ISIS' Image Problem?

[jaysabi]

ISIS bans execution videos because of image backlash?

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has banned any more execution videos by the Islamic State, but the orders reportedly have created a division with the organization's ranks.

ARA News reported that, according to sources, al-Baghdadi was responding to the feelings of Muslims who regarded the videos as "disgusting and scary to children."

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"Some of IS militants supported Baghdadi's decision, taking into consideration criticism of the public that describes scenes of beheadings as barbaric," wrote ARA News' Jan Nasro. "While other militants rejected the decision saying that such scenes are meant to intimidate their enemies, represented by western powers, and not the common folk."

According to the website Middle East Eye.net, a number of Arabic-language news agencies said on Friday that Baghdadi explained his decision in a statement delivered to media offices in Syria and Iraq.

The website said Baghdadi ordered that his followers don't include scenes of the actual executions in their videos and limit them to moments before or after the act.

Full Article: http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-execution-videos-isis/2015/07/20/id/657960/

Sounds like banning the execution part of the videos is to prevent eroding popular support. Cuz what would they be if they lost that?

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[Sourgummies]

It was effective at getting the worlds attention but no long needed to grow their cause. Those that want to can splinter but stay loyal and that would attract more moderate types to the cause. End of the day they need as many hands on deck as they can get to spread this movement.

[Lethn]

...... I can't believe this.... Even ISIS isn't immune to political correctness!

[Wilikon]

It was effective at getting the worlds attention but no long needed to grow their cause. Those that want to can splinter but stay loyal and that would attract more moderate types to the cause. End of the day they need as many hands on deck as they can get to spread this movement.

What would be the best methods to do this now?

[Sourgummies]

Maybe something against the environment maybe drowning a few polar bears for good measure.

[Sourgummies]

In all fairness I think they start to establish making themselves more legit. I know they are trying to make themselves more presentable but they have many factions under one flag that could cause issues.

[Buttknuckle]

I was confused by the title, and reading the thread has not helped any.  Isis's what now?  They will never have a good image, so why do they bother?

[Sourgummies]

I was confused by the title, and reading the thread has not helped any.  Isis's what now?  They will never have a good image, so why do they bother?

They are not trying to recruit you though,so the idea of clean image to them will not be the same for you.

[Wilikon]

I was confused by the title, and reading the thread has not helped any.  Isis's what now?  They will never have a good image, so why do they bother?

They are not trying to recruit you though,so the idea of clean image to them will not be the same for you.

Most people are confused about the message Isis is pushing. No one can be sure what they are about...

[jaysabi]

It was effective at getting the worlds attention but no long needed to grow their cause. Those that want to can splinter but stay loyal and that would attract more moderate types to the cause. End of the day they need as many hands on deck as they can get to spread this movement.

The moderate extremist. That sounds like an SNL character!

[jaysabi]

I was confused by the title, and reading the thread has not helped any.  Isis's what now?  They will never have a good image, so why do they bother?

The thread is essentially about irony. ISIS is a group that brutally murders people on video, then proudly puts those videos on the Internet. Now their leader has banned showing the murders in the videos because it makes them look barbaric to other Muslims, who are concerned that their children might see the brutality, not that they would support a group that is so brutal in the first place. Bottom line is that ISIS thinks by no longer showing the murders in the video, they can improve their image. The irony of a group that proudly commits such atrocities being worried about how that makes them look is amusing to me, as far as anything on this topic can be amusing.

[Buffer Overflow]

Now the video ISIS lot and the anti-video ISIS lot will be fighting each other.

[Sithara007]

I don't think that this news is reliable. For long, the ISIS has used this type of gory and graphic videos to recruit psychopaths and mental patients from around the world. If they stop publishing these videos on their Twitter and YouTube accounts, then their recruitment drive will take a severe hit. And right now, they can't afford to do the same.

[Orangina]

they just want to look with a nice so people look them from another side but they won't success . they are animal and they do not represent Islam or any other religion in anyway

[Epileptic_Neurosurgeon]

I don't think that this news is reliable. For long, the ISIS has used this type of gory and graphic videos to recruit psychopaths and mental patients from around the world. If they stop publishing these videos on their Twitter and YouTube accounts, then their recruitment drive will take a severe hit. And right now, they can't afford to do the same.

While they definitely do appeal to many of the mentioned people. One would be naive to think it is true for all, or even most of the people they recruit. Their propaganda has been quite sophisticated and they have shown to be appealing for many otherwise normal young citizens, often feeling like they are not a part of society because of segregation and discrimination. The thought of belonging to cause bigger than their own lives can have a very strong appeal to these people.  Most of them will probably find that the reality of this cause is less glorious than they had thought, but often too late.

[jaysabi]

I don't think that this news is reliable. For long, the ISIS has used this type of gory and graphic videos to recruit psychopaths and mental patients from around the world. If they stop publishing these videos on their Twitter and YouTube accounts, then their recruitment drive will take a severe hit. And right now, they can't afford to do the same.

It comes publicly from their leader. Whether or not it will prove popular with the whole organization and be respected is another matter.

[BLKBITZ]

It will probably be respected and followed through with.

[Spendulus]

Now the video ISIS lot and the anti-video ISIS lot will be fighting each other.

Let the cameras roll as the mutual beheadings begin!

[Trifixion713]

Has anyone really watched these videos? The reason I ask is because I had seen several of the beheading videos and not once did they actually show a beheading, but when I watched the immolation video of the Jordanian pilot, it was clear this had been staged and reminded me more of an MTV music video than anything. Then I saw this footage:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkxh3DbMHqU

CyberBerkut (Google Translation):

We CyberBerkut received at the disposal of the file whose value can not be overstated!

Dear Senator McCain! We recommend you next time in foreign travel, and especially on the territory of Ukraine, not to take confidential documents.

On one of the devices of your colleagues, we found a lot of interesting things. Something we decided to put: this video should become the property of the international community!

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The 3 ½ minute silent video appears to show infamous Islamic State executioner Jihadi John (aka Mohammed Emwazi) in front of a giant green screen, standing beside a kneeling hostage wearing an orange jumpsuit and a green screen hood. They are inside a lit studio with a production crew and can be seen rehearsing an “execution”. The desert scene of the set, complete with wind machine, are similar to that shown in the beheading videos of James Foley, Steven Sotloff, David Haines, and Alan Henning.

British forensic experts concluded that the James Foley video was likely staged using “camera trickery and slick post-production techniques.”

Terrorism research expert Veryan Khan said the video of Japanese hostages Kenji Goto and Haruna Yukawa looks like it was completed in an indoor studio with a false backdrop, pointing to the light source on the men that appears to be coming from two different directions — as opposed to one bright sun.

Hollywood horror film director Mary Lambert said of the Islamic State video showing the killing of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians on a Libyan beach, that “in the opening shot all the figures might be animated. They never had more than six men on the beach … The close-ups of jihadists on the beach are most likely green screen … The sea turning red is obviously FX.”

Journalist Thomas Wictor has claimed that the Islamic State video showing Jordanian pilot Mu’ath al-Kaseasbeh burned alive was actually fake, pointing to evidence of CGI flames and video glitches.

http://leaksource.info/2015/07/12/leaked-video-shows-making-of-islamic-state-execution-in-studio-via-cyberberkut-hack-of-sen-mccain-staffer/

[waterpile]

ISIS bans execution videos because of image backlash?

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has banned any more execution videos by the Islamic State, but the orders reportedly have created a division with the organization's ranks.

ARA News reported that, according to sources, al-Baghdadi was responding to the feelings of Muslims who regarded the videos as "disgusting and scary to children."

...

"Some of IS militants supported Baghdadi's decision, taking into consideration criticism of the public that describes scenes of beheadings as barbaric," wrote ARA News' Jan Nasro. "While other militants rejected the decision saying that such scenes are meant to intimidate their enemies, represented by western powers, and not the common folk."

According to the website Middle East Eye.net, a number of Arabic-language news agencies said on Friday that Baghdadi explained his decision in a statement delivered to media offices in Syria and Iraq.

The website said Baghdadi ordered that his followers don't include scenes of the actual executions in their videos and limit them to moments before or after the act.

Full Article: http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-execution-videos-isis/2015/07/20/id/657960/

Sounds like banning the execution part of the videos is to prevent eroding popular support. Cuz what would they be if they lost that?

whats the point?.. they are still killing people
like removing the part that they are beheading people will change their image as  non violent org.