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July 30, 2015, 08:23:54 PM
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Until today i still say it's not possible. But maybe in 10years or 20years later it'll become possible. Gold price has crashed and gone down continously since one month ago and bitcoin price go higher. But Gold still win in popularity.

The price of gold has its up and down. Only a few years ago the price of gold was at record levels. Amount never seen before. So the down price of today's days is normal cycle of the price of one good that has his cycle of price. Gold will never decline. There are hundred of years that serve as a etalon.

But I don't think that bitcoin can ever crash gold even in the future, the fluctuation in gold price is a part and parcel, this is since the inception of gold, so even at present if gold prices are going down, it would go much higher in the future.
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July 31, 2015, 05:56:38 AM
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If anyone thinks we are about to take off and start mining asteroids any time in the near future you need a reality check.

All the gold ever mined could still fit inside an average sized 4 bedroom house, all $8.2 trillion of it now that is rare!

The thing is, gold is being rated and priced according to it's rarity and it's proven not to be the case. They find new gold deposits on earth too, and the mining operations are getting better at extracting it. It has also been found on asteroids, with the possibility for it to be mined in the future.

I love gold, but it's impact on earth is devastating based on the damage that is done to extract it. The most damage is done, in areas that are very remote and poorly regulated. Lots of trees and plants are removed to excavate and animals are killed and water are polluted.

How many people have died in mining accidents? <shaft collapse / lung problems / mud slides / crime>
The cost of that average sized 4 bedroom house full of gold was huge. 

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July 31, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
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I don't think it ever will... I truely believe BTC will become a mainstream payment method, but i don't think it'll ever replace gold... People love shiny things  Grin

Couldn't agree with you more.
yup he is totally wrong.
As Bitcoin is a digital currency and not physical just like gold.
But if you like shiny things than you can buy physical Bitcoin (that much simple).
But as Bitcoin is just a child against gold which is from ages.
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July 31, 2015, 06:59:24 PM
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What people seem to forget, that gold is used in many of the things we use today.
No not jewellery.. but it's also used in smartphones etc.

Due to it's industrial usage and history, if you look at it with a macro view, you will see the current downtrend in gold is no big deal.

IMHO it will always stay a valuable good and hopefully it will co-exist with Bitcoins.

My 2 cents
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July 31, 2015, 07:07:14 PM
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I believe in technology ( bitcoin & other crypto currencies) more than gold .
Gold is good but in real its very hard to buy things with it, special small ones and it can be counterfeited and its still have weigh which makes it hard to move & store .
But bitcoin & other crypto currencies your wealth can be stored in a txt file / a piece of paper or even in your mind .
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July 31, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
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What people seem to forget, that gold is used in many of the things we use today.
No not jewellery.. but it's also used in smartphones etc.

Due to it's industrial usage and history, if you look at it with a macro view, you will see the current downtrend in gold is no big deal.

IMHO it will always stay a valuable good and hopefully it will co-exist with Bitcoins.

My 2 cents

actaully gold is not so used in industrial so much as many think, you have diamond and copper that have a much heavy use

gold has a better value simply because it is harder to get now, the mining farm are limited and are all controlled, somehow centralized...

if bitcoin becomes big enough it can surely crash gold by a value point of view, this if we compare one ounce to 1 btc
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July 31, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
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What people seem to forget, that gold is used in many of the things we use today.
No not jewellery.. but it's also used in smartphones etc.

Due to it's industrial usage and history, if you look at it with a macro view, you will see the current downtrend in gold is no big deal.

IMHO it will always stay a valuable good and hopefully it will co-exist with Bitcoins.

My 2 cents

Well we can have influence on its price, and put a down pressure on its price, but we will not extinct gold. I don't even dream this big. Gold has existed for 2,000 years and will exist another 2,000.

What we need to make sure from now is that Bitcoin exists out there with gold as well in 2,000 years. Smiley
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July 31, 2015, 08:19:56 PM
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What people seem to forget, that gold is used in many of the things we use today.
No not jewellery.. but it's also used in smartphones etc.

Due to it's industrial usage and history, if you look at it with a macro view, you will see the current downtrend in gold is no big deal.

IMHO it will always stay a valuable good and hopefully it will co-exist with Bitcoins.

My 2 cents

actaully gold is not so used in industrial so much as many think, you have diamond and copper that have a much heavy use

gold has a better value simply because it is harder to get now, the mining farm are limited and are all controlled, somehow centralized...

if bitcoin becomes big enough it can surely crash gold by a value point of view, this if we compare one ounce to 1 btc

I disagree:


Uses of Gold in Electronics

The most important industrial use of gold is in the manufacture of electronics. Solid state electronic devices use very low voltages and currents which are easily interrupted by corrosion or tarnish at the contact points. Gold is the highly efficient conductor that can carry these tiny currents and remain free of corrosion. Electronic components made with gold are highly reliable. Gold is used in connectors, switch and relay contacts, soldered joints, connecting wires and connection strips.

A small amount of gold is used in almost every sophisticated electronic device. This includes: cell phones, calculators, personal digital assistants, global positioning system units and other small electronic devices. Most large electronic appliances such as television sets also contain gold.

One challenge with the use of gold in very small quantities in very small devices is loss of the metal from society. Nearly one billion cell phones are produced each year and most of them contain about fifty cents worth of gold. Their average lifetime is under two years and very few are currently recycled. Although the amount of gold is small in each device, their enormous numbers translate into a lot of unrecycled gold.


Use of Gold in Computers

Gold is used in many places in the standard desktop or laptop computer. The rapid and accurate transmission of digital information through the computer and from one component to another requires an efficient and reliable conductor. Gold meets these requirements better than any other metal. The importance of high quality and reliable performance justifies the high cost.

Edge connectors used to mount microprocessor and memory chips onto the motherboard and the plug-and-socket connectors used to attach cables all contain gold. The gold in these components is generally electroplated onto other metals and alloyed with small amounts of nickel or cobalt to increase durability.


Use of Gold in Dentistry

How would iron work as a dental filling? Not very well... your dentist would need blacksmithing tools, your smile would be rusty a few days after a filling and you would need to get used to the taste of iron. Even at much higher expense, gold is used in dentistry because of its superior performance and aesthetic appeal. Gold alloys are used for fillings, crowns, bridges and orthodontic appliances. Gold is used in dentistry because it is chemically inert, nonallergenic and easy for the dentist to work.

Gold is known to have been used in dentistry as early as 700 B.C. Etruscan "dentists" used gold wire to fasten replacement teeth into the mouths of their patients. Gold was probably used to fill cavities in ancient times, however there is no documentation or archaeological evidence for this use of gold until a little over 1000 years ago.

Gold was much more generously used in dentistry up until the late 1970's. The sharp run-up of gold prices at that time motivated the development of substitute materials. However, the amount of gold used in dentistry is starting to rise again. Some motivation for this comes from concerns that less inert metals might have an adverse effect on long-term health.


Medical Uses of Gold

Gold is used as a drug to treat a small number of medical conditions. Injections of weak solutions of sodium aurothiomalate or aurothioglucose are sometimes used to treat rheumatoid arthritis. Particles of a radioactive gold isotope are implanted in tissues to serve as a radiation source in the treatment of certain cancers.

Small amounts of gold are used to remedy a condition known as Lagophthalmos, which is an inability of a person to close their eyes completely. This condition is treated by implanting small amounts of gold in the upper eyelid. The implanted gold "weights" the eyelid and the force of gravity helps the eyelid close fully.

Radioactive gold is used in diagnosis. It is injected in a colloidal solution that can be tracked as a beta emitter as it passes through the body. Many surgical instruments, electronic equipment and life-support devices are made using small amounts of gold. Gold is nonreactive in the instruments and is highly reliable in the electronic equipment and life-support devices.


Uses of Gold in Aerospace

If you are going to spend billions of dollars on a vehicle that when launched will travel on a voyage where the possibility of lubrication, maintenance and repair is absolutely zero, then building it with extremely dependable materials is essential. This is exactly why gold is used in hundreds of ways in every space vehicle that NASA launches.

Gold is used in circuitry because it is a dependable conductor and connector. In addition, many parts of every space vehicle are fitted with gold-coated polyester film. This film reflects infrared radiation and helps stabilize the temperature of the spacecraft. Without this coating, dark colored parts of the spacecraft would absorb significant amounts of heat

Gold is also used as a lubricant between mechanical parts. In the vacuum of space, organic lubricants would volatilize and they would be broken down by the intense radiation beyond Earth's atmosphere. Gold has a very low shear strength and thin films of gold between critical moving parts serves as a lubricant - the gold molecules slip past one another under the forces of friction and that provides a lubricant action.


Uses of Gold Awards & Status Symbols

What metal is used to make the crown worn by a king? Gold! This metal is selected for use because gold it is THE metal of highest esteem. It would make no sense to make a king's crown out of steel - even though steel is the strongest metal. Gold is chosen for use in a king's crown because it is the metal associated with highest esteem and status.

Gold is associated with many positive qualities. Purity is another quality associated with gold. For this reason, gold is the metal of choice for religious objects. Crosses, communion ware and other religious symbols are almost always made with gold for this reason.

Gold is also used as the first place winner's medal or trophy in almost any type of contest. First place winners at the Olympic Games are given gold medals. The Academy Awards Oscars are gold awards. Music's Grammy Awards are made of gold. All of these important achievements are honored with awards made of gold.


Uses of Gold in Glassmaking

Gold has many uses in the production of glass. The most basic use in glassmaking is that of a pigment. A small amount of gold suspended in the glass when it is annealed produces a rich ruby color.

Gold is also used when making specialty glass for climate controlled buildings and cases. A small amount of gold dispersed within the glass or coated onto the glass surface will reflect solar radiation outward, helping the buildings stay cool in the summer, and reflect internal heat inward, helping them stay warm in winter.

The visor on the helmet of an astronaut's space suit is coated with a very thin film of gold. This thin film reflects much of the very intense solar radiation of space, protecting the astronaut's eyes and skin.


Gold Gilding and Gold Leaf

Gold has the highest malleability of any metal. This enables gold to be beaten into sheets that are only a few millionths of an inch thick. These thin sheets, known as "gold leaf" can be applied over the irregular surfaces of picture frames, molding or furniture.

Gold leaf is also used on the external and internal surfaces of buildings. This provides a durable and corrosion-resistant covering. One of the most eye-catching uses of gold leaf is on the domes of religious buildings and other important structures. The cost of this "roofing material" is very high per square foot; however, the cost of the gold is only a few percent of the total project cost. Most of the cost goes to the labor of highly skilled artisans who apply the gold leaf.


Future Uses of Gold

Gold is too expensive to use by chance. Instead it is used deliberately and only when less expensive substitutes can not be identified. As a result, once a use is found for gold it is rarely abandoned for another metal. This means that the number of uses for gold have been increasing over time.

Most of the ways that gold is used today have been developed only during the last two or three decades. This trend will likely continue. As our society requires more sophisticated and reliable materials our uses for gold will increase. This combination of growing demand, few substitutes and limited supply will cause the value and importance of gold to increase steadily over time. It is truly a metal of the future.


TL;DR

Gold is used in many different fields, in addition to the fact it's hard to get (mining etc.) there are many industrial uses.
Thus my stance remains, BTC may > GOLD in the future, but it wont crash it Smiley
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July 31, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
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No.
People needs to physically hold their valuable things. I don't think someone will hold a flash drive and hey look it contains millions of dollars it's more valuable than your 1kg gold etc.

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July 31, 2015, 10:42:11 PM
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I think, it would be hard to happen.
First, the earth have a lot of Gold and also so many many Gold that undiscovered yet.
Second, Gold is looks better then Bitcoin (which is a digital not physical thing). Cheesy
It just my opinion

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July 31, 2015, 11:11:59 PM
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I will go further. Why one must replace the other when all can live together. Everyone in his space and everyone in his duty. It is talked to much about the lack of fees for the bitcoin and for its existence without the banks but an economy cannot exist without the banks. I think that bitcoin will be merged with the banks. Its technology will make possible that banks will be evolved and everything will be better end better. On the other hand as it was with every new technology which has improved the everyday living of everyone of us.

Not only the economy is dependent on bank but the technological development also. A world without banks cant evolve the way we have until now. Dont know how long we can live in a bitcoin world of faucets, dice and porn.

Bitcoin will never take the place of gold.
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August 01, 2015, 02:54:45 AM
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I think no because gold have physically and bitcoin not have. I see bitcoin is most currency in the future, will see where bitcoin will go as a most currency or bitcoin die
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August 01, 2015, 02:56:06 AM
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No, I don't think so.
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August 01, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
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I think no because gold have physically and bitcoin not have. I see bitcoin is most currency in the future, will see where bitcoin will go as a most currency or bitcoin die

Yes Bitcoin can never crash gold  not in the coming years for sure, The market acceptance of Gold is more then Bitcoins, and market cap is also huge of Gold. Comparatively Bitcoin has a least market cap and many doesn't find it trustworthy. Gold is traditional and people have more faith in Gold as compared to Bitcoins and they hesitate in investing in crypto currency.
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August 02, 2015, 03:07:20 AM
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I think no because gold have physically and bitcoin not have. I see bitcoin is most currency in the future, will see where bitcoin will go as a most currency or bitcoin die

Yes Bitcoin can never crash gold  not in the coming years for sure, The market acceptance of Gold is more then Bitcoins, and market cap is also huge of Gold. Comparatively Bitcoin has a least market cap and many doesn't find it trustworthy. Gold is traditional and people have more faith in Gold as compared to Bitcoins and they hesitate in investing in crypto currency.

The older generation would definitely invest in Gold as they are not aware of bitcoins. And there are many people who have hardly used computers in their lives, So getting into a digital currency would be much more difficult for them.
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And there are many people who have hardly used computers in their lives, So getting into a digital currency would be much more difficult for them.

Agree. No one can imagine that someone have with himself at home for sure one functional computer (or something that substitute it in fewer measures) to store there its valued things. If computer crashes everything goes in trash. It is credible such thing as much as the gold which can be stored in secured vaults in banks?
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And there are many people who have hardly used computers in their lives, So getting into a digital currency would be much more difficult for them.

Agree. No one can imagine that someone have with himself at home for sure one functional computer (or something that substitute it in fewer measures) to store there its valued things. If computer crashes everything goes in trash. It is credible such thing as much as the gold which can be stored in secured vaults in banks?

You do not need a computer to do that.. if you have a smart phone, you have Bitcoin. If your community have access to one computer, all of them have access to Bitcoin. How do you think things like Mpesa thrive in Africa?
If you use paper wallets, you would not need any electronic devices for a long time.

A computer crash should not be the end of the world for Bitcoin users. If it is, you are not using cold storage and paper wallets.

If we are realistic, only a small percentage of people in the world understand or trust Bitcoin now, after what happened with MtGox and Silkroad.

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August 04, 2015, 01:52:46 PM
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I think Gold is not the opponent of BTC since i think gold is like oil. the price goes up and down.
I think that the main opponent of BTC is the fiat money
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August 04, 2015, 03:36:35 PM
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no. bitcoin is bitcoin and gold is gold.
can to replace one each other. they have a favorite in their place. bitcoin have a favorite and gold have a favorite.
they have a fans like that. and gold can we use to jewelry
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August 04, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
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I do not think that Bitcoin can crash gold.

Bitcoin is like any other type of money. It has no value in its own, only that many people agree in giving it value.

Gold, however, is agreed to have a value, but in addition, its useful. It is scarce, ductile, used as a conductor, and beautiful to be worked and made into jewels.

Bitcoin cannot trump gold in the same way it cannot trump iron, copper or other useful material. But in fact, gold has even more uses.


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