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August 01, 2015, 11:15:38 AM
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(warning to Mods, thankfully I recover the information you wiped from Kazuki and I am making the youtube video now to document everything.  you can try the same things as yesterday to hide this information from BCT user, but i dont think it will be smart for you or the BCT reputation. because, you need a valid reason to delete this thread, that isn't that you are a Monero bagholder Wink.  More information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1140460.msg12025341#msg12025341





Here, we look at the Monero claim that it has the most development and best tech of any Cryptonote.

First, we compare to the original Cryptonote, Bytecoin.


Here is Bytecoin work completed in last 3 months and today they depreciate Payment ID for all Cryptonote coin to use:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1008146.msg12010079#msg12010079

http://i.imgur.com/HlmOXHY.png

Wallet GUI:

http://i.imgur.com/5RPhCTc.png

Aggregate Multi-Addresses:

https://bytecoin.org/blog/aggregate-multi-addresses-ecommerce-enhancing-privacy/

https://bytecoin.org/static/img/blog/ma2.png

Release notes in last 3 months:

https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-reference-client-1.0.3-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.4-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.5-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.6-presents-new-solution-for-online-payments/

Remember, Bytecoin created Cryptonote code that Monero uses, like Litecoin created code that Dogecoin uses.  Monero did not create the Cryptonote code, except if you listent them you will never know this.

Now here is Monero work in 6 months, except they can only show you some Github commits because for some reason nothing was released since December 2014:

http://i.imgur.com/idGRykj.jpg

At this speed, it will take a YEAR now for a GUI even though Cryptonote GUI is released, and 2 years to add the merchants  Huh

Here is all you will find for his "release note", because nothing was released since last year.

http://i.imgur.com/JfTtLBH.png

The Monero dev Fluffypony said this work is completed, but he did not update Monero wallet since 2014, so how can it be completed.  And when you ask why, he DELETES your posts about it because they want to HIDE how little the Monero development is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139306.0

Oh, here is the Monero wallet today:

http://i.gyazo.com/7ef3fdb61b1200759d1d7976280bc357.png

What does Monero thread say?

Monero (XMR) is a new privacy-centric coin using the CryptoNote protocol (see below for more information). The open source reference implementation of CryptoNote was coded from scratch based on the CryptoNote reference implementation, and is not a fork of Bitcoin.

Really?  lol

Please stop pretending Monero is the best tech, it is not. It's not even your original code and this development is nothing after 1 year.  You just attack others the most to make it seem like that with your army of trolls.  

Of course, Monero devs will say that this doesn't matter because Bytecoin is a scam.  If it's true or not, no one can say Monero has the best tech, even Bytecoin is light years beyond Monero, it is just false.  It look like they don't even understand the Cryptonote code they are using, and how poor the feature they try to do are, and how slow.

When devs pretend they are selling something that isn't what they say, that is a scam.  

Now, get ready for Monero dev making jokes and saying this is trolling.  That's nice, because everything I said is true and I think it's better for you to ignore it Wink

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The Monero dev Fluffypony said this work is completed but he did not update Monero wallet since 2014

This is false, as has been pointed out to you many times (every time you posted and reposted and rereposted the same thing over and over again). The wallet is updated in github after heavy development consisting of over 1000 commits (as anyone can independently verify so I won't both to post commit logs here), and is available for testing.

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he DELETES your posts

This is also false. Unless you posted on a moderated thread he can't delete your posts, only forum mods can.

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution and attacking a legitimate open source coin project, which just so happens to do everything out in the open on github, meaning your claims of what is or isn't being developed are pointless and easy for anyone to check (and determine to be false).

For what reason, I have no idea. Get help.
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The Monero dev Fluffypony said this work is completed but he did not update Monero wallet since 2014

This is false, as has been pointed out to you many times. The wallet is updated in github after heavy development consisting of over 1000 commits (as anyone can independently verify so I won't both to post commit logs here), and is available for testing.

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he DELETES your posts

This is also false. Unless you posted on a moderated thread he can't delete your posts, only forum mods can.

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution and attacking a legitimate open source coin project, which just so happens to do everything out in the open on github, meaning your claims of what is or isn't being developed are pointless.

For what reason, I have no idea. Get help.



This is also false. Unless you posted on a moderated thread he can't delete your posts, only forum mods can.

Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink
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Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution. Get help.
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posting in youtube thread ftw.

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Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution. Get help.

http://i.imgur.com/IpIcpIi.png


I don' mind what you say Smooth, as long as this information is here for your users to understand the truth, of your fake development, where I "download" your wallet from Github lol

BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON, and with your 2% premine?


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This is also false. Unless you posted on a moderated thread he can't delete your posts, only forum mods can.

Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

@bytecoin davros, this dalek is malfunctioning, best send him back to engineering for a reboot.

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BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON

Because you don't understand how a volunteer-driven, community-based open source projects work. We all are involved in other activities (at least, if we choose to be).

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it), that's 10 minutes more than anything I've seen you volunteer to do for a community project.

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

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and with your 2% premine?

AEON has no premine and if it did (which it didn't) I wouldn't have benefited from it since I wasn't even involved when it launched. I volunteered (there's that word again) to take it over after the original developer abandoned it.

Get help.
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BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON

Because you don't understand how a volunteer-driven, community based open source projects work. We all are involved in other activities.

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it), that's 10 minutes more than anything I've seen you volunteer to do for a community project.

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

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and with your 2% premine?

AEON has no premine and if it did (which it didn't) I wouldn't have benefited from it since I wasn't even involved when it launched.

Get help.

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it)

I can only see 9 commits for you on Monero, maybe 10 minutes work?

http://i.imgur.com/VtrPNZh.png

What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?
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August 01, 2015, 12:11:39 PM
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

"As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before."

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

You likewise have no clue how careful software development works when dealing with an undocumented, hastily-constructed foreign code base. One minute per commit..ROFL.

Since you asked, one thing I did (a while back) was completely rewrite a mostly working mockup of the entire consensus code in another language an an intellectual exercise to learn the details of how it worked. It was interesting and fun, and has been invaluable in finding subtle bugs and issues.


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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

How come you don't say that on the Official Wallet download page?  It still have the version fom December 2014?  https://getmonero.org/downloads/

I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP (and also the official downloads page on the web site)

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.



No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself.

OK. I think you should tell you user, because most people will just look to download the official wallet binary.  And it is 9 months out of date, I would recommend that you update it.  Or, is there a reason why you didn't compile the binary for 9 months?  Is downloading the head from Github really safe for the users?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

OK, lets think about how we can get you some more help.  Maybe a giveaway or a fundraiser?  I think there is a developer section where can put an advert?  I would like to help.
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August 01, 2015, 12:41:48 PM
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.



No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself.

OK. I think you should tell you user, because most people will just look to download the official wallet binary.  And it is 9 months out of date, I would recommend that you update it.  Or, is there a reason why you didn't compile the binary for 9 months?  Is downloading the head from Github really safe for the users?

People have a choice. What it says on the website is something like: source code bleeding edge (possibly unstable). The older version that is available as a binary still works fine -- it isn't incompatible or anything -- but doesn't have the bleeding edge features and improvements. So what they decide to use is up to them.

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It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

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OK, lets think about how we can get you some more help.  Maybe a giveaway or a fundraiser?  I think there is a developer section where can put an advert?  I would like to help.

I don't entirely understand the question. There are tech discussions on #monero-dev (IRC freenode). There is a technical section on the official forum. There is also a tasks/projects section there which is used to make suggestions for development and also raise funding (for example, recently we raised funding to pay a dedicated, but part-time developer for six months, and currently there is an open task there to improve the GPU miners).

Maybe that is what you are asking, I'm not sure.
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The wallet is updated in github after heavy development consisting of over 1000 commits (as anyone can independently verify so I won't both to post commit logs here), and is available for testing.

Hey smooth, this latest squabble touches on a point I wrote about at a venue called Enter Stage Right. Believe it or not, the rubric I was riffin' on was none other than altcoin socialism! With respect to the, er, current subject, here's the "money quote":

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Altcoin Socialism Turns Out To Be…Socialism    

Since I had to relearn the old learnings the hard way, I can relate why socialism has the perennial appeal that it does. Strangely, a well-run commune or socialist "community" taps into the same yearning for glory you find on the football field. If you're iron-clad sure in your heart that your team is the best there is, you'll pour your guts out on the gridiron. And, if you're convinced that your commune is inevitably going to rock the world as well as yield a nice living, you'll throw yourself into the work just as a professional defensive tackle throws himself into a tackling dummy in practice sessions.

The trouble is: the world of work does not fit into a gridiron.

When you're on the football field, you give it all you got for the two to three hours that the game lasts. But then, the game is over. It's time to get ready for the next one. Followed by the next one after that, and so on until the season ends.

If this high-charged and high-powered ethic is transformed into a commune, it puts a psychological premium on short-term tasks that produce short-term results. Results that you can show to the rest of the commune during the inevitable and necessary morale-keeping rah-rah sessions. That's what keeps everyone going: a touchdown here, a field goal there, and so on. As a result, a commune is not conducive to all the necessary long-term work that takes weeks or months of sustained effort without any visible results. Even if the Leader is conscientious enough to make them "feel included," everyone can see the difference. The people who've completed something and show it – who've won a tangible victory that everyone sees – get real applause, while the long-termers get the polite A-for-effort applause. Inevitably, this drains the morale of people doing the long-term building work.

And if the Leader is not conscientious, the long-term builders wind up getting treated like the towel boy.

The only way to compensate for this inevitable short-termism is to turn the cheerleading and applause into a ritual that sticks. That's why commune rah-rah inevitably turns into an outright faith or even cult. You need that faith securely in your heart to keep plugging away when the incentive tie between your personal work and your personal reward is broken. Like it is in the commune setup, and like it is in any socialist scheme.

Eventually the good ole tragedy of the commons surfaces, which gets a good push from the fact that some people – shrewdly if cynically – see that they'll get fed even if they putter around. They also get the idea that they're smarter than the hard-chargers. So the Stakhanovite, in an essentially voluntary socialism, wonders why he goes from local hero to Animal Farm's Boxer.

The hard workers thus become disillusioned, in small clusters or one by one. Then they get outraged and start yelling, or they get apathetic and quietly move on. Once the tragedy-of-the-commons ball gets rolling, it's only a matter of time before the commune breaks up and winds up as yet another cautionary tale.
 

Full context - i.e., the full article - here: http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0914/realtimeselfsocialism.htm






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For the Monero trolls who like to say I am paranoid instead of explain why they 're development is so behind other Cryptonote coin, here is the record of how the post in the OP was censored yesterday:

1. I post it as a response to the unmoderated thread "Why is Monero ignored by the public even though it has the best tech out there?" and it got deleted.  The user who quoted my post also had that post deleted.

Here is the next post after it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138380.msg12013612#msg12013612

Here you can see another user mention my post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138380.msg12014493#msg12014493

2. Because it was deleted, I post it on the unmoderated XMR thread, where it is deleted again. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

3. I made a new unmoderated thread for the post to sit on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139813, and posted a link to it on the XMR thread, that then got deleted

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My technical post for Monero development is deleted today, here and Monero Reddit.

If you don't want the censored version of Monero development, I have post the deleted information in an open thread:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139813
4. Next, I posted it on the "Moneo Technical Discussion Thread", which is moderated, and Smooth ordered the OP to delete it and ban me. They also changed the name to "Monero Improvement Tecnical Discussion" so they could say the above post was "off-topic".  This is the only evidence let on that thread.

http://i.imgur.com/IpIcpIi.png

5. Finally, I made the the "Monero Tecnical Discussion Thread (unmoderated)" so I could share the (now deleted from 3 threads) post, which then got moved immediately to "meta", with no "moved" message in the alt discussion list (I did not know it was there, I thought i just deleted). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1140460.0

At that point, I even do not have a copy of the post myself, then today, Kazuki posted this, from his own PM about my deleted post from the Monero thread:

I got my post calling your trolling out deleted, like many many others that I don't bitch about. I guess the mods work for you now.

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My technical post for Monero development is deleted today, here and Monero Reddit.

If you don't want the censored version of Monero development, I have post the deleted information in an open thread:  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139813

There is nothing technical in your pure trolling, anyone with half IQ can see the Monero github is full of activity with real underlying improvements over cosmetic ones.

So now I have a copy of the post, and I post it here.  

If you want to say I am paranoid, please show me where in the Alt discussion this post still exist - it doesn't, it was deleted from 3 unmoderated threads, and even a whole other thread was moved because it contained this post.

It is the post that Monero does not want you to read.  I wonder why?  Huh
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August 01, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
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For the Monero trolls who like to say I am paranoid instead of explain why they 're development is so behind other Cryptonote coin

Awwwwww shit, my nigga, the fucking champion cryptocurrency scammers are back from the dead! Well done on resurrecting your CryptoShit Bytemyass scam from certain death. I see you found some time to make pictures, congratu-fucking-lations on learning to use Corel Draw. Now instead of your scam bullshit why don't we talk about what a real open source project looks like and what your scam looks like. Here you go, retards.

What a real open source project's commits look like:





What a SCAM project's commits look like:



What a real open source project's commit frequency looks like:





What a SCAM project's commit frequency looks like:



And for good fucking measure...

What a real open source project's contributor list looks like:




What a SCAM project's contributor list looks like:




Why don't you curl up into a ball and die like the lying scammer fuckheads you are?
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August 01, 2015, 04:44:36 PM
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... but what I do not see here is the Bytecoin comits from 2012, 2013 and early 2014.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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August 01, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
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... but what I do not see here is the Bytecoin comits from 2012, 2013 and early 2014.

Oh shit I forgot those.

Here's a link to all the dev work Bytecoin did from the beginning of 2012 until March 2014
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