DADICE : exposing investors to more risk than their kelly, misleading informatio

[leen93]

UPDATE : The investment option just got removed for me and a chat ban has been given to me. Getting any contact with the staff about the kelly criterion was not possible till now...

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[NLNico]

Too bad you didn't read at least some pages of the previous scam accusation. This has been known for a while and obviously DD didn't do much about it:

Actually it is very strange they had a fixed max 20 coin profit too. How does that work with investors and kelly selections ? :s The max profit must be based on the invested amount and with the kelly selection the investor is selecting the max loss (= max profit for player) per bet he can have. This is how all dice invest sites work.

Now, with more and more investors and different kelly selections, the picture is even more bizarre
 Like ours:
 Bankroll is currently 924
Actually available 546

..

No it is not. We have a maximum payout of 20 btc currently.

Just think how logical this fixed max payout is

The fact more people knew this before doesn't make it less urgent to change it...

DaDice knew this for months and didn't change it. They also clearly lied about their bankroll, so 2 or 20 max profit is pretty much the same... if there is any big winner they will simply not pay (and higher max = more chance to scam more.) TBH I am not sure why people still take them serious after they have already shown to be untrustworthy (lying about bankroll.) They will only last as long as people deposit/lose on there. I hope, for your own sake, that you withdrew your leftover investments already.

[dadice_dev]

Hello leen, how are you today?

Well to be honest this thread was no unexpected at all, for most us know how much of a manipulative and crooked fellow you are. I hope you will read my entire post and the ones followed by it patiently, as there are some big disappointments coming up for you.

First of all, you have once again proved your self as a liar as no staff ever said we will not pay them, what was said there, we will soon post screenshot of that right here in its original context. But let us all understand the history of leen93 and fuck ups it has caused us. For starters, when you came in site chat for very first time, we welcomed you there, a mod even added you to our customer relations group in Skype, but you spurned all our good efforts by making this (what you can only refer to as: stupid) post here in BCT:

OFFICIAL MESSAGE FROM THE OWNER OF DADICE IN SKYPE:

"NOTHING CAN STOP DADICE FROM RUNNING AWAY WITH INVESTOR'S FUNDS"

And then anyhow after creating a class A whore-show there, you still decided to invest money with Da Dice. Right at those times, people also won 9 BTC and even more, as well as some lost their monies as well. Your investments did go down for a while and then later came back in profit too, which is the nature of gambling.

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

https://stats.dadice.com/b/117880797
https://i.imgur.com/DlsD39M.png

https://stats.dadice.com/b/117785803
https://stats.dadice.com/b/110540608

Of course you wanted to withdraw it all immediately after you had won, which you did and we honored your withdrawal request as always.

Later, when you decided to come back and when your investments reached a reasonable amount of 15 BTC. We even provided you a cold storage address of your own, which had a public note "for leen93". That is how we deal with all our private investors, so they know their funds are secure and all our private investors are happy with this. We do NOT require any suggestions any more in this area.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

So this is part of your working history with us, above. And given your rude, mean and offensive history, we always showed our patience and continued to do so. After all above events, investment program was finally made private. Everything was fine until 3 days ago, when you contacted us on support asking to open investment option for you, which we rejected 3 times!!

https://i.imgur.com/uul9LO7.png
https://i.imgur.com/YNH0Ms2.png

The reason why we didn't want you back as an investor is your given mean and offensive history, and also you are not consistent with your investments unlike our other private investors. Looks like you are one those who only like profit, and can't breath when they are in minor loss. Yes! I just called you a whining gambler

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P.S. Every body please hold your horses very tightly, as this post is exclusively for leen. We will soon post our official response on the actual issue, we just wanted to start by introducing leen93.

[shitaifan2013]

looks like dadice is finally turning into the most dilettantish and unsuccessfull dice scam so far  

[dadice_dev]

Reserved.

[dadice]

looks like dadice is finally turning into the most dilettantish and unsuccessfull dice scam so far  

Not at all, we are just demonstrating who is a liar and whiner here.

[dadice]

leen93, you don't talk good about them, but you take their signature …

I am not talking good or bad about them. I am just talking about the truth. About the non-implementation of the kelly criterion you just can't say anything good.
I didn't get paid for a long time for my sign campaign but don't mind too much about this, just want all problems at dadice solved. That's where I am caring the most about right now.

Another lie: You have never signed up to be in our campaign. Proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1078943.0

[shitaifan2013]

looks like dadice is finally turning into the most dilettantish and unsuccessfull dice scam so far  

Not at all, we are just demonstrating who is a liar and whiner here.

I really don't care who of you immature weirdos is whining/lying more. but please keep on entertaining me 

[leen93]

Dadice, I am trying to help you

Help you implement the kelly criterion.
I mentioned the investor bug, I could have just taken a lot of money out of it without anyone noticing it. But I didn't, I declared the problem immediately to you

why did i lose 29% of a 1000 btc bankroll after a 19 btc bet?
there is divested right before and invested right after, suspicious^2, would be nice if you could declare those details

I am trying to help the site to become trustworthy and get rid of all the bugs, but maybe a little bit respect for me should not be a bad idea

In the chat the only thing I did was explaining the kelly criterion before getting the ban... Don't see any reason for the ban...
I advise you to reply me on skype asap to discuss everything

[shitaifan2013]

I advise you to reply me on skype asap to discuss everything

please keep the discussion on here so we can all have a laugh. thanks.

[leen93]

looks like dadice is finally turning into the most dilettantish and unsuccessfull dice scam so far  

Not at all, we are just demonstrating who is a liar and whiner here.

Ok, then please explain the OP.
How can you deny that that information on your website is misleading?
I am willing to help you improve your website but then you should show respect for people willing to help you.

Dadice has a lot of opportunities to become one of the largest dice sites but you just keep wasting them...

[leen93]

Hello leen, how are you today?

Well to be honest this thread was no unexpected at all, for most us know how much of a manipulative and crooked fellow you are. I hope you will read my entire post and the ones followed by it patiently, as there are some big disappointments coming up for you.

First of all, you have once again proved your self as a liar as no staff ever said we will not pay them, what was said there, we will soon post screenshot of that right here in its original context. But let us all understand the history of leen93 and fuck ups it has caused us. For starters, when you came in site chat for very first time, we welcomed you there, a mod even added you to our customer relations group in Skype, but you spurned all our good efforts by making this (what you can only refer to as: stupid) post here in BCT:

OFFICIAL MESSAGE FROM THE OWNER OF DADICE IN SKYPE:

"NOTHING CAN STOP DADICE FROM RUNNING AWAY WITH INVESTOR'S FUNDS"

And then anyhow after creating a class A whore-show there, you still decided to invest money with Da Dice. Right at those times, people also won 9 BTC and even more, as well as some lost their monies as well. Your investments did go down for a while and then later came back in profit too, which is the nature of gambling.

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

https://stats.dadice.com/b/117880797


https://stats.dadice.com/b/117785803
https://stats.dadice.com/b/110540608

Of course you wanted to withdraw it all immediately after you had won, which you did and we honored your withdrawal request as always.

Later, when you decided to come back and when your investments reached a reasonable amount of 15 BTC. We even provided you a cold storage address of your own, which had a public note "for leen93". That is how we deal with all our private investors, so they know their funds are secure and all our private investors are happy with this. We do NOT require any suggestions any more in this area.

https://blockchain.info/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

So this is part of your working history with us, above. And given your rude, mean and offensive history, we always showed our patience and continued to do so. After all above events, investment program was finally made private. Everything was fine until 3 days ago, when you contacted us on support asking to open investment option for you, which we rejected 3 times!!


The reason why we didn't want you back as an investor is your given mean and offensive history, and also you are not consistent with your investments unlike our other private investors. Looks like you are one those who only like profit, and can't breath when they are in minor loss. Yes! I just called you a whining gambler

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P.S. Every body please hold your horses very tightly, as this post is exclusively for leen. We will soon post our official response on the actual issue, we just wanted to start by introducing leen93.

When I contacted you first on chat you said you would open the investment option immediately.

The fact I won before doesn't matter. I don't say you shouldn't pay out the guy who won the bitcoins (unless it is yourself) but this bet shouldnt have been made against investors funds since they didn't agree on a kelly higher than 10.

[dadice_dev]

Any comment from the site owners about this?

After talking to 1 staff member (M.F., full name and private info known) [...]. If I ask what would happen if someone would win 100 x 20 btc (and investments would all be negative) he just said : "we will not pay him the won amount".

While I understand the short term benefits of refusing to pay out big winners it does seem a little shortsighted.

Is this official DaDice policy?

If I was looking for a dice site to play on, I might not chose the one which has a stated policy of not paying out people who win too much.

Yes, the official comment is you just got played by a greedy, whiny and manipulative fellow of yours. Because there is no reality to what she said above, here is the piece from actual converstaion:

https://i.imgur.com/P43NBjC.png

There is a big difference between actual conversation and how she clearly lied to mislead and create a FUD. And this is not the first time leen has shown us how shallow and digusting she can be.

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Again P.S. everybody please hold your horses, we will explain the situation shortly.

[leen93]

Any comment from the site owners about this?

After talking to 1 staff member (M.F., full name and private info known) [...]. If I ask what would happen if someone would win 100 x 20 btc (and investments would all be negative) he just said : "we will not pay him the won amount".

While I understand the short term benefits of refusing to pay out big winners it does seem a little shortsighted.

Is this official DaDice policy?

If I was looking for a dice site to play on, I might not chose the one which has a stated policy of not paying out people who win too much.

Yes, the official comment is you just got played by a greedy, whiny and manipulative fellow of yours. Because there is no reality to what she said above, here is the piece from actual converstaion:



There is a big difference between actual conversation and how she clearly lied to mislead and create a FUD. And this is not the first time leen has shown us how shallow and digusting she can be.

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Again P.S. please hold your horses, we will explain the situation shortly.

if "as much as we can" is limited (which it is) it simply means you cannot pay him/her back completely (in the case i gave as an example) which means you will not pay him/her back completely.

Why don't you reply about the OP? We are talking about the non-implementation of the kelly criterion.

[bodgybrothers]

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

[leen93]

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

yes, and a 9 btc win shouldn't be a problem with a 1000 btc adjusted bankroll, a 19 btc win is

[ajareselde]

I didn't get paid for a long time for my sign campaign but don't mind too much about this, just want all problems at dadice solved.

Your name doesn't come up in either of their campaigns:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M__XIQr2h-XlOt7N89BKw0qgr7nmoCxRS8R2aesqqZ0/edit#gid=1848405451
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LruSSemYYQo-yYjRy0IJmV44O9-vJcZs7s9IEBG-hso/edit#gid=1870443202
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYtTqdk2fjl27Mm8cP--pYUqwskVAHReYxipxD_yuCA/edit#gid=0

Also you claimed they said: "we will not pay that user" where they said "we will pay as much as we can"

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to say what's on your heart, but you should'nt twist words or statements; that wont help your case.

Like they said, they will address the case more in detail soon enough:

everybody please hold your horses, we will explain the situation shortly.

cheers

[leen93]

I didn't get paid for a long time for my sign campaign but don't mind too much about this, just want all problems at dadice solved.

Your name doesn't come up in either of their campaigns:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M__XIQr2h-XlOt7N89BKw0qgr7nmoCxRS8R2aesqqZ0/edit#gid=1848405451
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LruSSemYYQo-yYjRy0IJmV44O9-vJcZs7s9IEBG-hso/edit#gid=1870443202
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYtTqdk2fjl27Mm8cP--pYUqwskVAHReYxipxD_yuCA/edit#gid=0

Also you claimed they said: "we will not pay that user" where they said "we will pay as much as we can"

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to say what's on your heart, but you should'nt twist words or statements; that wont help your case.

Like they said, they will address the case more in detail soon enough:

everybody please hold your horses, we will explain the situation shortly.

cheers

They made the statement before and I'll post a printscreen soon.

[dadice_dev]

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

Care to check 2 bet IDs already provided there.

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

yes, and a 9 btc win shouldn't be a problem with a 1000 btc adjusted bankroll, a 19 btc win is

9 BTC is your roll, payout is 18 BTC.

if "as much as we can" is limited (which it is) it simply means you cannot pay him/her back completely (in the case i gave as an example) which means you will not pay him/her back completely.

Every casino has a bankroll, we have shown ours, it was the very next message where I reminded you of our bankroll. We will pay as much as we can, that's the bankroll right there. If we are out, we will declare bankruptcy like every other casino works.

[leen93]

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

Care to check 2 bet IDs already provided there.

The point I am trying to make here is that you are one of our early players and you're aware of how system used to work because that is exactly the same way it still works today. Astonishingly, you didn't have this problem when your investments made some profit nor you had this problem when you won a 18 BTC in a single roll yourself.

Is it ok that I point out a 9btc bet at 50% means a win of 9btc not 18.

yes, and a 9 btc win shouldn't be a problem with a 1000 btc adjusted bankroll, a 19 btc win is

9 BTC is your roll, payout is 18 BTC.

if "as much as we can" is limited (which it is) it simply means you cannot pay him/her back completely (in the case i gave as an example) which means you will not pay him/her back completely.

Every casino has a bankroll, we have shown ours, it was the very next message where I reminded you of our bankroll. We will pay as much as we can, that's the bankroll right there. If we are out, we will declare bankruptcy like every other casino works.

please get some information about the kelly criterion which will make it impossible to go bankrupt
and the max win should have been +- 10 at the time someone won 19 btc, that is the problem