New Hardware or Scam

[TheRealSteve]

20 TH/s at 1500W?

There are the scam-dancers all over the page.

Since they're probably trying to hop on the claims of KnCMiner:  They're claiming 0.07J/Gh and their tech partner, AlChip, a 5000-core chip running at 800MHz ( http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/7c2c00e3jw1ervfedx421j20t412ttbd.jpg ), which if a 1:1 ratio would give 4Th/s.  4,000Gh/s * 0.07J/Gh = 280W.  20Th/s / 4Th/s = 5 chips.  5 * 280W = 1400W.. add a little extra for support components / a very efficient power supply, and the math roughly checks out.
Now, good luck publicly verifying KnC / AlChip's claims

( Just to make clear - in no way intended to legitimize this outfit )

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[philipma1957]

why sell miners the do 0.075 watts a gh?  

if they are real  you would mine with them.

you would find a data center if your power was too high and mine there.

once you broke them in you would announce a sale  of some with perfect proof they work.


So the chance they are real is  soooo fucking small it can't be measured.

[crazyearner]

20TH and 1500watt id say 100000000% scam theirs no miner close to braking 3TH yet without using 1,000watt of energy. We have bitmain with S4+ Hash Rate: 2570GH Power Consumption: 1480W. SO unless they have video footage and working units showing live status with a pool connected to provided by the users and videos showing connecting to pool and configuring units, its sure to be a scam so stay well away from it.

[tss]

I will go with the majority on this and say it is a scam.
Https is a secure way to make sure a company is legit because they pay hundreds of dollars($600+ from what I remember) to obtain that status every year.

https means nothing.  you can buy an ssl certificate in minutes.  the rule is NO PREORDER.

[helipotte]

Related possibly?

http://bitcoinbrothers.de/press/pr20141103

It says Q1 2015 though.

[TheRealSteve]

Bitcoin Brothers are more the slick marketing type who throw a lot of words out there with bold promises and little substance; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=844727

[shitaifan2013]

Related possibly?

http://bitcoinbrothers.de/press/pr20141103

It says Q1 2015 though.

yeah, vaporware at best. their explanation for not releasing their hardware in Q1 2015 is hillarious:
http://bitcoinbrothers.de/press-redirect/newsletter/newsletter-3-bitcoin-brothers-berlin-next-steps-to-launch-exahash-innovation-award-iot

"You did, of course, notice we did not launch our massive services in Q1 this year, as we had originally planned (and so boldly announced on the huge display on Times Square in Manhattan, New York City). Market conditions played too much into our hands, and everything we had forecast (disappearance of hardware vendors, the flat-lining hashrate, emergence of the Blockchain as the true value of Bitcoin, awareness of the scaling issue of the Blockchain for massive growth, and the trending of wealth distribution in Bitcoin starting to mimic the fiat world) happened even faster than we had expected. These are several reasons making it very tempting to hold back on the launch - since we are planning a fairly massive impact, it readies the market for corrective and innovative measures."

[QuintLeo]

Shipping Date: January 2016


 May or may not be a scam, but I'd not even bother looking at anything that far out, ESPECIALLY from a company that has "KnC chips" written all over their specs.

[miguelmorales85]

OP is originator of this scam in at least the local german forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125157.0

i do not speak german but it looks like he is taking orders on these miners.

check his posts.  and leave appropriate trust.

I have translated the first post of YesMiner user in this forum.

Hello Bitcoin forum
 

We have followed with interest your discussions here and would like to like to comment on some points.
 

1. A company to assess the location of the premises we find worrying. Of course, we could use large and representative rooms, but what for? Unlike many other companies everything is paid and above all affordable, not even our company cars are leased. We as a company prefer to invest in companies and investments in the development of products and services, including in the listed YesMiner M10 and M20 together with hosting. Also KnC did not start in the buildings where you now reside would be interesting to hear what would have triggered your visit to the early days of KnC for an echo.
 

2. We offer deliberately to PayPal in order to minimize the risk for our customers. The PayPal Buyer Protection are all on the safe side.
 

3. On eBay we just go through the verification process. If this is completed, we may also there to offer our products as a manufacturer. Unfortunately, pulls the whole bit, because we had to make more than 20 different documents available and these all are manually verified individually by eBay. These documents include, among others, all relevant documents relating to company documents to the owner and manager, descriptions of products and their components, as well as delivery notes and invoices / payments to individual components. So you see, there we are very detail-rayed in order to subsequently sell in compliance with those conditions with the eBay Sigel allowed.
 

4. We will try to be as transparent as possible and ask ourselves critical questions towards you. But see us after that we can not respond to every single question or criticism for reasons of time, after all, there is not just this forum or this platform. We also want to let the discussion take its course and they do not necessarily affect, provided that all abide by the rules. I think that's fair.

It doesnt makes too much sense to me.

[yxt]

OP is originator of this scam in at least the local german forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125157.0

i do not speak german but it looks like he is taking orders on these miners.

check his posts.  and leave appropriate trust.

willi9974 (OP) only discussed the possibility of a group purchase...

This is the account of yesminers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=534472

However, this guy take preorders and now operates as the spokesman for yesminers here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166708

[Finksy]

Scammy as shit, feedback left.

[Broggi]

The german commmunity is planning a group buy. But they only buy when they recieve 1 miner for testing before the first batch is released. When this miner is working fine and brings the performance they want to pay with PayPal.

[mavericklm]

oh yes! no scam! nooooo! not at all! this is no scam!
 

[QuintLeo]

Anyone that tries to claim that PayPal is "safe" is either deluded or a scammer.

[Tupsu]

Anyone that tries to claim that PayPal is "safe" is either deluded or a scammer.

100% agree.

YESMINERS - honest manufacturer of mining hardware or icy fraud?
YESMINERS – ehrlicher Hersteller von Mining-Hardware oder eiskalter Betrug?

http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/07/21/yesminers-ehrlicher-hersteller-von-mining-hardware-oder-eiskalter-betrug/

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbitcoinblog.de%2F2015%2F07%2F21%2Fyesminers-ehrlicher-hersteller-von-mining-hardware-oder-eiskalter-betrug%2F&edit-text=&act=url


N.B. I deleted negative feedback from theme initiator , because I should then leave the negative feedback to the the current
group purchase organizer Truman

Unfortunately, it would look like a vengeance her former eBay fraud from me.

I can only say that, for me, is Truman  not  reliable seller. He caused the damage was far more than a few hundred euros.

EDIT:

Truman erased my innocent post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136178.0

Das heiß, dass auch Bitmain erst in einigen Monaten neue Miner ausliefern wird.

Nur 10 Tage später schreibt Bitmain  ganz anders.

Used miner purchases will receive coupons towards new miner purchases

Although this current batch of Antminer S5 listed for sale are used units, Bitmain performs quality control testing on every machine to ensure that it is in proper working order before shipping to consumers.

These machines have only been running for about 40 days in our farm, so there should not be a significant impact on the performance or the total life of the machines.

Bitmain would like to offer coupons to customers who bought S4+ or S5 recently to be used towards the future purchase of our next generation of mining machine.

At this time, we are unable to provide detailed information on the new machines or the size of the coupons, but please expect an official announcement in the near future.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.4920

[Searing]

Anyone that tries to claim that PayPal is "safe" is either deluded or a scammer.

100% agree.

YESMINERS - honest manufacturer of mining hardware or icy fraud?
YESMINERS – ehrlicher Hersteller von Mining-Hardware oder eiskalter Betrug?

http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/07/21/yesminers-ehrlicher-hersteller-von-mining-hardware-oder-eiskalter-betrug/

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbitcoinblog.de%2F2015%2F07%2F21%2Fyesminers-ehrlicher-hersteller-von-mining-hardware-oder-eiskalter-betrug%2F&edit-text=&act=url


N.B. I deleted negative feedback from theme initiator , because I should then leave the negative feedback to the the current
group purchase organizer Truman

Unfortunately, it would look like a vengeance her former eBay fraud from me.

I can only say that, for me, is Truman  not  reliable seller. He caused the damage was far more than a few hundred euros.

EDIT:

Truman erased my innocent post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136178.0

Das heiß, dass auch Bitmain erst in einigen Monaten neue Miner ausliefern wird.

Nur 10 Tage später schreibt Bitmain  ganz anders.

Used miner purchases will receive coupons towards new miner purchases

Although this current batch of Antminer S5 listed for sale are used units, Bitmain performs quality control testing on every machine to ensure that it is in proper working order before shipping to consumers.

These machines have only been running for about 40 days in our farm, so there should not be a significant impact on the performance or the total life of the machines.

Bitmain would like to offer coupons to customers who bought S4+ or S5 recently to be used towards the future purchase of our next generation of mining machine.

At this time, we are unable to provide detailed information on the new machines or the size of the coupons, but please expect an official announcement in the near future.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.4920

well this likely will get erased too

here are some 'optimistic' folk buying 'vouchers' for the YESMINER on ebay ...they take paypal etc but you have to remember Ebay does not cover any 'virtual products' so
I assume that means coupons/bitcoin/ any other codes for games etc..so even if you paid for these vouchers under paypal and ebay policies...you'd likely not be protected and never imho  get your money back under ebay and paypal policies ..if this is all a scam..... I think that is how it works on the ebay/paypal end of things.

not saying yes miner is a scam...it may be the "real deal" but unfortunately at this point in time hard to tell to say the least...looks too much like previous duck decoys ...damn
hard to spot a real duck on pre-orders and setups like this

there is the feeding frenzy of folk trying to bid up 'yes miner discount vouchers' (ah to be young and foolish as a cryto newbie) the ebay link is below:


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xyesminer.TRS0&_nkw=yesminer&_sacat=0

well for what it is worth for you all to look over

[2double0]

They don't even know the spelling of English, just check the top left corner of the page.
You will find Your Language: Englisch

Do you still think they are worth watching?

[Searing]

They don't even know the spelling of English, just check the top left corner of the page.
You will find Your Language: Englisch

Do you still think they are worth watching?

they are 90% scam imho and 10% well intentioned maybe w/o a chance in hell of pulling it off..either way the whole thing puts the RISK ON YOU
NOT THEM so avoid is my view

but fun to watch in a tree getting blown over kinda way

[gablay12]

SCAM

[baristor]

They way the promising alot and 6 months in advance take your money with very less hopes of u getting it back incase things go wrong way, sounds legit : Skam