There are no Laws of Nature?

[BADecker]

I suggest - maybe even contend - that there are absolutely NO laws of nature. There are no laws of physics. There are no laws of science. There may not even be any moral or ethical laws. There may be no laws at all!

So, what is happening that makes things look like there are laws? Here's what it is. God is controlling everything directly, consciously, and perfectly, all at the same time, in such ways that make it look like there are laws.

What do you think?

[1aguar]

Each energy has a label. Has this God identified self?

I Ask this man "BADecker" to explain to us all about God,
I Ask for a thorough explanation of the LAWS OF CREATION AND GOD,
I Ask for equation of Creation and Creator.
I Ask him how I am going to awaken and get off my planet if necessary? NOTE: I will Check if it is "magic" or reasonable physics (I am third dimensional and I have physical needs).
I Ask him to identify each energy in the "Godhead", the purpose in the controlling of everything directly, consciously, and so on.

Will ANYONE be able to change the world "Earth" when we leave this topic and thread? Why? How?
God had "consciousness" but even HE had to do something to cause "creation".

Even with no laws, you must still specify the SOURCE. So what about this man labeled BADecker; does he have understanding enough to answer my questions??

My source for this post is Chapter 14 of Phoenix Journal 71:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_71.pdf

[Decio]

Here are the Answers!

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/170308/jewish/What-is-Kabbalah.htm

[BADecker]

Each energy has a label. Has this God identified self?

I Ask this man "BADecker" to explain to us all about God,
I Ask for a thorough explanation of the LAWS OF CREATION AND GOD,
I Ask for equation of Creation and Creator.
I Ask him how I am going to awaken and get off my planet if necessary? NOTE: I will Check if it is "magic" or reasonable physics (I am third dimensional and I have physical needs).
I Ask him to identify each energy in the "Godhead", the purpose in the controlling of everything directly, consciously, and so on.

Will ANYONE be able to change the world "Earth" when we leave this topic and thread? Why? How?
God had "consciousness" but even HE had to do something to cause "creation".

Even with no laws, you must still specify the SOURCE. So what about this man labeled BADecker; does he have understanding enough to answer my questions??

My source for this post is Chapter 14 of Phoenix Journal 71:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_71.pdf

You don't need me to explain everything that is important. If you don't have it, you can have the Bible. It does a far better job than I ever could.

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Here are the Answers!

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/170308/jewish/What-is-Kabbalah.htm

If this is the answer, it is kind of convoluted. Notice that the people who have used the Kabbalah answer have all died. Have they risen to eternal life like Jesus?

Again, if you don't have it, you can have the Bible. It does a far better job of explaining than I ever could. The risen Jesus lives forever.

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Thank you for your responses. Perhaps the laws that God uses are simply self-directed directives, whereby He holds every particle and wave and action of the universe, consciously and perfectly... something like you and I ride a skateboard, or play a video game, or drive a race car (or is it only racists that drive race cars? ).

[Gleb Gamow]

The laws of nature don't even apply here!

[BADecker]

The laws of nature don't even apply here!

The laws of nature apply everywhere. Mankind lives because the laws of nature apply to him. since he lives through the laws of nature, every law he makes is an extension of the laws of nature, because that's the only way man lives, by the laws of nature.

If there are no laws of nature, if God holds everything in place, no wonder Jesus suffered extreme pain and died. God can't do evil. The evil perpetrated by mankind twisted God into doing evil. But God can't do evil. Thus, Jesus (God's Son) suffered and died, taking the twisting.

[ObscureBean]

Well laws are out there just waiting to be discovered, that is of course if you happen to be looking for them. All sorts of laws to suit your taste Unfortunately humans no longer have the option to ignore laws. Animals and nature are as they've always been since the dawn of time, they can forget anything they learn from one day to the next and start anew. Humans are not so lucky, everything in their world relentlessly reminds them of how powerful laws are. You can go to bed and lose yourself in sleep but as soon as you wake up, from your boxers to your pc, the gift/burden of laws is set squarely on your shoulders, no escape, you're not allowed to forget  

[BADecker]

Well laws are out there just waiting to be discovered, that is of course if you happen to be looking for them. All sorts of laws to suit your taste Unfortunately humans no longer have the option to ignore laws. Animals and nature are as they've always been since the dawn of time, they can forget anything they learn from one day to the next and start anew. Humans are not so lucky, everything in their world relentlessly reminds them of how powerful laws are. You can go to bed and lose yourself in sleep but as soon as you wake up, from your boxers to your pc, the gift/burden of laws is set squarely on your shoulders, no escape, you're not allowed to forget  

The point wasn't the fact that we have the appearance of laws all around us. The point wasn't that we are not tied to what look like laws in all kinds of ways.

The point was that maybe the things that we perceive as laws are not laws. The point was that maybe God is so extremely great that He is literally handling everything without laws. Maybe God is making each and every thing that happens to happen directly by His doing rather than a natural following of laws.

Maybe when a carpenter hits a nail with a hammer, it isn't the natural laws surround motion and inertia that are causing the nail to go into the wood. Maybe it is God directing all of it just like there were laws, but there really aren't any laws. Rather, God is controlling everything completely just as though there were laws.

[ObscureBean]

Well laws are out there just waiting to be discovered, that is of course if you happen to be looking for them. All sorts of laws to suit your taste Unfortunately humans no longer have the option to ignore laws. Animals and nature are as they've always been since the dawn of time, they can forget anything they learn from one day to the next and start anew. Humans are not so lucky, everything in their world relentlessly reminds them of how powerful laws are. You can go to bed and lose yourself in sleep but as soon as you wake up, from your boxers to your pc, the gift/burden of laws is set squarely on your shoulders, no escape, you're not allowed to forget  

The point wasn't the fact that we have the appearance of laws all around us. The point wasn't that we are not tied to what look like laws in all kinds of ways.

The point was that maybe the things that we perceive as laws are not laws. The point was that maybe God is so extremely great that He is literally handling everything without laws. Maybe God is making each and every thing that happens to happen directly by His doing rather than a natural following of laws.

Maybe when a carpenter hits a nail with a hammer, it isn't the natural laws surround motion and inertia that are causing the nail to go into the wood. Maybe it is God directing all of it just like there were laws, but there really aren't any laws. Rather, God is controlling everything completely just as though there were laws.

I understood what you meant the first time around  It doesn't matter whether 'God is controlling' everything or whether laws are. You serve a world dictated by laws because humans believe/know that they built their world using laws. Whether they are right or not is irrelevant, they think it is so, therefore it is. Your predicament is that you say 'God controls everything' but at the same time you use contraptions that humans claim to have achieved through their own doing. What I'm alluding to is very subtle and difficult to capture with words. The picture that comes to mind is one where you're trapped in a cage made of laws admiring God's world just outside. You give the impression of being torn between your arrogance (human arrogance) and the desire to believe in something bigger than yourself but the problem is that they are both one and the same. What you seek is not part of the realm of the intellect. What you seek cannot be sought. By using the intellect to apprehend the nature of God, you're effectively defiling the one thing you supposedly hold sacred.