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August 18, 2015, 01:48:41 PM
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The Chinese Government have no concerns for human rights or Any other type of rights. The Chinese Government is Fat and Corrupt with lots of Money from Cheap Chinese Slave products flooded throughout the world. They love the fact that the World is making them Rich.   

 Only the people of China can change this.   How do you say Civil War in Chinese?
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yeah bro but what you are saying is not only happening in China but also other super power countries as i dont want to name any but i can assure you that China is the only one,my own country is the same as you mentioned so what if you just say 'democratic country " there is no freedom or power for the people.
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All national leaders, American, Chinese etc have to provide jobs to have domestic peace. For most people food comes before liberty. Civil war will not be between half of any one country today but between broader groups.

Today there are private companies arranging to colonize Mars.

Tomorrow private groups will do much more.

Some things to consider: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/08/17/woman-fined-under-gag-law-for-posting-pic-spanish-cop-car-in-handicapped-spot/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spanish-man-fined-up-to-600-under-new-gag-laws-for-calling-police-slackers-in-facebook-post-10424251.html



China is ahead in some regards http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/couple-refuses-move-apartment-building-lies-middle-roadway-article-1.1206400
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It reminds me with 'UP' movie. They are brave couple anyway. If I am on that condition, I cant refuse to move from that. But, I think thats not a good idea for let their house lies middle roadway. I mean, thats not safe for their family.

 
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August 19, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
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well yeah that is the biggest problem which people need to understand that there is should be no extra rights given to the government which they dont require...but who can explain the people. Undecided

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The Chinese Government have no concerns for human rights or Any other type of rights. The Chinese Government is Fat and Corrupt with lots of Money from Cheap Chinese Slave products flooded throughout the world. They love the fact that the World is making them Rich.   

 Only the people of China can change this.   How do you say Civil War in Chinese?

sooner or later

no political reformation then revolution on the way
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August 19, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
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In most countries, including the U.S., there is no liberty to "refuse" a government request for your land. If the government wants your land they give you some money, take your land and you are "free" to complain in court.

Point being that in different countries the beast eats differently.

When you sacrifice any individual for society you are sealing the fate of your society. George Orwell was one of the best explainers of this.
Yeah, but sometimes government does that for its people, like build a bridge, highway, or park for them. Actually there are few useful infrastructures that government have built for us imo.

 
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August 19, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
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i have watched on tv more than 3 years ago may be..
and the toics is, there are any accident when the people hit by driver, but not anyone to help. just watch..
and cant to think, why??? why there is no one help the child??? oh my God. there is any good people in this world??

i wanna cry when i watch that.
 may be china must have human right protection system...
if, the right people must to save... dont be apatheticand selfish people, we should to be care with around us.
with anyone,..

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August 20, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
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i have watched on tv more than 3 years ago may be..
and the toics is, there are any accident when the people hit by driver, but not anyone to help. just watch..
and cant to think, why??? why there is no one help the child??? oh my God. there is any good people in this world??

i wanna cry when i watch that.
 may be china must have human right protection system...
if, the right people must to save... dont be apatheticand selfish people, we should to be care with around us.
with anyone,..
Was the accident in China? Nowadays, there is no person who care with others without any purpose. When accident is happening, most people prefer to take their gadgets and record the accident instead of help the victims.

 
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Prisoner of Conscience – Wang Yu
Jul 23, 2015 • 7:43 pm
Wang Yu 王宇

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Crime: Creating a disturbance & endangering state security

Length of Punishment: N/A

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Trial Date: N/A

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Dates of Detention/Arrest: July 9, 2015 (detained)

Place of Incarceration: Residential surveillance at undisclosed location

Background

“She is a brave, forthright, selfless human rights lawyer. Most of the time she is on the road, seeking justice and defending the rights of wronged individuals, despite authorities having insulted her, stolen her phone, kicked her out courthouses, and even illegally detained her. She was never afraid, and continued to fight against violations committed by the authorities. She does not care for fame, or to make big money, but tirelessly works on many difficult and risky rights cases, in pursuit of legal justice. Her name is Wang Yu (王宇), and she is the pride of Chinese lawyers.”

                                                — Disbarred Rights Lawyer Wang Quanping (王全平)

 

In the early hours of July 9, 2015, authorities abducted prominent human rights lawyer Wang Yu from her residence in Beijing after they apparently had cut the power in her home. Wang had returned home that morning after taking her husband, Bao Longjun (包龙军), and teenage son, Bao Zhuoxuan (包卓轩), to the Beijing airport. She sent out alerts through her phone about unidentified people trying to break the lock on her apartment around 4 a.m., and has since been out of contact. According to neighbors, guards told them the heavy police presence was a raid on drug dealers and that one person was detained. Both Wang’s husband and son were prevented from boarding their plane and taken away. Bao Zhuoxuan was later handed over to his aunt, while his parents remain in criminal detention without police confirmation of criminal charges or their whereabouts. Wang’s son continued to be summoned and harassed by police while being barred from traveling and threatened not to speak to others. The day after Wang Yu was taken away, police also abducted the director of her law firm, Zhou Shifeng (周世峰), from his hotel room in the outskirts of Beijing and took him away with his head covered.

Soon after Wang Yu disappeared, more than 100 lawyers signed an open letter calling for her release. In response, authorities targeted almost all of them in a nationwide crackdown, setting off rapid police operations that involved abductions, detentions, interrogations, harassment, and threats. Those released from interrogation were warned not to voice support for Wang Yu or any of the detained lawyers. Beijing Fengrui Law Firm, which employs Wang, was the focus of a Xinhua state media article published on July 11 accusing the firm of running a “criminal syndicate” and serving as a platform for masterminding serious illegal activities to incite “social disorder” and gain “profits.” Citing the Ministry of Public Security, Xinhua confirmed the criminal detentions of the law firm’s director, several of its lawyers, paralegals, and administrative staff. Beijing Fengrui Law Firm has employed several of the country’s most courageous lawyers and even renowned activists, such as Wu Gan (吴淦). The raid and crackdown, though unprecedented, were part of a pattern that had been observed for years in China, where authorities have pressured law firms to fire (or simply not hire) rights lawyers.

Wang Yu has frequently been harassed, threatened, searched, and physically assaulted by police since she began to take on rights abuse cases in 2011. Just a week before Wang’s detention, she was protesting procedural violations at a pretrial meeting when a judge ordered her forcibly removed from the courthouse by bailiffs, who caused an injury to Wang’s shoulder. She has represented activists, scholars, Falun Gong practitioners, farmers, and petitioners in cases involving a wide array of issues, including women’s and children’s rights, and the rights to religion, housing, and freedom of expression, assembly, and association.

She has defended ordinary citizens victimized by China’s broken justice system, as well as prominent members of the country’s civil society who have paid a great price for their advocacy work. Wang represented the influential Uyghur scholar and activist, Ilham Tohti (伊力哈木.土赫提), who was sentenced to life in prison in January 2014 for advocating peaceful means to resolve ethnic tensions and to end state repression in Xinjiang. She also defended the late activist Cao Shunli (曹顺利), who died in March 2014 after pushing for years for access to international human rights mechanisms to improve rights conditions in China. Wang has persistently offered assistance amid heightened government attacks against civil society, such as with the detentions of the Five Feminists in the spring of 2015.

While government authorities have attacked Wang Yu for her efforts, her courageous rights defense work has attracted accolades from fellow lawyers. In 2013, China’s legal community, led by an organization called Public Interest Litigation, nominated two of Wang’s cases as “Top Ten Public Interest Cases,” including the case of two female toddlers who had been starved to death in Nanjing, Jiangsu Province. Wang and her colleagues filed litigation charges against local branches of the Public Security Bureau, Ministry of Civil Affairs, Community Administrative Division, and All-China Women’s Federation. Even though she did not win the case, the suit generated attention to the issue of insufficient national laws for protecting children. In the other nominated case, Wang provided pro bono representation to a farmer who twice had been forcibly committed to a psychiatric hospital in reprisal for petitioning his grievances to the local government. In the end, a settlement was reached despite the perpetrators denying wrongdoing.

Wang Yu has taken on Falun Gong cases around China—including in Beijing, and the provinces of Hebei, Heilongjiang Jiangsu, Jilin, Liaoning, and Shandong—despite the fact that these cases heighten the chance of police mistreatment and retaliation. She assumed precisely this sort of risk when she decided to represent a Falun Gong practitioner illegally detained in the city of Jiansanjiang in Heilongjiang in 2014. In an incident that was widely monitored and condemned by China’s civil society, her client’s previous lawyers had suffered broken ribs after being seized, detained, and tortured for trying to provide legal assistance.

Authorities threw Wang Yu off a case in February 2015 after she filed a complaint against a judge for procedural violations during a hearing where she represented Fan Mugen (范木根) in Jiangsu Province. Fan is a farmer who attacked in self-defense two members of an illegal eviction team who had assaulted Fan and his family while attempting to demolish their home. The two men later died, and Fan was sentenced to eight years in prison when his trial resumed in May 2015, without any lawyer allowed inside the courtroom.

 

“Now, in fact, you could be detained with a charge of ‘creating a disturbance’ or ‘inciting subversion of state power’ if you say something on the Internet, and get sentenced. Perhaps you can say that is just for Falun Gong practitioners, but really it is also for us, and we should not let the government arbitrarily persecute any citizen. My power is limited, but despite being limited, I hope to make a small impact. Every lawyer who works on human rights cases thinks this way.” — Wang Yu

 

Born in 1971 in Inner Mongolia, Wang Yu graduated from China University of Political Science and Law in 1994, and began practicing law in Beijing in 2004. Started out as a commercial lawyer, Wang decided to pursue defending human rights after a personal encounter with China’s unchecked police power and failed legal system landed her in jail for two-and-a-half years. In May 2008, Wang got into in an altercation at a train station where staff prevented her from entering even though she had a ticket. Several unidentified men assaulted Wang. The lawyer filed a complaint at the local police station, but seven months later, police detained her for “intentional assault,” accusing her of beating three male personnel at the train station, and sent her to prison. She also was fined 129,377 RMB (approx. $21,500). According to a friend, since Wang’s release from prison in 2011, she has not even fully recovered her physical strength, yet she continued to travel across China fighting to defend others.

Her past imprisonment became the basis for a smear campaign in Xinhua, which published an article on June 11, 2015, portraying Wang Yu as a violent and deceitful lawyer who had refused to pay the financial penalty for her actions. Wang’s colleagues and supporters recognized that the defamation was in fact only further reprisal against the lawyer for taking on another high-profile case in June 2015—representing Wu Gan, the maverick activist who had been detained for criticizing officials. That same month, hundreds of lawyers and activists joined together to lend her funds to help pay off the legal fine, which Wang was not able to do before she was abducted from her home.

Many who know and have worked with Wang Yu describe her as a courageous and fearless “warrior.” She has raced to the frontlines of rights defense work in China to provide legal aid to those in need, regardless of how difficult or politically sensitive a case is.

http://chrdnet.com/2015/07/prisoner-of-conscience-wang-yu/
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August 23, 2015, 09:31:38 AM
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Is there any news on both of them ,i mean is there any kind of movement ?? at least if other human rights lawyers just dont give up the situation wont get worse.

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Is there any news on both of them ,i mean is there any kind of movement ?? at least if other human rights lawyers just dont give up the situation wont get worse.

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2015/08/what-happened-to-the-detained-lawyers/
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August 23, 2015, 04:20:50 PM
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nothing that we can to do about that.
just awarennes from the china society with this news.
they can to learn and have instropection self.
are they good people and have conscience or not.
with this. they can more do respect with each other.
still there is goodness?
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One can get a sense of who runs a country and with how much authority by observing who ends up disappeared or dead.  Judging by this, I'd say that those who emphisize the medical/industrial complex as a key element of our leadership here in the U.S. do so with some justification.


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One can get a sense of who runs a country and with how much authority by observing who ends up disappeared or dead.  Judging by this, I'd say that those who emphisize the medical/industrial complex as a key element of our leadership here in the U.S. do so with some justification.



There's more than just 8 dead now. The mainstream news won't cover it either. Also Brandy Vaughn is being stalked/harassed due to her speaking out against forced vaccinations.

Another Doctor DEAD: Dr. Mary Rene Bovier Found stabbed to death

Sharon doctor's death treated as a homicide
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China Probes Another Top Rights Lawyer For 'Subversion'
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Activists in Hong Kong demonstrate for the release of rights lawyers detained on the Chinese mainland, Aug. 25, 2015.
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Authorities in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin have confirmed they are investigating a top rights lawyer of "subversion," amid growing calls for the release of dozens of people in a nationwide crackdown on the country's embattled legal profession.

Bao Longjun, who was detained alongside his wife and fellow rights lawyer Wang Yu on July 9, at the start of a nationwide police operation, has now had "incitement to subvert state power" added to his charge sheet, his lawyer Chen Yongfu told RFA.

Previously, Bao, who is being held at under "residential surveillance"
at an unknown location, had been charged with the less serious "picking quarrels and stirring up trouble."

"Now that the police have confirmed the suspected charges, they will investigate," Chen said, after enquiring about his client's whereabouts at Tianjin's Hexi district detention center on Monday. "If he is formally arrested, then he will be transferred to the detention center."

Earlier this month, Tianjin police confirmed that they are holding Bao's wife Wang Yu on identical charges, also at an unknown "residential" location.

In recent weeks, police have detained or interrogated at least 269 lawyers, law firm staff, and associated human right activists, the Hong Kong-based China Human Rights Lawyers' Concern Group (CHRLCG) said on its website.

More than 20 people remain in detention, 16 of them at undisclosed locations, while many more have been placed under surveillance, police warning or house arrest.

Chen said the additional charge would make it harder to meet with Bao.

"According to the Criminal Procedure Law, where the charges involve harming state security, lawyers must get permission from the authorities before they are allowed to meet with their client," he said.

Legal assistant Zhao Wei, who was detained during the crackdown on Wang, Bao and other colleagues at Beijing's Fengrui law firm, has been incommunicado for 37 days, her lawyer Ren Quanniu told RFA.

Ren said he had applied for a meeting with his client, but the letter was sent back, marked "return to sender."

"I think it's because I wrote 'application for a meeting with a client' on the outside of it," Ren said. "I suspect that it was returned on purpose."



Activists begin postcard campaign

Activists in Hong Kong have launched a postcard campaign calling for the immediate release of rights lawyers detained in the crackdown, and staging protests outside Beijing's representative office in the former British colony.

Pan-democratic lawmaker and barrister Albert Ho said an estimated 17 people are still being held illegally or have "disappeared."

But he said he and other lawyers would continue to put pressure on the authorities.

"As long as we don't give up hope, and we keep making a fuss, I hope that we will come through this dark period," Ho said. "We have seen a lot of young human rights lawyers who have refused to give in [to persecution]."

"We will have to show even more courage to stand up and fight for peace, justice and human rights," he said.

Meanwhile, Beijing rights lawyer Yu Wensheng has filed a freedom of information request with the authorities in a bid to discover the whereabouts of the detained lawyers.

"I have written to five different government departments, but I haven't had any kind of reply from any of them," Yu told RFA in a recent interview.

"Now, I will have to use legal channels to demand that they respond, and they are supposed to investigate any lawsuit I bring against them," he said. "They are supposed to report the outcome of this investigation to me."

"I am trying to use freedom of information requests to get a clear answer about this."

Guangdong-based rights attorney Sui Muqing has also been detained on suspicion of "incitement to subvert state power," and his lawyer Liu Zhengqing has had no reply to his request for a meeting with his client.

"We don't even know where he is being held," Liu said. "I have repeatedly applied for a meeting, but they never reply."

"We have no way of knowing what is going on [with Sui]," he added. "My next step will be to try the Guangzhou municipal police department."

The crackdown on Chinese lawyers comes as the government intensifies a clampdown on all forms of civil society, including nongovernmental organizations, in an apparent bid to cleanse it of alleged "foreign influence."

Many who seek to help others defend their legal rights are accused of "picking quarrels and stirring up trouble," and sometimes the more serious national security offense of "incitement to subvert state power."

Reported by Wen Yuqing for RFA's Cantonese Service, and by Xin Lin for the Mandarin Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-probes-another-top-rights-lawyer-for-subversion-08252015110314.html
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@yacky_liu  was detained yesterday in guangzhou due to this shirt supporting chinese rights lawyers
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When I was in China I had occasion to go to the police station.  My 'apartment got in trouble' and the police wanted to see everyone's passport.  I (alone) was not willing to release my passport out of my control, having read stern warning about not doing so, so I took it to the station in person.

Everything was cool of course.  My passport was inspected quickly in the front office and the cops even gave me a lift back home.  I was aware that the cops were instructed to treat Westerns well and that seems to have been the case.

The most interesting thing was that every one of my friends and co-workers had the same reaction when I mentioned I went to the station.  That is, about a half-second of pure terror which showed in their eyes.  I also noticed that seeking help from the police did not seem to be something which was even considered by the locals.

These observations (and the pictures of the remains of the Fallon Gong people when the police got done with them) really drove home the notion of a 'police state' to me.  It also made me think that it is worth putting up a fight to try to avoid having that become the state of affairs here in the U.S.  More and more I worry that we are losing the struggle.

I do consider those fighting for human rights in China to be heros and much stronger people than I would likely every be.  I wish them the best.


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When I was in China I had occasion to go to the police station.  My 'apartment got in trouble' and the police wanted to see everyone's passport.  I (alone) was not willing to release my passport out of my control, having read stern warning about not doing so, so I took it to the station in person.

Everything was cool of course.  My passport was inspected quickly in the front office and the cops even gave me a lift back home.  I was aware that the cops were instructed to treat Westerns well and that seems to have been the case.

The most interesting thing was that every one of my friends and co-workers had the same reaction when I mentioned I went to the station.  That is, about a half-second of pure terror which showed in their eyes.  I also noticed that seeking help from the police did not seem to be something which was even considered by the locals.

These observations (and the pictures of the remains of the Fallon Gong people when the police got done with them) really drove home the notion of a 'police state' to me.  It also made me think that it is worth putting up a fight to try to avoid having that become the state of affairs here in the U.S.  More and more I worry that we are losing the struggle.

I do consider those fighting for human rights in China to be heros and much stronger people than I would likely every be.  I wish them the best.



thank you for sharing.
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