China Continues to Tear Down Crosses From Zhejiang's Churches

[BCEmporium]

What evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed? The first references to him appears some 70 years after his death and there's no record of any crucifixion of such person ordered by Pilates.
Jesus most likely is just a character in the romance we call the Bible - we know for sure that many stories of the Old Testament were assorted Middle Eastern legends rewritten to have a Jew as the main character.

[BitNow]

What evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed? The first references to him appears some 70 years after his death and there's no record of any crucifixion of such person ordered by Pilates.
Jesus most likely is just a character in the romance we call the Bible - we know for sure that many stories of the Old Testament were assorted Middle Eastern legends rewritten to have a Jew as the main character.

Again this is talking about Faith not Atheism (which is the lack of Faith).

Apologies to the thread's owner for this Nth-Off Topic.

That is not my fault.

Best regards.


PS: just to close the discussion started (by me, somebody will said), if you have Faith you believe in the Bible, if you believe in the Bible you have proofs that Jesus Christ is our Lord.

[PaoloSerBit]

By that example we can see what it means to live in a harsh dictatorship. You can´t even choose your religion freely.
I don´t understand where did the offtop about the existence of the God etc. come from.

[BCEmporium]

Under some democracies you can't also chose to be of a Nazi, Communist or Fascist parties and those aren't even allowed to exist.
Some can call that measures against social unrest, that both religions and politics may cause.

As for "faith", for someone with "faith" in Santa will make it exist for real... or not at all.

[Sweminer777]

By that example we can see what it means to live in a harsh dictatorship. You can´t even choose your religion freely.
I don´t understand where did the offtop about the existence of the God etc. come from.

You can't argue whit bitnow, he is atheist and he thinks he is right because science makes him the right now.

But what he do not understand that god is everything even science.

he Makes no difference from a dictator bashing atheism into people,

What evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed? The first references to him appears some 70 years after his death and there's no record of any crucifixion of such person ordered by Pilates.
Jesus most likely is just a character in the romance we call the Bible - we know for sure that many stories of the Old Testament were assorted Middle Eastern legends rewritten to have a Jew as the main character.

Bibble has been changed by the jews as you say for they benefits there are some documentations about them handing out free copies to amount of places , were those bibbles have been distorded.

Jesus was never cruzified , it is something they had to made up because of the controversials of the religion it would made the religion "fake" .

Templar knights had to do whit much covered up aswell, the body of jesus is hidden in kashmir.

[BitNow]

Under some democracies you can't also chose to be of a Nazi, Communist or Fascist parties and those aren't even allowed to exist.
Some can call that measures against social unrest, that both religions and politics may cause.

As for "faith", for someone with "faith" in Santa will make it exist for real... or not at all.

Precisely.

In my Country of origin, Italy, you can't, by law, be Fascist or Nazi: that's why I understand what is happening right now in China where the Chinese Government is trying to ban Religion.

Nazism and Fascism produced "Scentific racism" in XX century, cause they lost Second Warld War you cannot talk anymore about races when talking about human species you can only talk about ethnicity. Ethnicity has more to do with sociology and theology than science.

That's why religion is in there.

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You can't argue whit bitnow, he is atheist and he thinks he is right because science makes him the right now.

But what he do not understand that god is everything even science.

he Makes no difference from a dictator bashing atheism into people,

If I will say that God is even science I will bound to your power and to the power of your religion that is able to not separate State, Religion and Science.

That is showing weakness: I will not do that next time.

Bibble has been changed by the jews as you say for they benefits there are some documentations about them handing out free copies to amount of places , were those bibbles have been distorded.

Jesus was never cruzified , it is something they had to made up because of the controversials of the religion it would made the religion "fake" .

Templar knights had to do whit much covered up aswell, the body of jesus is hidden in kashmir.

Please talk about Son Wukong and Dragon Ball manga: taking the piss on religion is not fun.


Hope this off topic ends here.



Thank You and best regards.

[msc_de]

CHINA: LAWYER SUPPORTING CHURCHES IN CHINA DETAINED

By Amnesty International, 3 September 2015, Index number: ASA 17/2370/2015

A prominent human rights lawyer and his two assistants have been detained in China as part of a wider crackdown on activists who are resisting the removal of crosses from churches. Zhang Kai has been placed under ‘residential surveillance’ in an unknown location, which means he can be held for up to six months without access to his lawyers or family.

View report in English

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https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/2370/2015/en/

[MakingMoneyHoney]

This is horrible. I wish I had something other to say than that.

[BitNow]

This is horrible. I wish I had something other to say than that.

This is horrible only if you are searching for beauty, this is not horrible if you are searching for philosophy.

What is happening here is the separation of State and Religion.

This is what Islam and Catholicism are fighting since after Second World War: Islam is able to NOT separate between State and Religion (Sharia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), while Catholicism decided, with the creation of Italian constitution, to separate COMPLETELY between State and Religion.

What Chinese Government is trying to do is what Catholicism did after Second World War: try to separate between State and Religion by creating an ATHEIST State.

Italian Constitution does not oblige to be atheist, that's where Chinese Government is going one step forward: complete separation between State and Religion.

If you believe in God and in the words of the Bible you'll think that atheism is a SIN, so you'll have problem's with that, if you don't believe in God this will be your best place to live: HELL.

I'm italian that's why I needed to say that: I wanted this argument to be as clear as possible. This is where I lived since I was born.


Thank You and best regards.

[msc_de]

This is horrible. I wish I had something other to say than that.

This is horrible only if you are searching for beauty, this is not horrible if you are searching for philosophy.

What is happening here is the separation of State and Religion.

This is what Islam and Catholicism are fighting since after Second World War: Islam is able to NOT separate between State and Religion (Sharia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), while Catholicism decided, with the creation of Italian constitution, to separate COMPLETELY between State and Religion.

What Chinese Government is trying to do is what Catholicism did after Second World War: try to separate between State and Religion by creating an ATHEIST State.

Italian Constitution does not oblige to be atheist, that's where Chinese Government is going one step forward: complete separation between State and Religion.

If you believe in God and in the words of the Bible you'll think that atheism is a SIN, so you'll have problem's with that, if you don't believe in God this will be your best place to live: HELL.

I'm italian that's why I needed to say that: I wanted this argument to be as clear as possible. This is where I lived since I was born.


Thank You and best regards.

 i am sorry but i have to say what you said is call black white!

what chinese government did is not the separation of state and religion but vice versa, they use state power against religious freedom which is fundamental human right.

[BitNow]

I am sorry but i have to say what you said is call black white!

what chinese government did is not the separation of state and religion but vice versa, they use state power against religious freedom which is fundamental human right.

Idea.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

This is horrible. I wish I had something other to say than that.

This is horrible only if you are searching for beauty, this is not horrible if you are searching for philosophy.

What is happening here is the separation of State and Religion.

This is what Islam and Catholicism are fighting since after Second World War: Islam is able to NOT separate between State and Religion (Sharia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), while Catholicism decided, with the creation of Italian constitution, to separate COMPLETELY between State and Religion.

What Chinese Government is trying to do is what Catholicism did after Second World War: try to separate between State and Religion by creating an ATHEIST State.

Italian Constitution does not oblige to be atheist, that's where Chinese Government is going one step forward: complete separation between State and Religion.

If you believe in God and in the words of the Bible you'll think that atheism is a SIN, so you'll have problem's with that, if you don't believe in God this will be your best place to live: HELL.

I'm italian that's why I needed to say that: I wanted this argument to be as clear as possible. This is where I lived since I was born.


Thank You and best regards.

 i am sorry but i have to say what you said is call black white!

what chinese government did is not the separation of state and religion but vice versa, they use state power against religious freedom which is fundamental human right.

Exactly. Separation of state and religion would leave religious buildings with the ability to have a cross on it without any intervening from the state.

[BitNow]

Exactly. Separation of state and religion would leave religious buildings with the ability to have a cross on it without any intervening from the state.

That is separation of State and Religion and is already happening in Italy and in others States around the world that have a Constitution similar to the one of Italy.

How the Chinese State is doing an improvement over the conditions already found in others States around the world if they are not doing something new?

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Exactly. Separation of state and religion would leave religious buildings with the ability to have a cross on it without any intervening from the state.

That is separation of State and Religion and is already happening in Italy and in others States around the world that have a Constitution similar to the one of Italy.

How the Chinese State is doing an improvement over the conditions already found in others States around the world if they are not doing something new?

I'm sorry you have a bad idea about what separation of state and religion is.

"While a country's policy may be to have a definite distinction in church and state, there may be an "arm's length distance" relationship in which the two entities interact as independent organizations. " (link)

Churches in China cannot act like an independent organization when they're being told what they can and cannot do with crosses on their property.

[BitNow]

I'm sorry you have a bad idea about what separation of state and religion is.

"While a country's policy may be to have a definite distinction in church and state, there may be an "arm's length distance" relationship in which the two entities interact as independent organizations. " (link)

Churches in China cannot act like an independent organization when they're being told what they can and cannot do with crosses on their property.

If the Chines Government replace Religion with atheism they have separated State from Religion.

There are different ways of solving the same problem: don't look only in your neighbour's garden and put yourself in others people's shoes.

You can solve problems by keeping traditions or you can solve problems by following new paths: Chinese Government is solving this problem by following a new path.



Thank You and best regards.

[msc_de]

This is horrible. I wish I had something other to say than that.

This is horrible only if you are searching for beauty, this is not horrible if you are searching for philosophy.

What is happening here is the separation of State and Religion.

This is what Islam and Catholicism are fighting since after Second World War: Islam is able to NOT separate between State and Religion (Sharia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), while Catholicism decided, with the creation of Italian constitution, to separate COMPLETELY between State and Religion.

What Chinese Government is trying to do is what Catholicism did after Second World War: try to separate between State and Religion by creating an ATHEIST State.

Italian Constitution does not oblige to be atheist, that's where Chinese Government is going one step forward: complete separation between State and Religion.

If you believe in God and in the words of the Bible you'll think that atheism is a SIN, so you'll have problem's with that, if you don't believe in God this will be your best place to live: HELL.

I'm italian that's why I needed to say that: I wanted this argument to be as clear as possible. This is where I lived since I was born.


Thank You and best regards.

 i am sorry but i have to say what you said is call black white!

what chinese government did is not the separation of state and religion but vice versa, they use state power against religious freedom which is fundamental human right.

Exactly. Separation of state and religion would leave religious buildings with the ability to have a cross on it without any intervening from the state.

you can not wake up who pretend to be asleep, such as bitnow here

[skeem]

I feel hopless. But I still catch the little hope.

[BitNow]

you can not wake up who pretend to be asleep, such as bitnow here

I'm just fighting for my Life like everybody else in this Planet.

Thank you for the content of this thread: you are doing a real-time view of what is happening on the other side of this Planet from where I live.

Best regards.

[msc_de]

I am sorry but i have to say what you said is call black white!

what chinese government did is not the separation of state and religion but vice versa, they use state power against religious freedom which is fundamental human right.

Idea.

not idea but fact

[msc_de]

you can not wake up who pretend to be asleep, such as bitnow here

I'm just fighting for my Life like everybody else in this Planet.

Thank you for the content of this thread: you are doing a real-time view of what is happening on the other side of this Planet from where I live.

Best regards.

i see, best regards..