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September 30, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
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This is a Graet initiative. (If you'll excuse the pun.) Smiley

I will feel much more comfortable doing business with your real, registered businesses that are operated by real, known people. I will do my business with you, much in preference to those who would insist on staying anonymous and untraceable -- as any sufficiently anonymous business is liable to close shop at their whim, and disappear at any moment -- along with whatever claims are being held against them.

If I have any choice in the matter, you will be the ones to claim my coin. Legitimacy through accountability is clearly needed for the Bitcoin business world to grow and and expand beyond whatever small commitments "one can afford to lose" at any time. Hopefully, as people are starting to realize this, you guys will win, and the scammers will simply leave.

Thanks for doing this!

well, you have to see it from different angles - for example, my average purchase volume per customer is below $10 per month. My Orders are filled instantly. If I started to scam/screw people, I'd gain like 10 bucks, but people would also start warning others about me, which would mean that I'd lose most of my business because I wanted to make a $10 profit... So despite me being anonymous, it's against my interest to screw people over. I'd lose way more in the mid/longterm, than I could gain in a short term.So yes, anonymity and reliability can go hand in hand - and if people dont trust us,(which we encourage btw, because no one should trust someone else he doesnt know or cannot get a hand on) we always allow for escrowed transactions using bitmit.net.
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October 01, 2012, 04:43:50 PM
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well, you have to see it from different angles - for example, my average purchase volume per customer is below $10 per month. My Orders are filled instantly. If I started to scam/screw people, I'd gain like 10 bucks, but people would also start warning others about me, which would mean that I'd lose most of my business because I wanted to make a $10 profit... So despite me being anonymous, it's against my interest to screw people over. I'd lose way more in the mid/longterm, than I could gain in a short term.So yes, anonymity and reliability can go hand in hand - and if people dont trust us,(which we encourage btw, because no one should trust someone else he doesnt know or cannot get a hand on) we always allow for escrowed transactions using bitmit.net.
This is a very important point which more people need to understand. The level of accountability required to be reliable for a business sitting on loads of people's money (long-term borrowers, exchanges, ...) is leaps and bounds above what is required for a business that settles transactions quickly.

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October 05, 2012, 02:43:40 AM
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Omnicoins Pty Ltd is a registered company incorporated and operating out of the Australian Capital Territory. We decided to incorporate mainly to encourage users to trust us over the guys operating out of mum's basement. We see incorporation as an important step that bitcoin businesses will need to take in order for bitcoin to achieve wider adoption, and to be taken seriously in the business world.
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October 06, 2012, 03:59:36 AM
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Talked to a CPA about this last week (USA), and I'm going to operate as a sole proprietor.  There are very few fees in my state for this; the only major one is personal property tax, which is about 3% of the depreciated value of any personally owned business hardware if the total amount owned is over $10K.  Under $10K and you're exempt.  The rate of depreciation is 20% a year I think, with a 25% final value minimum.  For investors (I only have one potential), I'm basically just working it like a hosting service.  If I host your hardware, you chip in for my expenses/power/etc. and I take a small fee of what's left, then you get the rest.  There's no protection for investors this way though, so it's more risky than if I were incorporated.  It's the same as a personal loan with no promise to pay back.  Most people won't invest in something like that, and I'm fine with that (less work for me).

Running the business out of my house allows me to deduct a major portion of my home expenses (insurance, property tax, HOA fee, power, possibly internet, etc.).  The only downside is if I sell the house without shutting down the business for 2 years, and I get a capital gain, I have to pay capital gain taxes on the portion of the house used for business (there's no $500K exemption on that part).  Something to keep in mind if you plan on selling your house..

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October 06, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
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Talked to a CPA about this last week (USA), and I'm going to operate as a sole proprietor.  There are very few fees in my state for this; the only major one is personal property tax, which is about 3% of the depreciated value of any personally owned business hardware if the total amount owned is over $10K.  Under $10K and you're exempt.  The rate of depreciation is 20% a year I think, with a 25% final value minimum.  For investors (I only have one potential), I'm basically just working it like a hosting service.  If I host your hardware, you chip in for my expenses/power/etc. and I take a small fee of what's left, then you get the rest.  There's no protection for investors this way though, so it's more risky than if I were incorporated.  It's the same as a personal loan with no promise to pay back.  Most people won't invest in something like that, and I'm fine with that (less work for me).

Running the business out of my house allows me to deduct a major portion of my home expenses (insurance, property tax, HOA fee, power, possibly internet, etc.).  The only downside is if I sell the house without shutting down the business for 2 years, and I get a capital gain, I have to pay capital gain taxes on the portion of the house used for business (there's no $500K exemption on that part).  Something to keep in mind if you plan on selling your house..

Be sure to read up on the concept of unlimited personal liability as it relates to a sole proprietorship.  You indicate you own your home.  Your home is now an asset of your business, and so is everything in it.  Your car, you bank accounts, any personal assets, TV, stereo, other property, real estate, stock bonds, mutual funds, anything in your safety deposit boxes, etc.   So say you host 10 rigs and someone breaks in and steals them.  Now lets say your insurance doesn't cover it and you can't pay out of pocket in full (asset rich but cash poor).  The owners can sue you personally in court and seize your assets (everything you own and even your future earnings) in order to secure their claim. 

Also be sure you understand the tax implications.  Say you make $50,000 profit the first year but being a smart business owner you decide not to spend it and keep it in the business to grow/expand the business.  As a sole proprietor the instant you earn the profit you incur tax liability.  The govt eats into your profits and there is no sheltering of taxes.  This makes it harder to grow and expand the company.  Even keeping profits as cash in a bank account to expand your working capital has the overhead of upfront taxes.  Granted you could cheat on your taxes but then all your personal assets become subject to seizure by the IRS.
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