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July 09, 2015, 08:01:38 PM
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 China Continues to Tear Down Crosses  From Zhejiang's Churches
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Authorities tear down a cross from a Protestant church in Hangzhou's Dingqiao township, Dec. 19, 2014.
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Authorities in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang claimed new casualties in a demolition program targeting Protestant Christian churches in the region, which is home to "China's Jerusalem," in recent weeks, local residents said.

Officials sent in a demolition gang on July 2 to pull down a cross on a church in Zhejiang's Weiling county, a church member told RFA.

"The cross on our church was ripped down today, and so many of our church members were in floods of tears over it," the church member said.

The Weiling church was built several decades ago, long before the more recent boom in Protestant Christianity began to ring alarm bells with the ruling Chinese Communist Party, officially an atheist organization.

"They were unable to speak reasonably with us, or say why they were taking down our cross," the church member said.

"They are officials, and we are just the people, and so we have no right to speak."



Foreign ideas feared

China has an army of officials whose job is to watch over faith-based activities, which have spread rapidly in recent decades amid sweeping economic and social change, sparking official fears that foreign ideas are increasingly gaining traction among the country's 1.3 billion population.

Party officials are put in charge of Catholics, Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, and Protestants. Judaism isn't recognized, and worship in non-recognized temples, churches, or mosques is against the law.

According to the church member, the Weiling church dates back to an era before communist rule began in 1949, and is no stranger to political persecution, having been targeted during the political turmoil of the Mao-era.

"They shut us down for a stretch during the Cultural Revolution [1966-1976]," the church member said. "Then we started up again, and we were allowed to hold meetings."

"But now they have taken our cross away."

Some 100 members of the congregation had gathered during the demolition process, the church member said.

"Everyone just watched. We didn't dare to comment, because if we'd spoken out of line, they would have detained us," the church member added.

"We are Christians, so the cross is our symbol. I feel terrible."

Meanwhile, lawyers acting for a Christian congregation in Zhejiang's Jinhua city penned a public letter protesting at "illegal actions" by the municipal government.

"We felt that the government's intention was to attack this church, gradually stepping up the pressure on it, step by step," letter signatory and lawyer Chen Jianggang told RFA in a recent interview.

"We want to use the law to protect this church's cross, so we have issued an open letter ... explaining that we want them to protect this cross according to law," Chen said.



'China's Jerusalem'

In recent months, authorities in the eastern city of Wenzhou have carried out an ongoing demolition program targeting large and highly visible churches and crosses in the city, which is home to an estimated one million Chinese Christians.

Party leaders in the city, dubbed "China's Jerusalem," last week threatened to expel members who put religious beliefs ahead of ideology in a "rectification" campaign.

But Chen said the campaign is illegal, and a form of religious persecution.

Demolitions have also been reported by Christian churches in Hangzhou and Taizhou cities in recent weeks, local sources said.

In May, the Chinese Communist Party issued a warning that any of its members who harbor religious beliefs or take part in religious activities could become the targets of its powerful disciplinary arm.

The newsletter of the party's Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI) said in an opinion piece that the problem of religious believers within party ranks is "attracting serious concern."

China's Communist Party members number 86.7 million, some six percent of the country's population, second only to the 88 million claimed by India's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), according to figures released in 2014.

According to the article, party members don't enjoy any right to religious freedom, a right which many religious believers complain is routinely violated by officials across the country.

The CCDI article came after President Xi Jinping warned a high-level ideological conference last week that the development of religion in China should be "independent of foreign influence."

"Christian congregations have expanded since churches began reopening after the Cultural Revolution," the party-backed Global Times newspaper said in a recent commentary.

"Religion can be easily used by hostile external forces, especially among separatists in Tibet and Xinjiang autonomous regions, to infiltrate Chinese society, and that may impact the stability of the country," the paper paraphrased Xi as saying.

Reported by Yang Fan for RFA's Mandarin Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.
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Sadly a lot of people here will call this situation "progress". I am not one of them.


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Authorities tear down a cross from a Protestant church in Lishui's Longquan township, April. 23. 2015.

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UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I told you no one would care. Sad isn't it, but as long as they can afford their brand new iphone or nexus 5 from china, it will be the case.


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And there are people that keep saying that Communism doesn't exist.


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July 10, 2015, 03:27:16 PM
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No government has the right to take away anyone's religion. If one is preaching it without harming others, what's the big deal? Communism is clearly outshining this horrendous act. People need to speak up for this.

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No government has the right to take away anyone's religion. If one is preaching it without harming others, what's the big deal? Communism is clearly outshining this horrendous act. People need to speak up for this.


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No government has the right to take away anyone's religion. If one is preaching it without harming others, what's the big deal? Communism is clearly outshining this horrendous act. People need to speak up for this.

Typical american pro-imperialistic answer.


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July 10, 2015, 06:36:24 PM
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China is one of the few countries, which has remained outside the grasp of the Abrahamic religions. I would like that to continue. Why the Christians want to convert everyone in the world to their religion? IMO, the Chinese will be much better, if they believe in Atheism / Buddhism / Confucianism / Folk religion. They don't need these Business-minded religions such as Islam and Christianity.
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China is one of the few countries, which has remained outside the grasp of the Abrahamic religions. I would like that to continue. Why the Christians want to convert everyone in the world to their religion? IMO, the Chinese will be much better, if they believe in Atheism / Buddhism / Confucianism / Folk religion. They don't need these Business-minded religions such as Islam and Christianity.

Religion : human races = Economy : currencies

If you don't understand religion don't blame it: study it!


The Emperor: a man that cannot handle faith.


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on July 10, only one day 4 churches in Hangzhou  crosses were teared down.

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放你妈屁!!!

Would you mind translating that please? It is not polite to say something that the other person cannot understand.

Thank You.


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FUCKOFF

It requires a lot of money to have the power to offend so clearly.

Hope you have it.

"Thank You".


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This is terribly sad.

I was watching something last night that talked about what the Jewish people went through before the holocaust.

Jewish people were being persecuted, forced to identify themselves with the star, having their windows broken, and everything, that led up to the end. People should be voicing their opposition to these things now, before things get worse. Of course less and less people care these days.

Which is crap, because they care about the freedoms they want, they just don't care about the freedoms others should be allowed to have, such as the freedom to have their church not face desecration.

A few articles:

"Although the government has cited zoning rules in its fight against the churches, a provincial policy paper suggests that there may be other reasons, advising officials to use the zoning language in an effort to avoid international scrutiny." China Removes Crosses From Two More Churches in Crackdown

"A draft of rules on religious structures released by government agencies this week says the crosses should be wholly affixed to a building facade and be no more than one-tenth of the facade's height. The symbol also must fit with the facade and the surroundings, the proposal says. The draft does not provide the rationale for the proposal."
After Removing 400 Crosses, China Proposes Where Churches Can Put Them Instead
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FUCKOFF

It requires a lot of money to have the power to offend so clearly.

Hope you have it.

"Thank You".


money is only a medium, i am sorry your thought in wrong way
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This is terribly sad.

I was watching something last night that talked about what the Jewish people went through before the holocaust.

Jewish people were being persecuted, forced to identify themselves with the star, having their windows broken, and everything, that led up to the end. People should be voicing their opposition to these things now, before things get worse. Of course less and less people care these days.

Which is crap, because they care about the freedoms they want, they just don't care about the freedoms others should be allowed to have, such as the freedom to have their church not face desecration.

A few articles:

"Although the government has cited zoning rules in its fight against the churches, a provincial policy paper suggests that there may be other reasons, advising officials to use the zoning language in an effort to avoid international scrutiny." China Removes Crosses From Two More Churches in Crackdown

"A draft of rules on religious structures released by government agencies this week says the crosses should be wholly affixed to a building facade and be no more than one-tenth of the facade's height. The symbol also must fit with the facade and the surroundings, the proposal says. The draft does not provide the rationale for the proposal."
After Removing 400 Crosses, China Proposes Where Churches Can Put Them Instead


thank you for your additional information!
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it is reported that more than 1100 crosses are teared down from churches in mainland china Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry  
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money is only a medium, i am sorry your thought in wrong way

That thought let me understood why you are crying in this post.

You need to fight faith every time you get up, the more you have faith the more you lose time, time is money... I'll let you end the equation.

Atheism is a sin in the Bible: atheist are playing out of rules => if you play out of rules you are loosing time, if you are loosing time you are loosing money, if you listen to atheist you are loosing money.

If you say something like:
No government has the right to take away anyone's religion. If one is preaching it without harming others, what's the big deal? Communism is clearly outshining this horrendous act. People need to speak up for this.

You are just playing out of the rules of secularity => if you play out of the rules you are loosing time, if you are losing time you are loosing money, if you listen to opposite thouths you are loosing money.

Sorry, I cannot make it more clear as we are not on the same side.

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