We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin...

[greyhawk]

It's like pretending that dollar banknotes r just sheets of paper.

But they are just sheets of paper, wait for hyperinflation to happens and they will be good for heating 

Actually it's a sheet of cotton weave. At least in Europe.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Anybody want to point to a particular statute, in any Western country, that demonstrates open source software that can transfer and store random numbers securely is illegal?

Bitcoin is NOT illegal ... and I'll be very surprised if any legislature anywhere can come up with a statute that can make bitcoin illegal without destroying the common law framework civilised, liberal, property-right respecting societies are founded upon.

A lot of trojans and viruses considered to be open-source software (u can get sources) and look like random numbers (polymorphism trick). But u'll be punished if u try to send them to someone else.

U can't pretend that bitcoins r just random numbers. It's like pretending that dollar banknotes r just sheets of paper.

What are you arguing here? Bitcoin is malware?

Edit : want to link to a github repo of "trojans and viruses"? It is completely voluntary you want to run it on your computer or not.

Edit : bitcoin addresses and keys pretty much are random numbers ... that's math.

[Come-from-Beyond]

What are you arguing here? Bitcoin is malware?

Edit : want to link to a github repo of "trojans and viruses"? It is completely voluntary you want to run it on your computer or not.

Edit : bitcoin addresses and keys pretty much are random numbers ... that's math.

U look at bitcoin as chunks of raw data. But it's information (interpreted data = information). If the state decides that Bitcoin is illegal u can't say it's "destroying the common law framework". If it was so then prohibiting to store child porno would be considered as "destroying the common law framework" as well.

[marcus_of_augustus]

What are you arguing here? Bitcoin is malware?

Edit : want to link to a github repo of "trojans and viruses"? It is completely voluntary you want to run it on your computer or not.

Edit : bitcoin addresses and keys pretty much are random numbers ... that's math.

U look at bitcoin as chunks of raw data. But it's information (interpreted data = information). If the state decides that Bitcoin is illegal u can't say it's "destroying the common law framework". If it was so then prohibiting to store child porno would be considered as "destroying the common law framework" as well.

It is.

[mobile4ever]

Citation from the last conference material (http://shadowlife.cc/files/btcotc.pdf (slide #18)):

We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin, we should not ask the state to resolve conflicts in the community.

What should we do then?

Do what free men have always done. Fight for what is right. There are two forms of government:

• You can think and be responsible for your own actions.
  
  
• You can allow others to to think and be responsible for your actions.

Which do you choose?

[tvbcof]

Do what free men have always done. Fight for what is right. There are two forms of government:

• You can think and be responsible for your own actions.
  
  
• You can allow others to to think and be responsible for your actions.

Which do you choose?

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.

[mobile4ever]

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.

It can be black and white. It depends on the personality and training.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.    ~ Winston Churchill

[tvbcof]

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.

It can be black and white. It depends on the personality and training.

I've no doubt that brain structure plays a big role in one's propensity to view things as 'black/white' or 'infinite shades.'  I've observed it first hand in my own family even, and it is deeper than simple native intelligence.

But 'black/white' is a much more simple strategy and handy if one wishes to (or needs to by necessity of lower cognitive ability) avoid considering the nearly infinite tangential factors which shape most aspects of our world.  Thus, it is a well represented mode of thought at such 'training' institutions as your average seminary, madrassa, Misses Institute, etc.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.

It can be black and white. It depends on the personality and training.

I've no doubt that brain structure plays a big role in one's propensity to view things as 'black/white' or 'infinite shades.'  I've observed it first hand in my own family even, and it is deeper than simple native intelligence.

But 'black/white' is a much more simple strategy and handy if one wishes to (or needs to by necessity of lower cognitive ability) avoid considering the nearly infinite tangential factors which shape most aspects of our world.  Thus, it is a well represented mode of thought at such 'training' institutions as your average seminary, madrassa, Misses Institute, etc.

back-handed passive agressive ... why don't you show some spine and just come out and say you have hang-ups with Austrian economics?

Black/white boundaries are what is needed in the engineering world to make all your shiny toys work ... shades of grey are pretty to think about but do not put food on the table, or gas in your tank, if you know what I mean.

Relativism is a lovely fantasy world ... until you get poor.

[stochastic]

Private Military Company

Call it the NSS (Not Sure if Serious)

I was thinking more along the lines of BitForce Gamma (BFG)

Private Military Company

Operating globally ? Do you need a Partner ?

We will certainly entertain applications from all nations, races or religions (except vegetarians).

How about Grey Water?

A still more attractive and more likely solution is advance contracting between the agencies. Under this scenario, any two agencies that faced a significant probability of such clashes would agree on an arbitration agency to settle them-a private court. Implicit or explicit in their agreement would be the legal rules under which such disputes were to be settled.

Seriously though, I think what is needed is along your lines, but for most members of the community to form trade/consumer/advocacy organizations that form contracts with each other to insure their members in case their members do something "illegal" under the contract that they agreed to.  The groups would also tell its members who to and not to do business with.  If someone opened an investment company but would not join one of the trade groups, then the investor consumer group would tell its members not to do business with that person as if they are defrauded there would be no repercussions if they are the victims of fraud.