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July 30, 2015, 07:27:36 AM |
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Turkey finally joins the ISIS fight. Should we be worried?Such is the total-war jumble of the conflicts in both Iraq and Syria that the sudden entry of Turkey into the action can be seen as both a positive development as well as yet another spiral into even more destruction. Still, to those desperate for any sign of hope after years of war and state collapse in that part of the Middle East, Turkey's arrival as a serious combatant suggests Syria's Assad regime is clearly tottering --- the dictator for the first time is even admitting weakness in maintaining his army --- and might soon give way before a grand bargain of many countries and interests in an anti-ISIS front. That may yet be too rosy a hope, but events over the past week have given a jolt of much-needed optimism to the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition. moar - http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turkey-finally-joins-the-isis-fight-should-we-be-worried-1.3171667
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TECSHARE
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July 30, 2015, 07:42:22 AM |
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This is part of a long term strategy devised long before 9-11 to build gas and oil pipelines thru that region in order to give Europe energy independence from Russia. This is in reality a war that began before world war one, and it never really ended. Iraq, Turkey, and parts of Syria will be chopped up and formed into new autonomous regions ruled by different religious sects as well as the Turkish government. Seeing as turkey stands to gain land, and that the pipeline will pass thru its territory, this would significantly increase their geopolitical leverage, so they have a vested interest in cooperating with this plan. This is the whole reason the US has created al qaeda and ISIS. With this influence, they control the opposition and use it to create the proper amount of regional chaos in order to sap resistance as well as provide pretext for meddling in local affairs and allowing the corporate pillage of local land and resources.
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July 30, 2015, 01:30:56 PM |
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If you are Daesh i would be very worried yes.
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July 30, 2015, 04:15:11 PM |
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This is part of a long term strategy devised long before 9-11 to build gas and oil pipelines thru that region in order to give Europe energy independence from Russia. This is in reality a war that began before world war one, and it never really ended. Iraq, Turkey, and parts of Syria will be chopped up and formed into new autonomous regions ruled by different religious sects as well as the Turkish government. Seeing as turkey stands to gain land, and that the pipeline will pass thru its territory, this would significantly increase their geopolitical leverage, so they have a vested interest in cooperating with this plan. This is the whole reason the US has created al qaeda and ISIS. With this influence, they control the opposition and use it to create the proper amount of regional chaos in order to sap resistance as well as provide pretext for meddling in local affairs and allowing the corporate pillage of local land and resources.
"proper amount of regional chaos"...lol... You give the US more credit for being less than stupid than I... |
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July 30, 2015, 05:20:00 PM |
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World War III is starting. Brace yourselves people. You're all gonna be sent to kill or be killed
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July 30, 2015, 06:59:39 PM |
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Turkey was helping and arming ISIS until now as they have the same enemies. The Kurds and Assad. But Turkey lost control of that relation and is now being targeted by ISIS too. But that's not why Turkey joined the fight. This is about Turkish internal politics and Erdogan getting rid of the Kurdish political party that gained power in the recent elections.
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July 30, 2015, 07:02:28 PM |
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They started by attacking the Kurds,should be a interesting little scrum now.
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July 30, 2015, 07:25:39 PM |
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"proper amount of regional chaos"...lol...
You give the US more credit for being less than stupid than I...
Actually, the U.S. needs all the credit they can get. The 2008 almost collapse of the financial system was because of too much credit and not enough cash. The only thing that is keeping America afloat is the belief of the American people that the credit will be there. The U.S. needs to conquer Iraq all the way, so that the Petrodollar can keep the nation afloat. If it doesn't happen soon, or if America can't conquer some other ME country soon for the same reason, U.S. credit will get really stupid, and then you will be less stupid than the U.S.... but only if you survive the big crash.  |
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July 31, 2015, 12:53:29 AM |
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The perfect excuse for Iran enter the war too.
Soon Iraqi will be Iranian, 40 years after the war started by Saddam Hussein
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This is part of a long term strategy devised long before 9-11 to build gas and oil pipelines thru that region in order to give Europe energy independence from Russia. This is in reality a war that began before world war one, and it never really ended. Iraq, Turkey, and parts of Syria will be chopped up and formed into new autonomous regions ruled by different religious sects as well as the Turkish government. Seeing as turkey stands to gain land, and that the pipeline will pass thru its territory, this would significantly increase their geopolitical leverage, so they have a vested interest in cooperating with this plan. This is the whole reason the US has created al qaeda and ISIS. With this influence, they control the opposition and use it to create the proper amount of regional chaos in order to sap resistance as well as provide pretext for meddling in local affairs and allowing the corporate pillage of local land and resources.
"proper amount of regional chaos"...lol... You give the US more credit for being less than stupid than I... First of all, I wouldn't go so far as to say this is exclusively a US plan. There are many international and corporate interests who want to see this happen. Remember as I stated this dynamic has been in play since WW1. The US just has the unfortunate position of being the hammer that pounds in the nails, and also the country which will suffer the most blow back as a result. I am not in support of this strategy, but it does bring some clarity to the seemingly chaotic events in the region. As far as my meaning of "proper amount of regional chaos", I was trying to convey that there is a requisite amount of chaos and destruction sought to be created by US intelligence and military forces so that the eventual invasion, occupation, and cultural transformation of the region meets as little resistance as possible when that time comes. By creating civil war the nations fight themselves, expend resources, those willing to fight are killed, and the region is that much easier to conquor as a result. Divide and conquer. The USA has a very unique perspective on civil war, seeing as it was exactly this method that lost the republic its sovereignty to foreign banks as a direct result of the civil war debt, then leading to the creation of The "Federal" Reserve Bank. Keep that in mind as the media pushes race war in the US. It is not a coincidence. Occupy was the American spring. The same models used to destroy societies abroad will eventually be deployed here. So far they have just been dipping their toes in the water domestically probing responses and readiness of the civilian population. The big show hasn't even started yet. That circus in the middle east has its next tour date listed in the US. It will be the same ringleader, just different clowns. |
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July 31, 2015, 07:58:56 AM |
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They started by attacking the Kurds,should be a interesting little scrum now.
I don't trust Turkey in the slightest. |
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July 31, 2015, 08:15:03 AM |
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The perfect excuse for Iran enter the war too.
Soon Iraqi will be Iranian, 40 years after the war started by Saddam Hussein
Iran has already been fighting ISIS for over a year through bombing their positions and using ground troops in combat. And they have also been training, equipping and directing other forces in the region like the Kurds, Iraqi forces and other militias. It's in their collective interest. But it doesn't mean Iraq will be Iranian. Their influence there is probably more because of them being mostly Shia too. |
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July 31, 2015, 02:51:16 PM |
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This is part of a long term strategy devised long before 9-11 to build gas and oil pipelines thru that region in order to give Europe energy independence from Russia. This is in reality a war that began before world war one, and it never really ended. Iraq, Turkey, and parts of Syria will be chopped up and formed into new autonomous regions ruled by different religious sects as well as the Turkish government. Seeing as turkey stands to gain land, and that the pipeline will pass thru its territory, this would significantly increase their geopolitical leverage, so they have a vested interest in cooperating with this plan. This is the whole reason the US has created al qaeda and ISIS. With this influence, they control the opposition and use it to create the proper amount of regional chaos in order to sap resistance as well as provide pretext for meddling in local affairs and allowing the corporate pillage of local land and resources.
"proper amount of regional chaos"...lol... You give the US more credit for being less than stupid than I... First of all, I wouldn't go so far as to say this is exclusively a US plan. There are many international and corporate interests who want to see this happen. Remember as I stated this dynamic has been in play since WW1. The US just has the unfortunate position of being the hammer that pounds in the nails, and also the country which will suffer the most blow back as a result. I am not in support of this strategy, but it does bring some clarity to the seemingly chaotic events in the region..... No, this viewpoint does not bring clarity. It confuses it and obfuscates the history, motivations and events. For just one example, look at wikipedia on Arafat. You will find a long history of sowing discord, distrust coupled with hundreds of terrorist actions. That's Arafat doing it all. ALL. You would reverse that, and somehow claim that the US did it all and was the principal mover and shaker of events. Arafat OWNED regional chaos. And he was followed by others in that area who created, perpetuated and maintained chaos. Such is the case today. |
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July 31, 2015, 07:25:50 PM |
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They started by attacking the Kurds,should be a interesting little scrum now.
I don't trust Turkey in the slightest. Turkey is definitely not interested in defeating the ISIS. On the other hand, they would welcome the defeat of the Kurds and Bashar al Assad. And that is why they are bombing the Kurds, while lying to the whole world that they are also attacking the ISIS. The Turkish - ISIS collaboration is an open secret. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's AKP is just the Turkish version of the ISIS. |
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July 31, 2015, 10:16:17 PM |
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yeah I hope Turkey is able to deal with individual terrorists and Turkey's involvement is a big step forward.
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This is part of a long term strategy devised long before 9-11 to build gas and oil pipelines thru that region in order to give Europe energy independence from Russia. This is in reality a war that began before world war one, and it never really ended. Iraq, Turkey, and parts of Syria will be chopped up and formed into new autonomous regions ruled by different religious sects as well as the Turkish government. Seeing as turkey stands to gain land, and that the pipeline will pass thru its territory, this would significantly increase their geopolitical leverage, so they have a vested interest in cooperating with this plan. This is the whole reason the US has created al qaeda and ISIS. With this influence, they control the opposition and use it to create the proper amount of regional chaos in order to sap resistance as well as provide pretext for meddling in local affairs and allowing the corporate pillage of local land and resources.
"proper amount of regional chaos"...lol... You give the US more credit for being less than stupid than I... First of all, I wouldn't go so far as to say this is exclusively a US plan. There are many international and corporate interests who want to see this happen. Remember as I stated this dynamic has been in play since WW1. The US just has the unfortunate position of being the hammer that pounds in the nails, and also the country which will suffer the most blow back as a result. I am not in support of this strategy, but it does bring some clarity to the seemingly chaotic events in the region..... No, this viewpoint does not bring clarity. It confuses it and obfuscates the history, motivations and events. For just one example, look at wikipedia on Arafat. You will find a long history of sowing discord, distrust coupled with hundreds of terrorist actions. That's Arafat doing it all. ALL. You would reverse that, and somehow claim that the US did it all and was the principal mover and shaker of events. Arafat OWNED regional chaos. And he was followed by others in that area who created, perpetuated and maintained chaos. Such is the case today. Most people will tell you any time you use inclusive statements like "ALL", chances are you are going to be incorrect. I am sure Arafat contributed, but that does not mean western forces didn't take advantage of that and increase discord. Also Arafat didn't control the whole region. You are under the impression the US is much less sophisticated and benevolent than it really is. I am of the impression that it is much more sophisticated and malevolent. Also, as I repeatedly stated, this is not a US only game, and the entire US government is not complicit. Like any mafia, they infiltrate organizations and use them as tools like parasites to reach their own ends regardless of the interests of the host entity. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/the-wars-in-the-middle-east-and-north-africa-are-not-just-about-oil-theyre-also-about-gas.htmlhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assadhttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/15/world/asia/cia-funds-found-their-way-into-al-qaeda-coffers.htmlhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-16/mystery-sponsor-weapons-and-money-syrian-rebels-revealed |
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August 01, 2015, 04:29:56 AM |
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There are rumors that Turkey is not really damaging ISIL but that is attacking with full force the Kurds.
Don't know if they are true
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August 01, 2015, 07:20:05 AM |
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Turkey is definitely not interested in defeating the ISIS. On the other hand, they would welcome the defeat of the Kurds and Bashar al Assad. And that is why they are bombing the Kurds, while lying to the whole world that they are also attacking the ISIS. The Turkish - ISIS collaboration is an open secret. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's AKP is just the Turkish version of the ISIS.
Peace in Syria is definitely in Turkey's interest. The fighting in Syria has caused a large number of refugees to flee to Turkey. It costs money to house them and provide for them. |
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August 01, 2015, 10:57:31 AM |
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Turkey is definitely not interested in defeating the ISIS. On the other hand, they would welcome the defeat of the Kurds and Bashar al Assad. And that is why they are bombing the Kurds, while lying to the whole world that they are also attacking the ISIS. The Turkish - ISIS collaboration is an open secret. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's AKP is just the Turkish version of the ISIS.
Peace in Syria is definitely in Turkey's interest. The fighting in Syria has caused a large number of refugees to flee to Turkey. It costs money to house them and provide for them. Most of the refugee camps in Turkey are being run by various UN agencies and Turkey hardly contributes anything financially. Also, a large part of the refugees in Turkey are ethnic Turkmen, who are ethnically related to the Turks. Peace in Syria might be in Turkey's interest. But they don't want that to come at the expense of the Islamists. Turkey want to overthrow the secular Ba'athist regime of Assad, and replace it with an Islamist one. |
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August 01, 2015, 11:04:29 AM |
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Yes, we should be worried.
It's obvious that for Turkey the main enemies in the region are in fact Kurds and not ISIS.
It seems that finally they have perfect excuse to legally cross into the territory of Syria and Iraq and fight with the Kurds.
Now it will be even more difficult to achieve peace and stability in the region, and conflict will deepen and become more intense.
There are no good news for people in that area, just more wars and conflicts.
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