guess, then you need to differ Nazi with gays people.

OK... for now, let's leave the Nazi part. A few days ago, Walmart decided not to sell cakes, with the confederate flag on it. Some 25-30% of the American population is directly descended from the Confederate soldiers, and for them the confederate flag is something which celebrates their heritage. And going by your logic (Walmart should be professional, accepting every single customer), Walmart has no right to deny them the Confederate cake.

[saddampbuh]

What about #3? So you are agreeing that most of the gays are pedophiles?

most homosexuals may not be paedophiles but most paedophiles are homosexual

[TECSHARE]

I just hope that other conservatives will step in and donate, to help Aaron and Melissa.

Why do you hope that?   I have quite a few gay friends and it is a very hard thing for someone to have to go through life like that.   They have 3 choices, 1) Hide the fact that they are gay and go though life spiteful and miserable, 2) Actually be gay out in the open and live life happily, or 3) become a catholic priest.

Whether or not it makes people uncomfortable, people should not be afraid to be who they are.   You may tell yourself that being gay is a "choice", but the 400% increase in suicidality among gays seems to suggest otherwise.

Why does he hope that? Maybe because this whole family doesn't deserve to have their entire life destroyed because two women had to go to another retailer to get the services they wanted. I am sure that is a scar that will last a lifetime. Its not like they denied them medical treatment. Its not like they assaulted them. As far as I know they were completely polite but refused services on the grounds that is violated their religious beliefs. Doesn't it seem a little moronic to you that one should remove the rights of one person to protect the rights of another? Furthermore, now the baker is responsible for all the ACTUAL bigotry perpetrated against homosexuals in their lifetime now?

[jayce]

Well Jewish do that because Nazi has made terrible things to their predecessor. So, what the gays have done to the cake shop owner? The gays never do anarchy in society I guess, then you need to differ Nazi with gays people.

OK... for now, let's leave the Nazi part. A few days ago, Walmart decided not to sell cakes, with the confederate flag on it. Some 25-30% of the American population is directly descended from the Confederate soldiers, and for them the confederate flag is something which celebrates their heritage. And going by your logic (Walmart should be professional, accepting every single customer), Walmart has no right to deny them the Confederate cake.

Better example. But, do you know about the civil war behind the confederate flag? I think there are US people who have bad experience with that civil war. If you can give me an example that never involve any war, that would be great.

[bryant.coleman]

You may tell yourself that being gay is a "choice", but the 400% increase in suicidality among gays seems to suggest otherwise.

Blah blah blah... Now straight people are responsible for gays committing suicide? They have no problem with marching around naked in front of little children, and performing sodomy in the open. But suddenly, these people will commit suicide if someone denies them a cake? Considering the number of pedophiles and HIV-positive people among the gays, it does not surprise me that the suicide rate is higher among the LGBTs.

[giantdragon]

I am wondering why these bakers just didn't refused making cake on the grounds of overflow of the order list. They could tell these lesbians that they have already a bunch of unfinished work and cannot accept more orders now.

[jayce]

I am wondering why these bakers just didn't refused making cake on the grounds of overflow of the order list. They could tell these lesbians that they have already a bunch of unfinished work and cannot accept more orders now.

In otherwise, I am wondering why the lesbian couple didn't go to other cake shop then. I think there are many cake shop in Oregon, and I guess among them there must be same-sex marriage supporter.

[bryant.coleman]

In otherwise, I am wondering why the lesbian couple didn't go to other cake shop then. I think there are many cake shop in Oregon, and I guess among them there must be same-sex marriage supporter.

The lesbian couple selected this particular shop after much planning. They know that the shop was run by religious people who don't approve of the LGBT propaganda. And after a well planned operation, they got themselves richer by some $135,000. Perhaps they will give $35 K to Avakian, but that still leaves them with a hundred grand.

[Gervais]

If they are running a business, then they should be a professional who accept every customers, doesn't matter who the customers are. The main point is, the customers like your product and your business is going up. It's okay if the shop owners have their rights to choose their customers, but I guess the business won't get success.

You can't walk in to a Jewish run bakery, and demand that they make a birthday cake with Nazi decorations. When someone tried that, not only he had his cake denied, but all of his children were taken away from him and placed under foster-care.

Look how you actually ignore the facts and twist things to suit your own perverse and ignorant argument. Look at the very first sentence of that article:

Heath Campbell's ex-wife tells horrifying tale of beatings and abuse against their children as the Nazi-crazed father on public assistance fights to regain visitation rights to see Hons Heinrich, Adolf Hitler, Aryan Nation and Honz­lynn Jeannie.

He didn't have his kids taken away from him for the cake, he had them taken away because he's a wife and child beating unfit father from the sounds of it. Someone who names their kids  Adolf Hitler & Aryan Nation obviously doesn't care about them that much.

[jayce]

The lesbian couple selected this particular shop after much planning. They know that the shop was run by religious people who don't approve of the LGBT propaganda. And after a well planned operation, they got themselves richer by some $135,000. Perhaps they will give $35 K to Avakian, but that still leaves them with a hundred grand.

So do you think the couple did that purposely? And you still blaming the owners of cake shop because their religion principals? You just made a good idea for the same-sex couples to get some bucks in US.

[bryant.coleman]

So do you think the couple did that purposely? And you still blaming the owners of cake shop because their religion principals? You just made a good idea for the same-sex couples to get some bucks in US.

Yes. I think that the "victims" targeted that particular shop after much planning. These discrimination lawuits are big business in the United States, especially in the liberal states such as Oregon and Washington. That said, I don't have a very good opinion on the religious nuts either. This situation could have been avoided, had the bakers handled it a little bit more intelligently.

[miki77miki]

I'm all for gay marriage and such and I believe as long as two people are consenting the government has no right to stop them. But at the same time I believe anyone should have the right to refuse buisness to ANYONE for ANY reason. That bakery doesn't allow gay people to purchase cakes? Go to the one down the street, in the other town and give them your business. The only real way to stop this is hurting buisness owners in the worst place possible, their wallet.

[jjacob]

But at the same time I believe anyone should have the right to refuse buisness to ANYONE for ANY reason.

You will soon have segregation if that kind of logic is allowed. 

[saddampbuh]

You will soon have segregation if that kind of logic is allowed. 

at least this liberal is honest and admits that whites only accept blacks in their communities because they are forced to, usually liberals pretend a multiracial society is what the majority of people actually believe in

[protokol]

What about #3? So you are agreeing that most of the gays are pedophiles?

most homosexuals may not be paedophiles but most paedophiles are homosexual

You posted the other day that one third of victims of paedophilia are male. Now you say that most paedophiles are gay. Get your facts right.

On topic, this is a dumb case, but they've obviously gone for the maximum payout because they knew that stories like this are super-popular with the media. Did they plan the incident? It's certainly possible but we should probably get some evidence before accusing them of that.

I have no problem with gay marriage, but this does seem disproportionately harsh on the bakers. On the other hand, business rules are pretty strict in supposedly free countries like the USA and UK, so they should have known that this was a bad idea. They have five kids as well, these breeders shouldn't be turning anyone's business down. At least the gays aren't contributing to the overpopulation problem, in fact they're actively helping by adopting unwanted kids. Ha, went a bit off topic there... 

[saddampbuh]

You posted the other day that one third of victims of paedophilia are male. Now you say that most paedophiles are gay. Get your facts right.

the third is only what we know, its going to be a lot higher because boys are less likely to report that these unseemly things were done to them

also not everyone who is attracted to kids will act on their urges, not every queer at the "pride" march got to fuck that half naked 10 year old boy who was twerking and give him aids but you can bet your left testicle they wanted to, they're still paedophiles

[Wilikon]

Christian Man Asks Thirteen Gay Bakeries To Bake Him Pro-Traditional Marriage Cake, And Is Denied Service By All Of Them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=32&v=ptgAKywiHG0

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Christian Man Asks Thirteen Gay Bakeries To Bake Him Pro-Traditional Marriage Cake, And Is Denied Service By All Of Them