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July 27, 2015, 04:12:02 AM
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Hedgehog. Seemingly innocent, this word takes on extraordinary significance in a tiny Northern European country, reminding their population of barely 1 million of the constant threat of invasion by their former conquerers. You see, Hedgehog is the code name of Estonia’s largest-ever military exercise, which took place in early May, where tanks and aircraft from around the world joined with some 13,000 Estonians to practice avoiding the same fate that has befallen Ukraine. Government video shows everyday volunteers, who make up about half of the Estonian Defense Forces, firing automatic weapons from wooded hideouts and tossing smoke grenades before calling out, “The battle is over, all are friends!” But the message to Russia is clear and backed by unprecedented force: We are not friends.

But it’s not just Estonia that’s hiding behind an armor of troops and tanks. At the same time, Operation Lightning Strike brought out 3,000 troops in Lithuania, while Operation Dynamic Mongoose included another 5,000 in the North Sea off Norway. It’s Europe’s latest show-and-tell of military capability, which, in a reversal of a trend that has lasted many years, is increasing dramatically. From Germany to Scandinavia to the Balkans, there arguably hasn’t been this much activity in European barracks since the end of the Cold War, some experts say. Military budget spending from European nations with the biggest increases will total some $51 billion over the next seven years, according to a report by the Royal United Services Institute, a think tank. That’s almost a 50 percent increase from their total defense spending in 2013, according to European Defense Agency da

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A good development and long overdue in my opinion. Hard to believe that so many seemed to think that history had basically ended.
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July 27, 2015, 04:16:29 AM
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A good development and long overdue in my opinion. Hard to believe that so many seemed to think that history had basically ended.

Long ago the United States did much the same thing for much the same reason....it has a name.

Russia.
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July 27, 2015, 04:18:34 AM
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Dwight D. Eisenhower, a great war hero, warned us all; in one of his last speeches as President of the US about the growing influence of a Military-Industrial Complex :

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

His prophetic words have come true to-day. And backed by western media so many people belief it is somehow a good thing to spend an increasing % of GDP on military spend against a perceived threat, that doesn't really exist.

I'm no appeaser of aggressor nations, but I need proof that Russia is an aggressor nation. In my opinion it is generally the West that has become the aggressors in the World to-day.

The only beneficiaries of the spending are large military organizations & not the general public that has to fund these massive budgets through taxation & state borrowing.
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July 27, 2015, 04:19:23 AM
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The military industrial complex is a myth. Defense contractors have virtually no political influence in the U.S. today. Even in his famous speech, Eisenhower DID NOT call for cuts in defense spending or the size of the defense establishment and in fact pointed out that the U.S. would have to maintain a large standing military indefinitely.
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July 27, 2015, 04:20:21 AM
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The US spends $610billion on defence.

As your for joke that Defense contractors have virtually no political influence, I would point you to the Carlyle group as just one big fly in your ignorant ointment.
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July 27, 2015, 04:21:59 AM
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The only beneficiaries of the spending are large military organizations & not the general public that has to fund these massive budgets through taxation & state borrowing.

And who controls those "large military organizations"?
The Talmudic doctrines in the minds of Christendom "that make the Word of God of none effect" Matthew 15:6
And the super-rich families to whom Christendom gave control of most nations today via debt based central bank currencies.
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July 27, 2015, 04:23:14 AM
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The military industrial complex is a myth. Defense contractors have virtually no political influence in the U.S. today. Even in his famous speech, Eisenhower DID NOT call for cuts in defense spending or the size of the defense establishment and in fact pointed out that the U.S. would have to maintain a large standing military indefinitely.

Yes it is a myth in the public stance of those who have been bribed, blackmailed and threatened.
And yes, Eisenhower DID NOT call for cuts in US aggression spending.
That is because he was not sincere in his warning. How could he be? He owed all his position and fame to serving the war crazies.
To know that, One only has to see how he killed millions of Germans AFTER the war supposedly ended.
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July 27, 2015, 04:24:55 AM
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Yes it is a myth in the public stance of those who have been bribed, blackmailed and threatened.
And yes, Eisenhower DID NOT call for cuts in US aggression spending.
That is because he was not sincere in his warning. How could he be? He owed all his position and fame to serving the war crazies.
To know that, One only has to see how he killed millions of Germans AFTER the war supposedly ended.

Yes Eisenhower was a war criminal & was responsible for the deaths of a million Germans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXlKwuYp__0
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July 27, 2015, 04:26:20 AM
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The US spends $610billion on defence.

As your for joke that Defense contractors have virtually no political influence, I would point you to the Carlyle group as just one big fly in your ignorant ointment.

Link to a reliable source or it didn't happen.
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July 27, 2015, 04:27:08 AM
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Hmm, even though Russia has been expanding their defense budget for a decade?

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's a reaction to that?
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July 27, 2015, 04:27:59 AM
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The US spends $610billion on defence.

As your for joke that Defense contractors have virtually no political influence, I would point you to the Carlyle group as just one big fly in your ignorant ointment.

Or Halliburton, still making millions from the privatisation of the Iraq occupation.
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July 27, 2015, 04:28:58 AM
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Or Halliburton, still making millions from the privatisation of the Iraq occupation.

Halliburton was the only company qualified for most of the work in Iraq. And had been contracted for about the same work by the Clinton Admin. prior to the election of President Bush.
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July 27, 2015, 04:29:33 AM
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Halliburton was the only company qualified for most of the work in Iraq. And had been contracted for about the same work by the Clinton Admin. prior to the election of President Bush.

It's not Britains's reaction. 3% of GDP and falling.
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July 27, 2015, 07:26:02 AM
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The military industrial complex is a myth. Defense contractors have virtually no political influence in the U.S. today...

Sorry, but you are 100% a complete fucking moron.
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July 27, 2015, 09:09:14 AM
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Hmm, even though Russia has been expanding their defense budget for a decade?
Perhaps, just perhaps, it's a reaction to that?

Russia increases its military budget and these are the results:

1. Largest armed forces in Europe (by strength)
2. Most powerful ballistic missile in the world (SS-18 Satan)
3. Most advanced air-defence system in the world (S-400 Triumf)
4. Most advanced main battle tank (MBT) in the world (T-14 Armata)
5. Most advanced nuclear submarine in the world (Project-885 Yasen-class)

And now, Europe increases its military budget, and these are the results:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/02/19/germanys-army-is-so-under-equipped-that-it-used-broomsticks-instead-of-machine-guns/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-german-military-faces-a-major-challenge-from-disrepair/2014/09/30/e0b7997c-ea40-42be-a68b-e1d45a87b926_story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11382875/After-years-of-military-cuts-can-Britain-still-defend-itself.html
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July 27, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
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A good development and long overdue in my opinion. Hard to believe that so many seemed to think that history had basically ended.

Long ago the United States did much the same thing for much the same reason....it has a name.

Russia.

I am afraid, you are right. Europeans are kept in dark concerning mounting bomb and terror attacks in their own countries from rapidly growing islamist population. Instead they hear on mythological "bear", whose only concern is to occupy Europe (because Russia is so small apparently). Thats the image you get from western media.

So all those tin soldiers are put to no use, while international traffic in the EU came to screeching halt. Demented empire ruled by degenerates. EU, I mean.

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July 27, 2015, 11:57:17 AM
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Hmm, even though Russia has been expanding their defense budget for a decade?
Perhaps, just perhaps, it's a reaction to that?

Russia increases its military budget and these are the results:

1. Largest armed forces in Europe (by strength)
2. Most powerful ballistic missile in the world (SS-18 Satan)
3. Most advanced air-defence system in the world (S-400 Triumf)
4. Most advanced main battle tank (MBT) in the world (T-14 Armata)
5. Most advanced nuclear submarine in the world (Project-885 Yasen-class)

And now, Europe increases its military budget, and these are the results:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/02/19/germanys-army-is-so-under-equipped-that-it-used-broomsticks-instead-of-machine-guns/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-german-military-faces-a-major-challenge-from-disrepair/2014/09/30/e0b7997c-ea40-42be-a68b-e1d45a87b926_story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11382875/After-years-of-military-cuts-can-Britain-still-defend-itself.html

While keeping military-industrial complex is paramount, it is afterall just another tool. Frankly, these days, that Europe is blatantly showing unwillingness to protect its own borders and citizens against unwashed (but yet unarmed) hordes from south, I am more and more sure, that any conflict with Russia would end in absolute disaster for Euros. NATO is on paper far stronger, than either Russia or China in manpower and tech, but its leaders are so weak and corrupt, they wouldnt dare to use force against anyone but their own citizenry.

Post WW2 West devolved into late Roman empire.
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July 27, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
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The EU has no common army, has no established common command chains, then how it would be able to do any kind of coherent effort. Even the armament/ammunition types are not fully standardized within the EU (the former soviet block countries are still using tons of non NATO standard Russian gear.) In addition the European population is largely turned to pacifist pussies. Actually the whole EU is a big, fat and sweet fruit, ready and waiting to be harvested by US or Russia or maybe by the hordes from the south :/.
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