winspiral's other faucet [1 satoshi][+5000 satshi activity bonus]

[Gifted]

You are deemed to fail with this type of method. Just because you fully understand what you want to do does not mean that others will get it as easily as you.

A faucet that pays out 1 satoshi is RIDICULOUS. I know that I can just pass up on your faucet and not say anything about it here, but I want others to know what type of scam you are trying to pull. You make far more from advertising from our pageviews than 1 satoshi per user per visit. And for you to "randomly" select who you give the 5000 satoshi bonuses to based on their activities is a waste of time on your users' behalf, and you should be morally ashamed.

The best thing for you to do should be to leave the minimum payout 1 satoshi, and introduce some higher payouts, like the 5000 option at a lower probability, because in the end, there is no way that a user can verify the authenticity of your 5000 satoshi bonus, which smells like a scam.

Look, if it takes a whole 4 pages on a forum to try and explain what you're doing, and people STILL don't get it, it might be time to tell yourself it's a bad idea.

Sorry to shit on your vision and your faucet, but the moment I saw this thread and checked out your website, I immediately thought "scam". Paying out 1 satoshi per claim with the promise of an provably fair chance at 5000 satoshis based on their activity is just ridiculously greedy.

Stop taking advantage of people, especially while running 13 advertisements on your faucet page while only paying out 1 satoshi.

Well said.....I couldn't have said it better myself.....I keep coming back to this page because i think its funny that he thinks people are going to use his faucet. People are not stupid on here...but i guess some people are to think this would work...

[winspiral]

Well said.....I couldn't have said it better myself.....I keep coming back to this page because i think its funny that he thinks people are going to use his faucet. People are not stupid on here...but i guess some people are to think this would work... Roll Eyes

I think nothing...
I discover...
My faucet is an extraordinary survey.
My faucet is not comparable with other faucets.
With other faucet you have not the choice:
you like them or you do not like them.
Here you are actor of the faucet.
You claim:you are actor
You do not claim you are actor too.

[winspiral]

So far 1947 potential bonus winners (bonus = activity bonus + referrer bonus)
So far 1513500 satoshi won with the bonus

We can see that already 1947 people have tried this game.
Do not hear about what here is said about the "only 1 satoshi" because it is wrong.
Work with your brain and not with other's one.
The ones who have wrote here have not analysed the game and mislead you.

You are I hope clever enough to take the right decision,you do not need the opinion from people who have absolutly not understood this game.

it's a game.
if you want be sure to earn a good average reward per claim then just claim once a week and you will be among the best reward per claim claimers.

Have a nice day and if something is not clear...ask the person who can answer the best...and this person is me (lol)
The "wrong writers" here have no prooves of what they say.
You have all you need on the site and you can then after analyse take the right decision.
Shame on the ones who can here only say:1 satoshi 1 satoshi 1 satoshi (lol)

[BTCforJoe]

I played last week, and I played this week. You know how much I got in total? 6 satoshi. Out of those "1948 potential bonus winners", not everyone gets 5000 satoshi, which makes this a horrible investment of time for any fauceter. I'm not trying to talk shit for the sake of talking shit, I'm just saying your traffic would be highly increased if you modified your payouts AND kept the bonus. If you don't believe me, just try it out for a week or two, and then modify this thread to reflect your changes. I'm willing to bet that you are only listed with a couple rotators at the moment, if any, at all. If you modify your payouts, I guarantee that more rotators will add your site, increasing YOUR earnings from ad revenue, as well.

I'm just saying that as a fauceter that has been doing this for a long time (an experienced fauceter), I have no desire to want to visit your site. It's too complicated, the payouts are too low, and the "bonus" thing is something that I won't want to remember when I'm going through hundreds of other faucets every day.

The method you currently have will never allow your site to become a part of my daily rotation, nor would I ever recommend it to rotator owners. I know that you're trying to be innovative with your bonus structure, but I'm telling you, you will get much more positive feedback from changing your payout structure to something like "100 (25%), 250 (25%), 300 (25%), 400 (15%), 500 (5%), 750 (4%), 1000, (1%)" and then still continuing to offer a 5,000 bonus after every round (You can designate how long each round lasts).

Just my opinion, and I'm trying to help you out. Otherwise I wouldn't be taking so much time to reply to you.

[winspiral]

Thanks for just your opinion.
But I feel in your mind all turns around my profit.

So far 1951 potential bonus winners (bonus = activity bonus + referrer bonus)
So far 1523500 satoshi won with the bonus

I have checked and if my checking is right,the faucet runs 100 days.
So we have in average 15000 satoshi bonus  per day

If the average per claim is low it is why people claim to much.
Claim less and the average will grow.
But if the average grow...people claim more...and then the average decreases...
it's market law.
You can say 100 times or 1000 times my faucets pay not enough...it is lost of time.The market will regulate  it "naturally".

I run this faucet and the market regulates it around the 15000 satoshi per day.
My other faucet is market regulated around a reward per day too.
My other "private" faucet is regulated too because the members have choice:
300 satoshi sure or a randomly par of 10000 satoshi decreasing if many members claim...
so all is as well market regulated.
My investment site (so attacked here too because taken for a ponzi) there is the investment regulated by the market...
if too much investors then the profit goes down...

This should demonstrate to all here that I do not run towards gig profit or claimers or members or investors...etc...
But that I propose just games where people play or not if they estimate that it is nt worth...
but at a moment or an other it is always worth because if too few participation the profit is big.

I played last week, and I played this week. You know how much I got in total? 6 satoshi.

Have you spaced the claims?
or have you claim 3 time ech week after 30 minutes?
if so it is a bad strategy because you have not earned the maximum activity points.
with 2 claim you have almost the same actinity points than for 6 claims
and all claimers who have claimed 3 times good spaced have more than you.

Sorry;
the principle is the same for everyone I cannot set the game for each personnal wish.

[thefaucetrunner]

I keep seeing large blocks of shouty text telling people about 'the market' and you claim to have paid out 0.01 in 'bonuses'.

No disrespect, but I've paid 11BTC to my users over 6+ months and even offering them 1 satoshi is a complete disrespect. I think you misunderstand the faucet ecosphere.

How much BTC do you even have? To think this thread is as long as it is when my thread barely seems to get past 2 pages (and I offer nearly 3000 satoshi per hour across four sites) is a joke.

Users/admins like this don't really help anyone. It's clear you want to make money - and to defend a ponzi by saying 'it's not a ponzi' is even funnier.

[BTCforJoe]

15,000 per day is all you're paying out?! That's not even $0.04 a day...

And this proves my point exactly. You're only paying out $0.04 a day, and with 16-18 advertisements on the page, you've got to be making more than that, especially after counting on your visitors' retention of clicking for 1 satoshi at a time. You want to talk about "Market Law", whatever the fuck that is... You'll soon see that as less and less people start coming to your faucet, your "market law" will dictate that you will stop earning from ad revenue.

I tried to be constructive in a manner that would help you understand why what you're doing is taken so negatively amongst some of us "expert" fauceters, and why you'll never have the loyalty of your visitors with this model, but I know that this is an uphill battle. So before I start flaming you for the sake of flaming you, this will be my last post in your thread. But as a last word, let me just say SHAME ON YOU for taking advantage of your visitors by only paying out 15,000 satoshi per day hahahahahahaha

Good luck; you're going to need it.

[winspiral]

time will tell us about ...be patient.

[thefaucetrunner]

I'll be waiting, but not for you, not on your sites and definitely not in this thread. I can't think of anything else to write that's actually worth anything - the fact that my signature campaign pays 4x what you pay out per day PER POST says a WHOLE lot about the Bitcoin ecosphere and fair amount about you as well! You should really reassess your intent.

It's quite baffling.

[BTCforJoe]

I'll be waiting, but not for you, not on your sites and definitely not in this thread. I can't think of anything else to write that's actually worth anything - the fact that my signature campaign pays 4x what you pay out per day PER POST says a WHOLE lot about the Bitcoin ecosphere and fair amount about you as well! You should really reassess your intent.

It's quite baffling.

I agree with this statement.

winspiral, I don't know if you talk to other faucet owners, but the semi-successful ones (not just the top ones) payout anywhere from 100,000 to 500,000 satoshi per DAY. Yet they continue to do that because they bring in the traffic from fauceters who (a) return religiously according to the claim frequency and (b) refer all of the fauceters they can to visit the site. I'm willing to bet that your visitor retention rate is extremely low, and your referrals are non-existent. I don't know if YOU know the way that "market law" works, but the more visitors you have, the more the ad networks pay you.

Okay okay, I'm done here. And as you say, "time will tell us about... be patient"... I'm more than willing to wager 1BTC that I make more BTC in one day from being a fauceter than you do being a faucet owner.

[winspiral]

Do not think that the 500000 or 1000000 satoshi fall easily from sky.

And if it is for do the same who is already existing it does not interest me...
I propose and people take or not...
you cannot say that I propose more than I can hold with 1 satoshi...(lol)

[Gifted]

There are three kinds of people in this world....some that see it......some that see it when shown and some that will never see it

Its ok Winspiral if you don't see it, it's just in your nature.  Good Luck   

[winspiral]

There are three kinds of people in this world....some that see it......some that see it when shown and some that will never see it

Its ok Winspiral if you don't see it, it's just in your nature.  Good Luck   

My nature is to programme "things" for the fun
I propose and people are enough clever to analyse themselves.
It is very very seldom if I see on other faucets so much information than of mines.

Not one day is passed without I claim on faucets and after i do not see the captchas or the anti-bot
or with lessages such "insufficient funds" or "or many claims for today" or other tricks to avoid payments.

I see hundreds of faucets when I pay my claimers per faucetbox who have claimed on other faucets less than on mines.

if people keep up not understand that my faucets are different i can only keep up to learn it to them.

My info at my eyes are enough to play.
But if people do not read these info i cannot force them.

it's a game and if claimers claim "blind" it id almost sure that the average reward will not be interesting.

if you play blind poker...do you see (lol) what I will say?

I played last week, and I played this week. You know how much I got in total? 6 satoshi.

Thanks it is a good example:
I cannot see who you are...but some claimers have already won 5000 satoshi with less claims.

So 6 claims and earned 6 satoshi.
You have different solutions:
you stop claiming and you have 6 satoshi

you keep up claiming and you will it is sure a day earn 5000 satoshi.
I advice you to stop after the 5000 satoshi earning.

But all is in transparence.
You can see the earning of the last claimers
the top winners
and the top claimers.

This should help you to buy your own strategy.
If you believe that claiming on other faucets is better...it is NORMAL that you claim there where it is better.
if you do not so something works not well in your brain.

Do you believe that all the top claimers are fool?
If they claim and claim it is because they like claiming on my faucets even if sometime they earn less,but if you are frustrating not finding the captcha...perhaps you will go back claiming by winspiral.

Sometimes I have 30 claimers per day...and if I give 15000 out I'm in a good average among all the faucets we can see on the net.

One can say what one want...the market is always righ.

Let's suppose I give 30000 satoshi...ok i will perhaps then have 60 claimers,but for the claimers nothing is different.

And BTW 15000 per day is an average per day since the start of the faucet and this does not mean that it is at the moment so.

[thefaucetrunner]

You're disgusting.

I offer 444x the amount you do per hour on my lowest paying faucet. You're a scumbag.

[winspiral]

You're disgusting.

I offer 444x the amount you do per hour on my lowest paying faucet. You're a scumbag.

This does absolutly not matter.
the day you offer 444x the amount I offer to claimers i will certainly aplause.

My best claimers are earning 1650 satoshi per claim.
its hard because the other ones push down the average reward per claim...I cannot avoid,because it is the principle of the individual earning.

I hope you are not jalous about my game...
this morning 2 winners have won 5000 satoshi for 7 claims and 1 winner for 8 claims.

I know many faucets giving less...and on my faucet you have no need to click 8 unvisible "antibot"

[thefaucetrunner]

Do you know how many prizes of 4444, 5555, 7777 and 3333 I have paid out in the last week?

In fact I often pay double these amounts as users win during my Bonus Hour (or with their daily loyalty claim bonus)

So this figure can be up to 150% higher than the top prizes I offer.

I pay out over 10,000,000 satoshis per day - how much do you pay out bro?

[BTCforJoe]

The more you try to justify yourself, the more you look like an idiot, just my opinion. If it's working for you, just ignore the haters and stop feeding them with more ammunition to make you look stupid. Because that's exactly what you're doing.

If you're happy with your faucet and your traffic to it, then by all means, enjoy your life, but like I said: the more you try to justify your faucet, the more you look like an idiot.

Hey, buddy. Every time you write a long response to anyone that writes something about your faucet, it makes you look like you're trying too hard to prove that your method is a good one. If so many people doubt it, then it's not proven to the masses, but to the few select that like to play this style of game... If you're happy with that, then good for you, but the more you write a long ass explanation of why you do what you do, the more you look like an idiot.

So I just wrote the same shit several times. Will you get it, finally? Nope. But that's exactly what YOU'RE doing. There's nothing that you're going to say that will change the minds of those that don't think this is a good idea, just in the same way that there's nothing that they will say that will change your mind, either.

By the way, the more you talk, the more you sound like a babbling idiot.

[BTCforJoe]

Do you know how many prizes of 4444, 5555, 7777 and 3333 I have paid out in the last week?

In fact I often pay double these amounts as users win during my Bonus Hour (or with their daily loyalty claim bonus)

So this figure can be up to 150% higher than the top prizes I offer.

I pay out over 10,000,000 satoshis per day - how much do you pay out bro?

For the record, winspiral, on The Faucet Runner, my balance since about 12 hours ago from the site is as follows:

Current balance: 12,987 satoshis

That number will easily be 20,000 by the time I cash out before midnight again tonight. And I'm just one guy. And I know I'm not the only guy cashing out on this site. And this is only 1 out of 4 faucets (that I'm aware of) that thefaucetrunner operates.

So I truly don't believe that you will find more qualified advice and criticism from anyone else on the forums like he has given you. I'm sure he knows what formulas work for running a faucet, and I'm fairly certain he's profitable at it... Otherwise, he wouldn't launch one faucet after the next after the next...

Just sayin.

[winspiral]

Do you know how many prizes of 4444, 5555, 7777 and 3333 I have paid out in the last week?

In fact I often pay double these amounts as users win during my Bonus Hour (or with their daily loyalty claim bonus)

So this figure can be up to 150% higher than the top prizes I offer.

I pay out over 10,000,000 satoshis per day - how much do you pay out bro?

I do not know exactly...in average it is 15000 satoshi per day.
but this can chage sometimes 10000 ...sometimes 50000
the first days I paid too much and I lost satoshi...
It does not matter but I cannot lost for ever...(lol)
But nowadays I certainly make a little profit.
If the profit is stable...i can increase the earning of claimers.

[BTCforJoe]

But nowadays I certainly make a little profit.
If the profit is stable...i can increase the earning of claimers.

You finally said something that makes a bit of sense.

Listen, we all know that although there is a bit of a drive for us to get the word about Bitcoin out there, which is what drives faucet owners to become, well, faucet owners, but let's be honest. The real motivation behind it is the money. The profit. If it wasn't profitable, why would you waste so much time and energy into creating the site and offering people rewards for visiting?

I'm going to try to break it to you in a way that you might understand a bit better. After the invention of the wheel, do you think others tried to make something better than that? Was there anything better than the wheel that could have been used to transport people and things? After the wheel was invented, I'm sure that word travelled fast (faster than before the wheel was invented), and within a certain period of time, EVERYONE was using the wheel around the globe.

But then let's say that an inventor came along and created a block. With a hole in it. He rounded the edges of the corners a bit. It wasn't round, like a wheel, but it still turned, with much greater force. Let's say that he then took this block, put it on a wagon, and rolled up into town. And while he was in town, he told everyone that people could buy this block, because he was offering it much cheaper than the wheel. And to make up for it not being as effective as a round wheel, let's imagine that he said he would give random people that used this wheel a lifetime supply of them.

Here's the moral of this little story. Just because he was giving away a lifetime supply of these square wheels doesn't make it more efficient than the round wheel. Nor does it make it more effective. Or more attractive to the villagers to buy a single square wheel, even with the promise of a lifetime supply for a few lucky villagers that purchased that wheel!

That's what you're doing. You've made a square wheel, and although some people probably may think it's cool, it's not effective. You may sell one or two or three of them here and there, but I guarantee that if you focused on producing round wheels, like everyone else, you would make much more profit selling those, with much less effort, than the one or two sales you're currently getting for your square wheels.

In other words, I'll put it simply in a very well-known saying: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There's a reason why other faucet owners (take thefaucetrunner, for example) are making much more money than you. It's because they've taken a proven model, and branded it as their own, using very similar methods to other faucet owners.

I really hope that you can see this in a better light, and understand that you could make more of a profit from doing this, simply by running a faucet like others. You can always add your own spin, like how thefaucetrunner has the crazy bonus hours, and runner's bonus... but make your own promotion. Just don't do it by giving away 5,000 satoshi to fauceters that waste their time claiming 1 satoshi. That's like giving a starving man (amongst a starving village) a fish, right after you slap him in the face with it.

That's all I got.

*drops mic*