How much Bitcoin to move to the UK/USA ?

[RappelzReborn]

I wouldn't say that I have basically no other options I'am thinking about , there is actually .
for what comes to China & India I guess there is huge culture difference , certaintly on food and stuff and as I said I'am a muslim so there is a lot of things I cant eat  , same goes for USA & UK but you guys have Halal fast foods and restaurants so I'am good to go but for Asian countries it's even worst since they eat weird stuff (to me ,not offending their culture)  , My other two options are Canada & France however and even if there is a lot of Algerians there and I have been told by some friends who go in holidays there (france) that algerians and arabs there help each other so I can't get screwed up most likely ... but still problem of racism and as we can see lately alot of crap going since charlie hebdo and they blame muslims on it .
and for what comes to Canada , no informations really , never knew someone from there

[gentlemand]

I would agree with this, its challenging enough being born in the UK and living here, i cant imagine moving here.  Yes it is one of the safer countries to live but i wouldnt choose it if i wasnt born here. 

Try a couple of internships in the Central African Republic and then report back.

[WhatTheGox]

I would agree with this, its challenging enough being born in the UK and living here, i cant imagine moving here.  Yes it is one of the safer countries to live but i wouldnt choose it if i wasnt born here. 

Try a couple of internships in the Central African Republic and then report back.

Meh, knew i'd get that.  I never said anything about picking any unsafe or unstable country.  Are you saying you'd pick UK if you could choose to be born/live anywhere?

[gentlemand]

Meh, knew i'd get that.  I never said anything about picking any unsafe or unstable country.  Are you saying you'd pick UK if you could choose to be born/live anywhere?

Yup. Lots of culture. Lots of variety. Close to Europe. It's politically stable. There aren't any animals, weather or very many humans who want to kill me. Compared to other European countries, let alone anywhere else, corruption is low and the law might actually work on your behalf if you ever need it. Religion isn't shoved in your face. Water comes out of taps on command and you can drink it too. If my life totally falls apart there's a good chance I'll be housed and prevented from starving.

Within two hours of where I am I can be in London or several other cities or If I'm not in the mood for that I can wander forests, beaches, valleys and not see another soul for the whole day. If I was in rural Nebraska I might see a slightly different shade of corn in that travel time.

I've spent lots of time in the US. I would have to be paid a very substantial amount of money to move there. I've spent lots of time in other EU countries. They've all got their issues too.

A mate of mine used to bitch constantly about the UK. He bitched about it from the luxury of his subsidised house, car and tax credits while his children went to their free schools. He went to India and pretty much licked the runway when he got back.

Compared to almost any other time in human history, life in somewhere like the UK is an unfettered paradise.

Where would you prefer to be?

[greBit]

for what comes to China & India I guess there is huge culture difference , certaintly on food and stuff and as I said I'am a muslim so there is a lot of things I cant eat

India ranks second in the most populated place in terms of Muslims. It has so so so many muslims there, you can fit into the culture so easily. There are so many mosques, good street food and a lot of religious places in New Delhi for muslims. Here is a list of places you would be comfortable to live at, considering your religion and your practices: http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-muslim-populations-map.html

[WhatTheGox]

Meh, knew i'd get that.  I never said anything about picking any unsafe or unstable country.  Are you saying you'd pick UK if you could choose to be born/live anywhere?

Yup. Lots of culture. Lots of variety. Close to Europe. It's politically stable. There aren't any animals, weather or very many humans who want to kill me. Compared to other European countries, let alone anywhere else, corruption is low and the law might actually work on your behalf if you ever need it. Religion isn't shoved in your face. Water comes out of taps on command and you can drink it too. If my life totally falls apart there's a good chance I'll be housed and prevented from starving.

I've spent lots of time in the US. I would have to be paid a very substantial amount of money to move there. I've spent lots of time in other EU countries. They've all got their issues too.

A mate of mine used to bitch constantly about the UK. He bitched about it from the luxury of his subsidised house, car and tax credits while his children went to their free schools. He went to India and pretty much licked the runway when he got back.

Compared to almost any other time in human history, life in somewhere like the UK is an unfettered paradise.

Where would you prefer to be?

UK would be in my TOP 10 picks and you make good points. What i dont like is the media/royals/stuffy political system/stuffy culture/shitty housing market/no space/everyone over worked. The UK people i find fantastical/clueless and far to into our country. Its difficult to actually find someone to talk to who has a decent perspective on life, maybe this is the result of years of too much privilege.  We stand still in the UK change takes ages.

I would probably pick canada or the best of scandinavia above UK to be born, i agree they would still have problems.  To move to.... if i could make a living online so i didnt have to be located anywhere for work and im young... i would move somewhere like thailand or a similar semi stable cheap country.  When young some things matter less, i know brits very happy who have even moved to places like bulgaria, they were over worked in UK and now have retired early, they say its cheap overall, they can get referral to health specialist in a week!.   I would only live somewhere semi stable while i was young enough, live like a king and make money.   When i got older i would likely move to a politically stable country with good health care to live out years and die, UK would be ok at that point depending on state of healthcare at that time.  NHS isn't that great (only good for certain things) you need private care for decent care.

[needFREElunch]

Well if you plan to immigrate , go for US. Because the visa system is much more complicated in UK .Also you'd need hell load of pounds to start a fresh living in UK. Start with 2500$ a month in US. I've added an extra margin to your budget since you need to look for affordable accommodation and a decent salary job.

[gentlemand]

UK would be in my TOP 10 picks and you make good points. What i dont like is the media/royals/stuffy political system/stuffy culture/shitty housing market/no space/everyone over worked. The UK people i find fantastical/clueless and far to into our country. Its difficult to actually find someone to talk to who has a decent perspective on life, maybe this is the result of years of too much privilege.  We stand still in the UK change takes ages.

Agreed. I find if you filter out the media and only hang out with non arseholes, life becomes a whole lot more fun wherever you may be.

I would've thought the reason plenty of expats feel happier, and are maybe not aware of it, is that they don't understand the local news or inane gossip. And all the shit back home fades to irrelevance.

[WhatTheGox]

Meh, knew i'd get that.  I never said anything about picking any unsafe or unstable country.  Are you saying you'd pick UK if you could choose to be born/live anywhere?

Yup. Lots of culture. Lots of variety. Close to Europe. It's politically stable. There aren't any animals, weather or very many humans who want to kill me. Compared to other European countries, let alone anywhere else, corruption is low and the law might actually work on your behalf if you ever need it. Religion isn't shoved in your face. Water comes out of taps on command and you can drink it too. If my life totally falls apart there's a good chance I'll be housed and prevented from starving.

Within two hours of where I am I can be in London or several other cities or If I'm not in the mood for that I can wander forests, beaches, valleys and not see another soul for the whole day. If I was in rural Nebraska I might see a slightly different shade of corn in that travel time.

I've spent lots of time in the US. I would have to be paid a very substantial amount of money to move there. I've spent lots of time in other EU countries. They've all got their issues too.

A mate of mine used to bitch constantly about the UK. He bitched about it from the luxury of his subsidised house, car and tax credits while his children went to their free schools. He went to India and pretty much licked the runway when he got back.

Compared to almost any other time in human history, life in somewhere like the UK is an unfettered paradise.

Where would you prefer to be?

Just as another point and this may just be a general observation where we are at in human society evolution.....due to UK having a certain level of privilege (other countries might be same/similar) the skills needed for survival/being productive/flourishing can be higher here, the game stakes are higher, if you get me?

If you haven't had a good start in life in UK (parenting/schooling) you are pretty fucked here, you wont compete and you wont be having a "fun life" until you can compete. 

The safety nets in UK aren't as good as we might hope from such a privileged country.  They really aren't that safe due to nuances that come with the safety nets.   I'd never send my kids to a city state school in the UK for example - lamb to slaughter.

[RappelzReborn]

Well if you plan to immigrate , go for US. Because the visa system is much more complicated in UK .Also you'd need hell load of pounds to start a fresh living in UK. Start with 2500$ a month in US. I've added an extra margin to your budget since you need to look for affordable accommodation and a decent salary job.

Now I'am definitly confused , I know it's tow different countries but price can't be that different .
WhatTheGox said I need around 5000$ to stay for six months as a start (time to finda job etc ... ) and you are saying that I need 2500$ monthly or I can't live there as I said I know he was speaking about UK and you are speaking about US but it can't be that different

[gentlemand]

Now I'am definitly confused , I know it's tow different countries but price can't be that different .
WhatTheGox said I need around 5000$ to stay for six months as a start (time to finda job etc ... ) and you are saying that I need 2500$ monthly or I can't live there as I said I know he was speaking about UK and you are speaking about US but it can't be that different

It totally depends on the area you end up in and what standard of living you want. If you want your own apartment in San Francisco or New York then it might be thousands a month.

If you're sharing somewhere in the mid west then it might be $500 a month for a room.

Kansas - http://www.easyroommate.com/results-room/loc/1002721/pic/1

San Francisco - http://www.easyroommate.com/results-room/loc/1002001/pic/1

[WhatTheGox]

Well if you plan to immigrate , go for US. Because the visa system is much more complicated in UK .Also you'd need hell load of pounds to start a fresh living in UK. Start with 2500$ a month in US. I've added an extra margin to your budget since you need to look for affordable accommodation and a decent salary job.

Now I'am definitly confused , I know it's tow different countries but price can't be that different .
WhatTheGox said I need around 5000$ to stay for six months as a start (time to finda job etc ... ) and you are saying that I need 2500$ monthly or I can't live there as I said I know he was speaking about UK and you are speaking about US but it can't be that different

Yeah $5k or £3000 GBP would be a safe amount to move to UK imo, it really depends.  If i were you i'd try and make some friends if you cant get savings going without a job in wherever and maybe you can go for cheap, stay on the sofa maybe.  I have no idea on current immigration laws remember, or your ability to steal friends sofas for long periods

[Coinshot]

Well if you plan to immigrate , go for US. Because the visa system is much more complicated in UK .Also you'd need hell load of pounds to start a fresh living in UK. Start with 2500$ a month in US. I've added an extra margin to your budget since you need to look for affordable accommodation and a decent salary job.

why someone need to immigrate when he can earn online, i think immigrating is a thing of the past
tere are plenty of job online, and some pay in bitcoin, you can earn really well
and unless you live alone immigrating is not easy to do with a family, it will cost you plenty of money
to stabilize yourself in a new area

[eerygarden]

Alright . First of all this thread is not for trolling and only for serious people who are willing to help me with providing good informations .

I live in Algeria which is a rich country with oil , gaz and gold and other crap basically but it's still shit . I'am just a simple teenager with big dreams .
I may move to England or United State of America and I would like how much USD should I need or basically how much BTC do I need to move there (as a start) and what does it take to find a good or decent salary job and how easy/hard it is . (price for living monthly etc ... ) what ever you think it's necessary informations just throw them at me .

Pretty sure that this thread should belong into Economics because I'am speaking about Finance and money etc ... thank you

You say you have big dreams, but what is it that you dream of? I always wanted to travel when I was younger. I made plans with friends that never materialised and then finally went by my lonesome when I was 23. It was a great experience, but I eventually came home broke and had to start at the money game all over again.

Can you look ahead ten years and see what you want? If you can, be aware that what you want will probably evolve over time. If having a family is something that you want at some point in the future, then ask yourself what your main role will be in that family. If it is that of providing financially, then focus on that.

Frankly, this is all very grown up and as a teenager I suggest going to find some mischief to get up to and enjoying your mothers cooking whilst she still provides it for you.

edit: I didn't mean for that last bit to sound patronising. Keep dreaming and keep planning.

[Zorrocoin]

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

[greBit]

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

I think the initial months, he might have to pay much more than the usual but once he gets all settled in, I don't think he would have much issues. Just make sure your immigration goes easy, don't fuck around anything remotely illegal and find decent place to live. Try finding a job before leaving your country itself, as they might offer accommodation (If you plan to do something big in U.S, study first rather than come here and flip burgers).

[Miracal]

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

It takes much more than such a small amount to live in the U.S/U.K if you plan to lead an average life too. Homes are costly, you should try for hostels. You could seek help from any friends or relatives in the country otherwise. I would advise you to get a job before shifting, try studying hard and getting quality resume

[WhatTheGox]

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

It takes much more than such a small amount to live in the U.S/U.K if you plan to lead an average life too. Homes are costly, you should try for hostels. You could seek help from any friends or relatives in the country otherwise. I would advise you to get a job before shifting, try studying hard and getting quality resume

At the same time just as a point with studying... these mainstream style qualifications are going to become less and less relevant as time goes by.  I would choose very carefully if starting out on study again, you dont want to end up with a ton of debt and a useless degree.  

[Swordsoffreedom]

Alright . First of all this thread is not for trolling and only for serious people who are willing to help me with providing good informations .

I live in Algeria which is a rich country with oil , gaz and gold and other crap basically but it's still shit . I'am just a simple teenager with big dreams .
I may move to England or United State of America and I would like how much USD should I need or basically how much BTC do I need to move there (as a start) and what does it take to find a good or decent salary job and how easy/hard it is . (price for living monthly etc ... ) what ever you think it's necessary informations just throw them at me .

Pretty sure that this thread should belong into Economics because I'am speaking about Finance and money etc ... thank you

I would recommend using Numbeo to get a good comparison of costs in different cities
That said to qualify for entry into the United States you need to have a certain amount of money in your account or a job option to get the Green Card perhaps as a translator.
A good amount of money to start off is $2000 to pay off the first month or two of rent and food while looking for work.

[greBit]

Depending where you live in the US, cost of living fluctuates. As a rule of thumb, $1,000 USD per month should be enough.

Well, I think it might take more than $1000 if you're moving to England instead of USA. It also depends where OP is moving ,  what kind of apartment he wants to rent, how much will he spend for expenditure, etc. It might take at least 2000 USD for OP in my opinion.

It takes much more than such a small amount to live in the U.S/U.K if you plan to lead an average life too. Homes are costly, you should try for hostels. You could seek help from any friends or relatives in the country otherwise. I would advise you to get a job before shifting, try studying hard and getting quality resume

At the same time just as a point with studying... these mainstream style qualifications are going to become less and less relevant as time goes by.  I would choose very carefully if starting out on study again, you dont want to end up with a ton of debt and a useless degree.  

I am not talking about degree, but talking about the education and the quality of knowledge received. Learning more and more will still be easy in his own country but things might get a little tough as he steps into a new country. He'd rather feel more stranded. And instead of having a useless degree, I would recommend you to study something you're passionate about and master in that.