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September 27, 2015, 07:03:19 PM
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i didnt try making my bitcoin transactions untraceable yet though i am pretty sure that i would mix my coins with bitmixer a few times though i still dont know if it would be completely untraceable
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September 27, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
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you should make your bitcoin anonymous from the start. which means you should buy it with cash from someone and place it in a new address.
this way it will have no links to you, because buying from any sort of exchange or using credit card would link it to you.

I think this would be a good idea, if a large majority of people had bitcoin and you could find people to sell/buy anywhere in the world... but where I live, there is hardly no one that carries bitcoin or would want to sell them.  I've check on localbitcoins website a good amount of times, and still have trouble finding someone in my area that's worth the drive.

Also, it would be nice to have bitcoinATM's to be able to buy with cash... but again, there are none where I live...

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September 27, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
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you should make your bitcoin anonymous from the start. which means you should buy it with cash from someone and place it in a new address.
this way it will have no links to you, because buying from any sort of exchange or using credit card would link it to you.

I think this would be a good idea, if a large majority of people had bitcoin and you could find people to sell/buy anywhere in the world... but where I live, there is hardly no one that carries bitcoin or would want to sell them.  I've check on localbitcoins website a good amount of times, and still have trouble finding someone in my area that's worth the drive.

Also, it would be nice to have bitcoinATM's to be able to buy with cash... but again, there are none where I live...

BitcoinATMs aren't anonymous, so you're yet again dragging yourself out of anonymity. The simple fact is that Bitcoin is not designed to be, nor will it ever be, completely anonymous.

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September 28, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
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you should make your bitcoin anonymous from the start. which means you should buy it with cash from someone and place it in a new address.
this way it will have no links to you, because buying from any sort of exchange or using credit card would link it to you.

I think this would be a good idea, if a large majority of people had bitcoin and you could find people to sell/buy anywhere in the world... but where I live, there is hardly no one that carries bitcoin or would want to sell them.  I've check on localbitcoins website a good amount of times, and still have trouble finding someone in my area that's worth the drive.

Also, it would be nice to have bitcoinATM's to be able to buy with cash... but again, there are none where I live...
Depending on your location's AML/KYC policy, your ATM may need your driver's license in order for you to buy BTC. Some manufacturers, like Robocoin requires the operator to turn it on regardless of whether it is required or not. The best way is to buy a gift card and trade it on localbitcoins or the currency exchange section, just keep the receipt as some requires it to verify that you didn't buy it from stolen credit cards.

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September 28, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
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you should make your bitcoin anonymous from the start. which means you should buy it with cash from someone and place it in a new address.
this way it will have no links to you, because buying from any sort of exchange or using credit card would link it to you.

If you use it at some point, you've now created a link between you and the coins. So you still aren't anonymous.

I think we need to define what you regard as anonymous and the situation you use your coins in. You can still keep your identity secret but not if you post you public info along with the transaction or it is linked somehow.
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September 28, 2015, 10:07:03 AM
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- Just send it to a exchange and trade it for Doge.
- Move the Doge to a other exchange.
- Trade the Doge back for BTC
- Send the BTC to a new wallet.

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September 28, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
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- Just send it to a exchange and trade it for Doge.
- Move the Doge to a other exchange.
- Trade the Doge back for BTC
- Send the BTC to a new wallet.

Simply as that.  Grin

if you send for example 2.68btc worth of doge to various exchanges, and then withdraw the amount in btc 2.68btc directly to your wallet it still might be tracable as people can simply search for 2.68btc transactions. best is to wait a few days and withdraw it in 3 steps.
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September 28, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
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use this https://xmr.to/

they should be trustworthy, but they would be the one to know from where the coin come
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September 28, 2015, 06:01:06 PM
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- Just send it to a exchange and trade it for Doge.
- Move the Doge to a other exchange.
- Trade the Doge back for BTC
- Send the BTC to a new wallet.

Simply as that.  Grin

if you send for example 2.68btc worth of doge to various exchanges, and then withdraw the amount in btc 2.68btc directly to your wallet it still might be tracable as people can simply search for 2.68btc transactions. best is to wait a few days and withdraw it in 3 steps.

And not just that, you have left the traces that are recoverable if someone wants to work hard to recover the or it has power to find them, let's say government agency or some other entity. So this is not untraceable after all.

It's actually quite hard to stay anonymous even with crypto and Bitcoin. Earlier in this thread I have explained the only sure way to stay semi anonymous, meaning to stay known only by your Bitcoin address.
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September 28, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
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May have been already posted but there is a difference between having untraceable transactions and having untraceable bitcoins.

Completely untraceable transactions are not possible as far as I know.  You can try but anything that is close requires third-parties (mixers, exchangers, off-blockchain transactions) which creates a traceable papertrail, no matter what the third party says. 

Completely untraceable addresses are only possible if you mine a block, then you get 25 untraceable bitcoins because they are brand new.  Somewhat untraceable bitcoins can be had by earning them online, selling stuff for them in person or using local bitcoins to buy them using cash without ID.

Some governments may prohibit so you should check, if you care.

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May have been already posted but there is a difference between having untraceable transactions and having untraceable bitcoins.

Completely untraceable transactions are not possible as far as I know.  You can try but anything that is close requires third-parties (mixers, exchangers, off-blockchain transactions) which creates a traceable papertrail, no matter what the third party says. 

Completely untraceable addresses are only possible if you mine a block, then you get 25 untraceable bitcoins because they are brand new.  Somewhat untraceable bitcoins can be had by earning them online, selling stuff for them in person or using local bitcoins to buy them using cash without ID.

Some governments may prohibit so you should check, if you care.



And as soon as you send those BTC/try to spend/withdraw them, now you've created the link. Some people in this thread seem to be naive about how simple it is to track coins once they're actually being used, despite all the research proving how trivial it really is.

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September 29, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
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i didnt try making my bitcoin transactions untraceable yet though i am pretty sure that i would mix my coins with bitmixer a few times though i still dont know if it would be completely untraceable

Yes I also not thinking of making my transaction not tracble. But I heard there are many bitcoin mixing services which offer the services of not traceability into bitcoin transactions. I need to praise them for the extra features adding into bitcoin to make it more versatile.
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September 30, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
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Bitcoin needs more anonymity features, coin mixers are cool but not enough. You still have to trust the mixer owner, it's not decentralized.
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October 04, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
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Agree, there are some projects which try to achieve this. A theoretical paper has already been released. As far as i know, JL777 has been implemented a first version of this paper.

http://crypsys.mmci.uni-saarland.de/projects/CoinShuffle/

Bitcoin needs more anonymity features, coin mixers are cool but not enough. You still have to trust the mixer owner, it's not decentralized.
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October 04, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
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Poloniex is a good way to mix your BTC
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October 04, 2015, 10:12:10 PM
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Poloniex is a good way to mix your BTC

It is not, they keep all your history and activity on the site also IP address.

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October 09, 2015, 06:51:42 AM
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use a mixer. you send your coins to them, and they give you new coins. you're then untraceable
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October 09, 2015, 06:58:19 AM
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I dont know i think Bitcoin is already anonymous isn't it?

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October 09, 2015, 07:00:42 AM
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I dont know i think Bitcoin is already anonymous isn't it?

OP don't want that his transaction are traced too, right now bitcoin does not connect your name/ip to your address, unless you specify it if you buy something online

but at the end you need to specify it, this is why we are talking about a way to hide the transaction instead
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October 09, 2015, 08:19:04 AM
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I heard many mixer services will make our transactions untraceable by using different bitcoin addresses. very much useful services.
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