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July 12, 2015, 04:46:21 PM Last edit: July 12, 2015, 08:32:46 PM by Addition |
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So UK Prime Minister David Cameron is sticking to his guns with respect to his Conservative party planning which involves anti-trust and "Snooper" charter in turn, with respect to digital telecommunications and encryption. Media in the UK this week begun speculating that this would affect digital messaging services like WhatsApp, iMessage and Snapchat and that any PGP/End to End P2P data transmission services would be BANNED. I'm concerned at the moment because of it's potential implication to BTC and BTC-related services that currently operate in the UK. The UK is a significant part of current BTC market, however most of BTC's use there is based on third-party services which are available over the internet. I fear that these service would be prohibited to operate. i.e Localbitcoins stopped it's service within Germany for potentially violating by-laws early this year. The UK is parent to the other Countries/States within the Commonwealth realm and thus affect them also in time? Antigua and Barbuda 1981 Realm Australia 1931 Realm The Bahamas 1973 Realm Bangladesh 1972 Republic Barbados 1966 Realm Belize 1981 Realm Botswana 1966 Republic Brunei 1984 Monarchy Cameroon 1995 Republic Canada 1931 Realm Cyprus 1961 Republic Dominica 1978 Republic Fiji 1970 (rejoined in 1997 after 10 year lapse) Republic Ghana 1957 Republic Grenada 1974 Realm Guyana 1966 Republic India 1947 Republic Jamaica 1962 Realm Kenya 1963 Republic Kiribati 1979 Republic Lesotho 1966 Monarchy Malawi 1964 Republic Malaysia 1957 Monarchy The Maldives 1982 Republic Malta 1964 Republic Mauritius 1968 Republic Mozambique 1995 Republic Namibia 1990 Republic Nauru 1968 Republic New Zealand 1931 Realm Nigeria 1960 Republic Pakistan 1947 Republic Papua New Guinea 1975 Realm Rwanda 2009 Republic St. Christopher and Nevis 1983 Realm St. Lucia 1979 Realm St. Vincent and the Grenadines 1979 Realm Samoa 1970 Republic Seychelles 1976 Republic Sierra Leone 1961 Republic Singapore 1965 Republic Solomon Islands 1978 Realm South Africa 1931 (withdrew in 1961, rejoined in 1994) Republic Sri Lanka 1948 Republic Swaziland 1968 Monarchy Tanzania 1961 Republic Tonga 1970 Monarchy Trinidad and Tobago 1962 Republic Tuvalu 1978 Realm United Kingdom Realm Uganda 1962 Republic Vanuatu 1980 Republic Zambia 1964 Republic ^ above just copied/pasted Hopefully the Government will have little controll over disruption of BTC services and that fully regulated services providers will fully vet/take all acceptable client due dilagence for compliance. Certain services in alternative data transmission have been blocked by many ISP's. http://www.coindesk.com/would-uk-encryption-ban-kill-bitcoin/http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/10/snoopers-charter-bill-causes-social-outcry-as-government-looks-to-ban-whatsapp-and-others_n_7768768.html
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July 12, 2015, 05:13:07 PM |
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When will people get you can't stop Bitcoin and no government on this planet has the power to stop it....
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
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July 12, 2015, 05:24:50 PM Last edit: July 12, 2015, 08:33:58 PM by Addition |
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Hey mate, you're right! The blockchain protocol itself won't be stopped, however it's the ISP's that point Bitcoin service providers like; Bitstamp, Kraken, Localbitcoins, etc. that concern me. If the ISP's are directed by government to block these services it will at least deter some BTC businesses and startup ventures like mine from incorporating in the UK.
This potentially will also prohibate the use of encryption based technologies, like iMessage, WhatsApp or PGP data transmissions.
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July 12, 2015, 05:26:18 PM |
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The Prime Minister is an idiot. Next he's going to try to ban calculus, or maybe trigonometry.
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July 12, 2015, 05:28:06 PM |
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When will people get you can't stop Bitcoin and no government on this planet has the power to stop it....
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
Also.. I agree with your libiterian stance regarding government! That's the way it should be!! However I believe in historical metrics and sadly the government is currently made for central banks/and it's creditors and not for the people : (
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July 12, 2015, 05:39:56 PM |
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I am confused. How does banning of services like whatsapp or end to end or PGP would affect bitcoin in anyway ? Don't think they are interrelated in any manner except for some people using PGP to encrypt their communication.
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July 12, 2015, 05:40:43 PM |
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I'm confused, I thought FB owned WA?
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July 12, 2015, 05:53:11 PM |
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I am confused. How does banning of services like whatsapp or end to end or PGP would affect bitcoin in anyway ? Don't think they are interrelated in any manner except for some people using PGP to encrypt their communication.
It means they are banning stuff they don't control. If they can't read encrypted whatsapp messages at their will, how will they allow transactions between parties to happen that they cannot follow the money trail to a person or company? They want control and they are afraid they are losing it.
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July 12, 2015, 06:07:39 PM Last edit: July 12, 2015, 06:23:21 PM by DooMAD |
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As much as I despise Cameron, even I don't think he could really be that fucking braindead (but then again, when it comes to tories, there's seemingly always room for them to sink even lower in my estimations). This must be some sort of " look at me, I'm tough on terror" rhetoric and a pretense for increased government control. Aside from the fact that they haven't thought it through to conclusion and considered the consequences, the impracticalities of banning math and the lack of enforceability of such a law means that even if they were stupid enough to pass it, no one is going to pay the slightest bit of attention. Not to mention the hypocrisy of a government routinely deleting emails and destroying other documents to prevent Freedom of Information requests coming to light. They're more than happy to keep their secrets hidden from the public view. Wonder just how many scandals they might have covered up over the years. One rule for them and another for everyone else. Truly the sign of the gradual but quickening slide into authoritarianism. If it looks, sounds and smells like Fascism... The Prime Minister is an idiot. Next he's going to try to ban calculus, or maybe trigonometry.
Indeed. Terrorists could be using pi right now to calculate the blast radius of the explosion they'll need to cover several prominent landmarks. We should ban all numbers immediately, just in case terrorists might find a way to use them against us.
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July 12, 2015, 06:17:08 PM |
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When will people get you can't stop Bitcoin and no government on this planet has the power to stop it....
People need to man up and say screw the authorities, if the people don't want something g then guess what you shouldn't have it, government is made for the people not the other way around...
Also.. I agree with your libiterian stance regarding government! That's the way it should be!! However I believe in historical metrics and sadly the government is currently made for central banks/and it's creditors and not for the people : ( Some sad truth right there. Still now we have Bitcoin so there is always gonna be one country that will not be dicks.....even if it's mother Russia..
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July 12, 2015, 06:17:19 PM |
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There've been plenty of dramatic proposals through the years from politicians. More often than not when they actually try to draft a law the real experts tell them they haven't got a hope in hell and it goes silent. Another fine case in point is the attempt to ban legal highs. It's unenforceable and advisers have told them so. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/05/theresa-may-legal-highs-ban-unenforceable-government-advisersA vast chunk of world commerce depends on encryption. This'll leave all the services that operate in the UK wide open. They'll leave and the UK will be left out in the cold. The people they want to catch will skip past all this shit with a couple of clicks. Check their impressive efforts to block the piratebay. It takes a second to bypass it.
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July 12, 2015, 06:20:10 PM |
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FEAR FEAR DANGER RISK!!!!!!!!!
The only danger is these clowns, they can't hold the internet back....I just can't see it being possible. For once the people have potential power.
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July 12, 2015, 06:30:27 PM |
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Strong cryptography is an absolute need in today's Internet and any other communications, he his trying to put the entire UK's Internet infrastructure vulnerable to spying or any kind of attacks.
The proposal is to ban cryptography in all communications or only for those services used by civilians?
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July 12, 2015, 06:57:00 PM |
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i will never understand those things, it is a losing battle from the beginning and they know it. they cant stop it for just a simply reason, is not on his hands to stop it. FEAR FEAR DANGER RISK!!!!!!!!!
this is the only thing they want by doing it, that ppl get scared about it, thats all, and thats all they can do.
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July 12, 2015, 07:11:14 PM Last edit: July 12, 2015, 07:56:10 PM by DooMAD |
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Strong cryptography is an absolute need in today's Internet and any other communications, he his trying to put the entire UK's Internet infrastructure vulnerable to spying or any kind of attacks.
The proposal is to ban cryptography in all communications or only for those services used by civilians?
Tories absolutely adore the finance sector since that's where most of their donations come from, so clearly they're not going to do anything to upset the banks who use cryptography. They're also very fond of big business in general, so again, they aren't going to rock the boat there. It's pretty safe to assume there will be no meddling in those areas whatsoever. If, however, you aren't lining the tories' pockets with vast sums, expect their focus to be on screwing you over at the first available opportunity. I don't think dipshit-dave likes the internet very much, but that's okay, because we don't particularly like him either. ( alternative link without the filtering) Also, talk about mixed messages. GCHQ, the government's own security and intelligence agency seem quite fond of cryptography, educating and raising awareness about cyber security. Way to undermine one of the few good things you're managing to achieve, Dave.
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Addition (OP)
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July 12, 2015, 08:37:53 PM |
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Thanks for the link FlappySocks - listening to it now (temperatue already elevating)
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July 12, 2015, 09:11:48 PM |
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Wickr even better as you can set your messages to auto destruct after a certain period of time meaning that they are gone forever.
Also have a drive cleaning feature where it wipes the free space on your phone or pc to make sure any deleted files are also gone forever.
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