63% of all the HIV infections in the United States occurs among the Sodomites

[bryant.coleman]

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

I am tired of arguing with you. Perhaps in your country, women are not physically attracted to men. But in my country that is not the case, as has been going on for the past 1 million years. I don't need to refer research articles written by lesbians such as Meredith Chivers to find that out. Any kid with an IQ of >60 would be able to do so. And an advice for you - why just limiting this LGBT theory to the women? Go ahead and say that all the men and women are bisexual. So there will be no straight people left in the world. Pathetic.

[celestio]

It can be seen as natural selection. Sure.

This is natural selection.

According to various studies, somewhere from 1% to 4% of the American population is LGBT. According to the National Health Interview Survey (NHIS, July 2014), 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent considered themselves bisexual.

That amounts to a total of 2.3%. That means that out of the 242,542,967 adults, some 2.3% or 5,578,488 are gay. Of them 1 million are infected with HIV.

This means that 16.76% of all the LGBT are infected. It seems that HIV infection rate is lower among the lesbians, when compared to the gays. So my guess is that 3.5% of the Lesbians are infected by HIV, while some 30% of the gays are infected by the same virus.

How short are you? Are you wealthy or poor(Likely the latter since you're in a sig compaign), ehm, are you physically attractive or ugly? Can you take care of a family? No? Then you're part of this natural selection.

This so called "natural selection" of yours is everywhere, most straight couples have HPV and that'a a std transmitted through contact such as kissing.

"HPV (the virus): About 79 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. About 14 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that most sexually-active men and women will get at least one type of HPV at some point in their lives."

[celestio]

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

I am tired of arguing with you. Perhaps in your country, women are not physically attracted to men. But in my country that is not the case, as has been going on for the past 1 million years. I don't need to refer research articles written by lesbians such as Meredith Chivers to find that out. Any kid with an IQ of >60 would be able to do so. And an advice for you - why just limiting this LGBT theory to the women? Go ahead and say that all the men and women are bisexual. So there will be no straight people left in the world. Pathetic.

How much do I have to tell you, it doesn't matter what country. This is something biological, not mental. Just like how straight males get erect when viewing an attractive, naked women, so do "straight" women get aroused by viewing a attractive, naked woman(but not man). Your own views on homosexuality means that you despise more than half the people living on this planet. You probably grew up to some faulty, crackpot religion. But oh well, that's natural selection for you.

Keep living in denial, Dr Meredith Chivers is romantically "straight" and married to a man. Your lies are pretty pathetic. This is biology kiddo, go learn it. You have no clue about the male or female body, yet have the audacity to talk about sex and std's and etc.

The studies done on male sexuality show that males are likely to be either gay or straight. The studies done on female sexuality show that there is no such thing as a straight women, sexually.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

[celestio]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

[celestio]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

What you're saying is also not true because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form. Guess what that means? That means that the whole story about how women are overly shown in the media and that has an effect on sexuality, is entirely false.

It has nothing to do with social upbringing, because gay men in these studies were only sexually attracted to other men. Your theory would hold up if they weren't but they are, so you're wrong.

The fact is that all biological females on this planet are bisexual, there is no if's or but's and the OT is against homosexuality of that kind(women laying with woman), so therefore, god purposely made women bisexual only to restrict their sexual desires? What a nice, benevolent god you have there /s.

If you want to test this firsthand yourself, get any woman you want, and bring them to a sexologist and have their arousal "tested"(blood flow to the vagina) when looking at pictures/videos of nude women, and see what happens. It's a fact, plain and simple.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

What you're saying is also not true because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form. Guess what that means? That means that the whole story about how women are overly shown in the media and that has an effect on sexuality, is entirely false.

It has nothing to do with social upbringing, because gay men in these studies were only sexually attracted to other men. Your theory would hold up if they weren't but they are, so you're wrong.

The fact is that all biological females on this planet are bisexual, there is no if's or but's and the OT is against homosexuality of that kind(women laying with woman), so therefore, god purposely made women bisexual only to restrict their sexual desires? What a nice, benevolent god you have there /s.

If you want to test this firsthand yourself, get any woman you want, and bring them to a sexologist and have their arousal "tested"(blood flow to the vagina) when looking at pictures/videos of nude women, and see what happens. It's a fact, plain and simple.

I already discussed the other points about homosexuality and demonic forces, you just don't believe them. I've given examples that can explain these results in another way. But I always knew you wouldn't believe it.

[funtotry]

I think thats quite a reasonable argument in why gay people generally are banne dfrom blood donation. Their blood is the same as anyone else, but they have  MUCH higher chance of being infected, so theres not really a reason to do it.

[celestio]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

What you're saying is also not true because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form. Guess what that means? That means that the whole story about how women are overly shown in the media and that has an effect on sexuality, is entirely false.

It has nothing to do with social upbringing, because gay men in these studies were only sexually attracted to other men. Your theory would hold up if they weren't but they are, so you're wrong.

The fact is that all biological females on this planet are bisexual, there is no if's or but's and the OT is against homosexuality of that kind(women laying with woman), so therefore, god purposely made women bisexual only to restrict their sexual desires? What a nice, benevolent god you have there /s.

If you want to test this firsthand yourself, get any woman you want, and bring them to a sexologist and have their arousal "tested"(blood flow to the vagina) when looking at pictures/videos of nude women, and see what happens. It's a fact, plain and simple.

I already discussed the other points about homosexuality and demonic forces, you just don't believe them. I've given examples that can explain these results in another way. But I always knew you wouldn't believe it.

So then according to your logic, all women on this planet have demonic forces in them? Wow, interesting theory you have there. What a nice god to have implanted demons in all biological females on earth /s.

Also stop trying to slyly maneuver the conversation. Your initial proposal was that it was environmental factors that led to female bisexuality, to which I obviously shown you to be wrong since gay men aren't sexually attracted to the female form. You only mentioned "demonic forces" in regards to "changing sexuality". So you have nothing to say, and are now going on a random tangent about demonic forces, of which you hardly mentioned.

Look, if you have nothing thoughtful to say, and are going to act like a child that dances around, cease responding.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

What you're saying is also not true because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form. Guess what that means? That means that the whole story about how women are overly shown in the media and that has an effect on sexuality, is entirely false.

It has nothing to do with social upbringing, because gay men in these studies were only sexually attracted to other men. Your theory would hold up if they weren't but they are, so you're wrong.

The fact is that all biological females on this planet are bisexual, there is no if's or but's and the OT is against homosexuality of that kind(women laying with woman), so therefore, god purposely made women bisexual only to restrict their sexual desires? What a nice, benevolent god you have there /s.

If you want to test this firsthand yourself, get any woman you want, and bring them to a sexologist and have their arousal "tested"(blood flow to the vagina) when looking at pictures/videos of nude women, and see what happens. It's a fact, plain and simple.

I already discussed the other points about homosexuality and demonic forces, you just don't believe them. I've given examples that can explain these results in another way. But I always knew you wouldn't believe it.

So then according to your logic, all women on this planet have demonic forces in them? Wow, interesting theory you have there. What a nice god to have implanted demons in all biological females on earth /s.

Also stop trying to slyly maneuver the conversation. Your initial proposal was that it was environmental factors that led to female bisexuality, to which I obviously shown you to be wrong since gay men aren't sexually attracted to the female form. You only mentioned "demonic forces" in regards to "changing sexuality". So you have nothing to say, and are now going on a random tangent about demonic forces, of which you hardly mentioned.

Look, if you have nothing thoughtful to say, and are going to act like a child that dances around, cease responding.

All people who sin have demonic forces affecting them (that's everyone). Whenever someone sins they let demonic forces in, in some way (not easily detectable for sure!). That's not God adding them, that's sin making us fall from God's grace. If you believe in Jesus (and forgive others), you can ask for forgiveness, and be freed from any consequences of sinning. My initial proposal was the demonic forces can change people's perceived and shown sexuality (as a man losing his breasts when he was freed). I also attempted to show you reason in addition to that.

Men who clearly show tendencies one way, are going to show those tendencies when tested. (my first post, that covers the gay men that show up as gay) Those women who are straight, are showing tendencies based upon social conditioning. (second post)

I know some Christians may even be shocked to hear that theory, but it was the bible that clearly states Jesus drove out demons. To not believe in demonic forces, would be to not be following the bible.

[celestio]

You know what that article on jezebel says? It talks about romantic attraction, not sexual. Sexual attraction defines you sexuality no matter how you look at it, and every single study done on female sexuality shows there there is No such thing as a straight woman. Want to test it yourself? Get your mother, daughter, aunt, whatever, to go to sexologist and have their arousal "rate" taken while watching lesbian porn. Wake up and smell the coffee body, because over 50% of people on this earth are Bisexual. Dr Meredith Chivers identifies as a "straight woman" romantically, she has a husband. So stop lying please, you seem all the more childish and pathetic. In fact, did I type correcty? Every single study done on female arousal since the Kinsey era in the 1960s shows that all biological women are bisexual. Not just Dr Chivers, every one. Take a quick google or read a few books, it'll help you.

The studies don't show women are lesbians, they show that women are not sexually attracted to males physically, but they are very sexually attracted to other women physically. This means on a sexual level, they are bisexual.

All those religions that talk against homosexuality are wrong, or has a evil god who seeks to suppress the true sexuality of females, and that's been confirmed by science.

Knowing full well you won't believe this, I simply am going to post this as an alternative reasoning for the skewed results. This also shows that Christians should be tolerant of those who sin (no matter what the sin), and pray for them. Not hurt them (physically or emotionally) for sinning.

From Archives of Sexual Behavior, VoL 6, No. 5, 1977

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Rogue%20Theories/Exorcism/Exorcism%20of%20Transsexualism.html

The case features a man, who felt he should be a women. Psychiatrists had him dressing up as a women during the day to see if that went well, and acting like a woman. They got to the point they said he should have the surgery to fully become a woman.

"The physician shared with the owner of the restaurant a fundamental Protestant religion quite foreign to John, who had been brought up as a Baptist but was not religious. The physician administered a total physical exam and said that he could live quite well as a woman, but the real problem was possession by evil spirits. After some discussion of this, John reported a session which lasted 2-3 hr and involved exhortations and prayers over John by the physician and laying on a hands on John's head and shoulders. During this period, John reported fainting several times and arising to the continuing of the prayers and exhortations, resulting in the exorcism of 22 evil spirits which the physician called by name as they left his body. During and after this session John felt waves of God's love coming over him but was physically drained. A letter to us, from the physician, confirmed this basic process. The physician noted in his letter that he showed John that his life was a fake and that Jesus could redeem him and that a standard prescription of Scripture readings caused the spirit of the woman in John to disappear.

Immediately after the session John announced he was a man, discarded his female clothes (hiding his breasts as best he could), and went to the barber shop to have his long hair cut into his current short, masculine style. After this session John returned home and live with his mother for approximately 2 weeks but remembers the beginning of some doubts about his conversion and the reoccurrence of some feminine feelings. At this point he accompained his employer to services of a very well-known faith healer in another state where the miracles that he saw renewed his faith and reaffirmed the correctness of his decision. After waiting 3 hr in line, he confronted the healer who told the patient that he was having sexual problems (having perhaps seen his breasts?) and began the healing process, including praying and laying on of hands once again. During this period, which John estimated as 10 or 15 min, he fainted, regained consciousness, fainted again, and, as he stood to step off the platform down into the audience, realized that his breasts were gone."

Then there are some charts showing his gender reversal scores.

" Examination revealed no residual gynecomastia, although the interval of time between cessation of hormonal therapy and examination was adequate for this "shrinkage" to occur naturally.

He started dating several months later, and at the last interview in December 1975 reported that he had dated approximately ten gifts intermittently but had dated one girl for an extended period of time. He reported some sexual arousal toward these girls but did not masturbate, nor did he consider sexual intercourse, because of his religious beliefs. He did admit having some sexual thoughts of males for several months after returning from his faith healing, but attributed these to the Devil and has not had thoughts of men for almost 2 years. He continued to do extremely well in his job, benefiting from- several promotions, and was looking forward to getting married."

In this particular "convo", I'm talking about non-personalized behavior. I don't care about what the man thinks or feels, I'm talking about our very biology, our very sexuality. Transgender-ism is not a sexuality, in-case you didn't know. So what you've put here is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

You can't take someone's word for anything regarding sexual acts, as shown by the studies done, many participants lie about their attractions. You have to use instruments to record their arousal, and that's what's been done on males and females. Sexologists may take some account of their own feelings into play, but it's entirely miniscule compared to actually recording their sexual arousal. When it comes to just sexual arousal, there is No such thing as a straight female, and since sexuality is primarily defined by sexual attraction, that means that means heterosexuality in biological females does not exist. Romantic and sexual attraction are two very different things, with the former being somewhat flexible and the latter simply being out of our control.

You should also note that the biggest organizations that were focused on "changing people's sexuality through faith", all shut down. It doesn't work, not even a bit, and actually causes negative effects on the participants.

I understand what you're saying about instruments testing things. It was said already that women have been conditioned by the world to see the naked female body more than male. I've always wondered while watching tv and movies, why there is soooooooooooooooo much female nudity and barely any male nudity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/women-film-study-annenberg_n_1107899.html
http://www.bustle.com/articles/50955-why-there-should-be-more-male-nudity-on-tv-starting-with-game-of-thrones
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/sexual-politics-full-frontal-nudity-hbos-hit-television-shows-84737

"Differences in the hyper sexualization of male and female characters were explored. Females (30.2%) were far more likely than males(9.7%)to be shown in sexualized attire(i.e., tight or revealing clothing). Females (29.5%) were more likely than males to be shown with partial or full nudity (11.7%). It was also the case that females were more likely than males to be referenced as physically attractive (13.2% vs. 2.4%)"  (link)

So, lets go back to why women are more bi than males in this study you're citing.

Either:
1) Women are really more bi than men because of something innate
or
2) Women are showing up as more bi than men, because of their social upbringing

I think it is far more likely that it's from their social upbringing, otherwise why wouldn't males show up as just as "bi" as women are?


As for the Christian "Re-programing" ... it doesn't shock me that it didn't work out. People are sinful and do things incorrectly, shaming someone for something they think is themselves, if a horrible approach. Also no matter of praying will stop demonic forces if the person doesn't believe in Jesus and doesn't want to change.

What you're saying is also not true because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form. Guess what that means? That means that the whole story about how women are overly shown in the media and that has an effect on sexuality, is entirely false.

It has nothing to do with social upbringing, because gay men in these studies were only sexually attracted to other men. Your theory would hold up if they weren't but they are, so you're wrong.

The fact is that all biological females on this planet are bisexual, there is no if's or but's and the OT is against homosexuality of that kind(women laying with woman), so therefore, god purposely made women bisexual only to restrict their sexual desires? What a nice, benevolent god you have there /s.

If you want to test this firsthand yourself, get any woman you want, and bring them to a sexologist and have their arousal "tested"(blood flow to the vagina) when looking at pictures/videos of nude women, and see what happens. It's a fact, plain and simple.

I already discussed the other points about homosexuality and demonic forces, you just don't believe them. I've given examples that can explain these results in another way. But I always knew you wouldn't believe it.

So then according to your logic, all women on this planet have demonic forces in them? Wow, interesting theory you have there. What a nice god to have implanted demons in all biological females on earth /s.

Also stop trying to slyly maneuver the conversation. Your initial proposal was that it was environmental factors that led to female bisexuality, to which I obviously shown you to be wrong since gay men aren't sexually attracted to the female form. You only mentioned "demonic forces" in regards to "changing sexuality". So you have nothing to say, and are now going on a random tangent about demonic forces, of which you hardly mentioned.

Look, if you have nothing thoughtful to say, and are going to act like a child that dances around, cease responding.

All people who sin have demonic forces affecting them (that's everyone). Whenever someone sins they let demonic forces in, in some way (not easily detectable for sure!). That's not God adding them, that's sin making us fall from God's grace. If you believe in Jesus (and forgive others), you can ask for forgiveness, and be freed from any consequences of sinning. My initial proposal was the demonic forces can change people's perceived and shown sexuality (as a man losing his breasts when he was freed). I also attempted to show you reason in addition to that.

Men who clearly show tendencies one way, are going to show those tendencies when tested. (my first post, that covers the gay men that show up as gay) Those women who are straight, are showing tendencies based upon social conditioning. (second post)

I know some Christians may even be shocked to hear that theory, but it was the bible that clearly states Jesus drove out demons. To not believe in demonic forces, would be to not be following the bible.

So now you're just making up bullshit. The Catholic Church has less than 100 exorcisms every year. If you believe in demons and angels, etc, then the # of demons on Earth is extremely small and most people definitely do not have "demonic forces affecting them".

I already told you that social conditioning has nothing to do with it, because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form that you so believe to have an effect on sexuality. You're simply wrong...in everything. Accept it.

You're making zero sense, I don't even know why I continue bothering to respond to you...Well I'm a bit bored and it's always interesting to respond to irrational/illogical people such as yourself.

[Wilikon]

I think thats quite a reasonable argument in why gay people generally are banne dfrom blood donation. Their blood is the same as anyone else, but they have  MUCH higher chance of being infected, so theres not really a reason to do it.

FDA plan: Gay men who abstain from sex may be allowed to give blood

Gay men who've abstained from sex for one year would be able to donate blood in 2015, ending a lifetime ban for the gay community, under a proposed FDA policy change unveiled Tuesday.

The current lifetime ban by U.S. Food and Drug Administration states dates back to 1983 and forbids men who have had sex with men from becoming blood donors because the group is "at increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by transfusion," the FDA has ruled.

But the FDA is now seeking a change in that policy and would allow such blood donations based on an independent expert advisory panel's recommendation, the agency said.

The proposed change would align the one-year deferral period "with that of other men and women at increased risk for HIV infection," the FDA said.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/23/health/fda-blood-donation-proposal-gay-men/


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FDA: "Please make sure you swear to tell the truth and the whole truth when giving your blood... Thank youuuuuuu"

FDA is saying gays belong to a high risk and should stop being gay for one year before giving blood. That is the way I read it.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

So now you're just making up bullshit. The Catholic Church has less than 100 exorcisms every year. If you believe in demons and angels, etc, then the # of demons on Earth is extremely small and most people definitely do not have "demonic forces affecting them".

I already told you that social conditioning has nothing to do with it, because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form that you so believe to have an effect on sexuality. You're simply wrong...in everything. Accept it.

You're making zero sense, I don't even know why I continue bothering to respond to you...Well I'm a bit bored and it's always interesting to respond to irrational/illogical people such as yourself.

1) The number of demons on Earth is not small.

One third of all angels are fallen angels, from an innumerable amount of angels (too many to count):

Hebrews 12:22 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels

Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 "How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?"

legion meaning a unit of 3,000–6,000 men in the ancient Roman army or a vast host, multitude, or number of people or things. And of course by the time Jesus said that the angels who He would have called, their number was 2/3 of all angels (since 1/3 were fallen).

2) The number of demons should never be related to how many exorcisms there are a year in the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church over the years has tended to shy away from granting them when asked. They have left people who may have benefited from it, to fend for themselves over and over. It may be out of fear of looking foolish. You changed your tone when I mentioned demons existing as the bible says they do. Lots of people do.

3) However, exorcisms are on the rise. Exorcism Thriving in U.S., Say Experts, How Pope Francis and the Vatican deal with the devil (2014).

Also I never said all people are possessed, which is usually what exorcism brings to mind. Just that there are demonic forces that get a little more power with every sin (oppression versus possession). Asking for forgiveness for those sins takes away their power.

If anyone is interested, Christians are looking into deliverance from other Christians versus an exorcism from the Catholic Church. Deliverance can be peaceful, just asking for forgiveness and prayers, etc.

"Though many people confuse deliverance with exorcism, they are not the same.....Deliverance ministries seek to remove any influences that allow the demon to take control over the individual. The individual must take responsibility and be involved in the process" (Deliverance ministry)

The man who was going to have the sex change operation was prayed for, and had a lessening of impure thoughts of men, and started to get sexually attracted to women and was looking forward to getting married to a wife. It's the only reason I bring it up. Just wanted to counter your theory with another theory. You can call it crackpot all you like, but it would be a bit disingenuous for me to say I believe the bible and ignore Jesus calling out demons and commanding His followers to do the same in the future.

Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues"

[bryant.coleman]

Gay men who've abstained from sex for one year would be able to donate blood in 2015, ending a lifetime ban for the gay community, under a proposed FDA policy change unveiled Tuesday.

If they honestly abstain from sex for more than one year, then they can be allowed to donate blood. After all, the window period for HIV is around three to six months. Infections older than that can be easily identified through a simple blood test. But how we will be sure whether these people are lying or not? After all, they had knowingly created the first HIV epidemic (California) in the 1980s, by donating infected blood.

[WEB slicer]

it has nothing to do with being Homosexual.......

[protokol]

Would like to know your opinion about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexualities:_A_Study_of_Diversity_Among_Men_and_Women

Though influential, and sometimes seen as a classic work, many of its findings have become dated due to social changes since its publication.

(First paragraph, last sentence)
Notice the use of the word dated, implying that the information is incorrect in the current era. But yeah I'm sure that a book from 1979, a time where homosexuality was widespread considered a sin, is the most reliable source to your argument.

While I'm not going to dispute homosexuals having several partners, heterosexuals are no different.

There's a lot of ambiguous stats being thrown around in here, this is how I'm interpreting them:

I do believe that gays are more segregated from mainstream society. This means that when they do get together in clubs etc, then they are more likely to hook up with other gays and have one-night-stands etc. This would have been especially true in the 70s, when this study was performed.

An analogy for a heterosexual would be if it was socially unacceptable to chat girls up in the street, but once a week there's a party which all the hot girls go to specifically to hook up with you - you'd be inclined to indulge, right? I imagine it feels like you're a kid in a candy shop.

Also, gay men probably have similar sex drive to hetero men, so this would make them promiscuous. All of these things, together with the fact that anal sex is more likely to lead to AIDS, and that men don't have vaginas, explains to me why the statistic is so high in the gay demographic.

It seems that some of you are saying that gays are inherently physiologically more likely to catch AIDS. I don't think there's any evidence to support this, feel free to prove me wrong.

Regarding the ban on blood donation, I feel that it is morally justified to stop people from a high-risk demographic giving blood. However, I don't see why they couldn't be tested for HIV first, and then allowed to donate after a negative result.

[bryant.coleman]

Regarding the ban on blood donation, I feel that it is morally justified to stop people from a high-risk demographic giving blood. However, I don't see why they couldn't be tested for HIV first, and then allowed to donate after a negative result.

Not as simple as that. There is a window period for the HIV virus, which can range from 3 months to 6 months. During this window period, the HIV virus will remain invisible in the blood. If a newly infected person donates his blood even before this window period (i.e before 6 months after he got infected), then there is a chance that the recipient will become HIV +ve.

[celestio]

So now you're just making up bullshit. The Catholic Church has less than 100 exorcisms every year. If you believe in demons and angels, etc, then the # of demons on Earth is extremely small and most people definitely do not have "demonic forces affecting them".

I already told you that social conditioning has nothing to do with it, because gay men are not sexually attracted to the female form that you so believe to have an effect on sexuality. You're simply wrong...in everything. Accept it.

You're making zero sense, I don't even know why I continue bothering to respond to you...Well I'm a bit bored and it's always interesting to respond to irrational/illogical people such as yourself.

1) The number of demons on Earth is not small.

One third of all angels are fallen angels, from an innumerable amount of angels (too many to count):

Hebrews 12:22 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels

Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 "How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?"

legion meaning a unit of 3,000–6,000 men in the ancient Roman army or a vast host, multitude, or number of people or things. And of course by the time Jesus said that the angels who He would have called, their number was 2/3 of all angels (since 1/3 were fallen).

2) The number of demons should never be related to how many exorcisms there are a year in the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church over the years has tended to shy away from granting them when asked. They have left people who may have benefited from it, to fend for themselves over and over. It may be out of fear of looking foolish. You changed your tone when I mentioned demons existing as the bible says they do. Lots of people do.

3) However, exorcisms are on the rise. Exorcism Thriving in U.S., Say Experts, How Pope Francis and the Vatican deal with the devil (2014).

Also I never said all people are possessed, which is usually what exorcism brings to mind. Just that there are demonic forces that get a little more power with every sin (oppression versus possession). Asking for forgiveness for those sins takes away their power.

If anyone is interested, Christians are looking into deliverance from other Christians versus an exorcism from the Catholic Church. Deliverance can be peaceful, just asking for forgiveness and prayers, etc.

"Though many people confuse deliverance with exorcism, they are not the same.....Deliverance ministries seek to remove any influences that allow the demon to take control over the individual. The individual must take responsibility and be involved in the process" (Deliverance ministry)

The man who was going to have the sex change operation was prayed for, and had a lessening of impure thoughts of men, and started to get sexually attracted to women and was looking forward to getting married to a wife. It's the only reason I bring it up. Just wanted to counter your theory with another theory. You can call it crackpot all you like, but it would be a bit disingenuous for me to say I believe the bible and ignore Jesus calling out demons and commanding His followers to do the same in the future.

Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues"

Again, this is all personalized and your opinion(Obviously wrong). The catholic church disagrees with you, there's less than 100 exorcisms a year. So you're obviously wrong on the fact that there's a lot of "demons" on earth. The reason why there's so little exorcisms(I also highly doubt any of the exorcisms performed by the church have anything to do with "supernatural demons") is because 99% of people claiming to be possessed actually have had some sort of mental illness, and has been treated with medication, not faulty "exorcisms".

Bisexual males aren't common, at least according to studies done on male sexuality. Males are either straight or guy, mostly. However, all studies done on female sexuality show that biological females are all Bisexual.

Therefore, according to your logic, god made males superior to females in the fact that if they were born straight/heterosexual, then they're not sinning in the eyes of god. But females don't have such luxury, right? So that means every female is a sin itself in the eyes of god.


Just admit it, as this pathetic argument is getting tiresome and you'e answered none of my points, and instead referring to opinionated information with no objective basis.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Again, this is all personalized and your opinion(Obviously wrong). The catholic church disagrees with you, there's less than 100 exorcisms a year. So you're obviously wrong on the fact that there's a lot of "demons" on earth. The reason why there's so little exorcisms(I also highly doubt any of the exorcisms performed by the church have anything to do with "supernatural demons") is because 99% of people claiming to be possessed actually have had some sort of mental illness, and has been treated with medication, not faulty "exorcisms".

Bisexual males aren't common, at least according to studies done on male sexuality. Males are either straight or guy, mostly. However, all studies done on female sexuality show that biological females are all Bisexual.

Therefore, according to your logic, god made males superior to females in the fact that if they were born straight/heterosexual, then they're not sinning in the eyes of god. But females don't have such luxury, right? So that means every female is a sin itself in the eyes of god.

Just admit it, as this pathetic argument is getting tiresome and you'e answered none of my points, and instead referring to opinionated information with no objective basis.

I'd believe the bible over the Catholic Church any day. I already gave reasons, but because of your closed-mind you won't listen to it. My theory is a combination of demonic influences and media influences. But since you ignore one, you can't see it a whole theory. That's ok. I never thought you'd believe it. I just wanted to post another alternative to the theory of yours.

I fully know you think you're right 100%. I don't agree, and I bet many people reading don't believe the conclusion for those results. They may believe the results, but the conclusion doesn't fit. If it was true that all women were bi, ignoring demonic influences, then all men should be bi too. Can you even give a logical reason why men wouldn't be bi in your opinion?

I figured I'd give another theory that explains the results, the only reason I posted in this thread.