#Blocksize Survey

[Zarathustra]

The people of Oregon are 'underdeveloped'?   

Absolutely, and regressing rapidly as our society and education system devolves.

Yes, q.e.d.
Needless to say that the Swiss direct democracy generates a better (broad) education system (not just the higher education for the 1 percent).
...

Ya, educating kids about how great it is to butt-fuck one another.

Yes, that's civilization and capitalism (patriarchy). That means competition, in contrast to the stateless, self-sufficient community (anarchy).
I'm postulating anarchy, but among the several different reign systems I still prefer direct democracy over elitist/feudalist systems.

eh, always the false antagonisms fud: patriachy vs anarchy blablabla..

time to change the bloody record dude..

If you don't know the history - your problem.

[tvbcof]

Yes, q.e.d.
Needless to say that the Swiss direct democracy generates a better (broad) education system (not just the higher education for the 1 percent).
...

Ya, educating kids about how great it is to butt-fuck one another.

Yes, that's civilization and capitalism (patriarchy). That means competition, in contrast to the stateless, self-sufficient community (anarchy).
I'm postulating anarchy, but among the several different reign systems I still prefer direct democracy over elitist/feudalist systems.

Sounds like perviarchy to me.  I'm postulating that you sheep are under management of a bunch of one-worlders who don't want you, or anyone else, reproduce on your own and without proper management.

[Zarathustra]

Yes, q.e.d.
Needless to say that the Swiss direct democracy generates a better (broad) education system (not just the higher education for the 1 percent).
...

Ya, educating kids about how great it is to butt-fuck one another.

Yes, that's civilization and capitalism (patriarchy). That means competition, in contrast to the stateless, self-sufficient community (anarchy).
I'm postulating anarchy, but among the several different reign systems I still prefer direct democracy over elitist/feudalist systems.

Sounds like perviarchy to me.  I'm postulating that you sheep are under management of a bunch of one-worlders who don't want you, or anyone else, reproduce on your own and without proper management.

Your postulates are schizophrenic.

You are against progressiv and regressive education systems at the same time:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12451762#msg12451762

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12454448#msg12454448

Counter 'arguments' as an end in itself.

[tvbcof]

Yes, q.e.d.
Needless to say that the Swiss direct democracy generates a better (broad) education system (not just the higher education for the 1 percent).
...

Ya, educating kids about how great it is to butt-fuck one another.

Yes, that's civilization and capitalism (patriarchy). That means competition, in contrast to the stateless, self-sufficient community (anarchy).
I'm postulating anarchy, but among the several different reign systems I still prefer direct democracy over elitist/feudalist systems.

Sounds like perviarchy to me.  I'm postulating that you sheep are under management of a bunch of one-worlders who don't want you, or anyone else, reproduce on your own and without proper management.

Your postulates are schizophrenic.

You are against progressiv and regressive education systems at the same time:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12451762#msg12451762

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12454448#msg12454448

Counter 'arguments' as an end in itself.

As far as education goes, I've relatively recently and relatively abruptly gone 'old school'.  As long as people somehow learn the three R's (reading, writing, and 'rithmatic), that's fine and it doesn't matter how it happens.  Hopefully it would happen in small localized groups as much as possible.  After that, if some kids want to go farther, fantastic.  I'm happy to have my tax dollars go toward that as well.  These factory schools are as bad for kids and factory farms are bad for swine in my opinion.  And the end goal of pure exploitation by the factory owners is very similar as well.

I don't think it is appropriate for teachers to demo their perversions on kids even if the 'community consensus' in places like Switzerland is that pre-schoolers should know everything there is to know about sodomy and what-not.  But, hey, it's your country.  I'm not going to run over there and try to change you folks just because you do things that I think are sick.

[Zarathustra]

Yes, q.e.d.
Needless to say that the Swiss direct democracy generates a better (broad) education system (not just the higher education for the 1 percent).
...

Ya, educating kids about how great it is to butt-fuck one another.

Yes, that's civilization and capitalism (patriarchy). That means competition, in contrast to the stateless, self-sufficient community (anarchy).
I'm postulating anarchy, but among the several different reign systems I still prefer direct democracy over elitist/feudalist systems.

Sounds like perviarchy to me.  I'm postulating that you sheep are under management of a bunch of one-worlders who don't want you, or anyone else, reproduce on your own and without proper management.

Your postulates are schizophrenic.

You are against progressiv and regressive education systems at the same time:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12451762#msg12451762

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12454448#msg12454448

Counter 'arguments' as an end in itself.

As far as education goes, I've relatively recently and relatively abruptly gone 'old school'.  As long as people somehow learn the three R's (reading, writing, and 'rithmatic), that's fine and it doesn't matter how it happens.  Hopefully it would happen in small localized groups as much as possible.  After that, if some kids want to go farther, fantastic.  I'm happy to have my tax dollars go toward that as well.  These factory schools are as bad for kids and factory farms are bad for swine in my opinion.  And the end goal of pure exploitation by the factory owners is very similar as well.

I don't think it is appropriate for teachers to demo their perversions on kids even if the 'community consensus' in places like Switzerland is that pre-schoolers should know everything there is to know about sodomy and what-not.  But, hey, it's your country.  I'm not going to run over there and try to change you folks just because you do things that I think are sick.

Societies are not communities. But yes, direct democratic ruled people don't need elitists who define for others what's sick and whats' not.

[flix]

It looks like this debate is back....

In talking with miners and companies, one thing I’m hearing repeatedly is “we will wait for the second conference in December. If there’s no progress by then, we’ll switch to BIP 101”

https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.4orj1opxc



If Hearn is correct and all these miners...
http://blocksize.org/bip100.html

..switch to BIP101 in December, we could very well see BIP101 activating in January 2016.

[hdbuck]

It looks like this debate is back....

In talking with miners and companies, one thing I’m hearing repeatedly is “we will wait for the second conference in December. If there’s no progress by then, we’ll switch to BIP 101”

https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.4orj1opxc



If Hearn is correct and all these miners...
http://blocksize.org/bip100.html

..switch to BIP101 in December, we could very well see BIP101 activating in January 2016.

total moron.

btcdrak response, adressing the outright lies and fud:

https://medium.com/@btcdrak/full-of-lies-and-desperation-of-someone-who-risked-his-entire-reputation-on-something-and-lost-and-6c206e68d0cf#.qiiljl3pa

[Adrian-x]

It looks like this debate is back....

In talking with miners and companies, one thing I’m hearing repeatedly is “we will wait for the second conference in December. If there’s no progress by then, we’ll switch to BIP 101”

https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.4orj1opxc



If Hearn is correct and all these miners...
http://blocksize.org/bip100.html

..switch to BIP101 in December, we could very well see BIP101 activating in January 2016.

total moron.

btcdrak response, adressing the outright lies and fud:

https://medium.com/@btcdrak/full-of-lies-and-desperation-of-someone-who-risked-his-entire-reputation-on-something-and-lost-and-6c206e68d0cf#.qiiljl3pa

there is lots of FUD, btcdrak doesn't address it at all! btcdrak overlooks the huge chasm between the crony Developers who have assess to modify Bitcoin Core, and there inbred circle jerking, ignoring experts in other disciplines who contribute to the Bitcoin space mainly the economics.

The essence of what is actually happening is expressed well here: Blocksizegate as Regulatory Capture its got nothing to do with Mike other than he's out first casualty Regulatory Capture.

if bitcoin fails its not for the reasons you think it's going to be because of the inbred development team who are not open to input from experts in other fields. the power doesn't rest with Developers and miners but with the network of users and investors, who are being alienated and herded towards off block chain solutions. 

[hdbuck]

It looks like this debate is back....

In talking with miners and companies, one thing I’m hearing repeatedly is “we will wait for the second conference in December. If there’s no progress by then, we’ll switch to BIP 101”

https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.4orj1opxc



If Hearn is correct and all these miners...
http://blocksize.org/bip100.html

..switch to BIP101 in December, we could very well see BIP101 activating in January 2016.

total moron.

btcdrak response, adressing the outright lies and fud:

https://medium.com/@btcdrak/full-of-lies-and-desperation-of-someone-who-risked-his-entire-reputation-on-something-and-lost-and-6c206e68d0cf#.qiiljl3pa

there is lots of FUD, btcdrak doesn't address it at all! btcdrak overlooks the huge chasm between the crony Developers who have assess to modify Bitcoin Core, and there inbred circle jerking, ignoring experts in other disciplines who contribute to the Bitcoin space mainly the economics.

The essence of what is actually happening is expressed well here: Blocksizegate as Regulatory Capture its got nothing to do with Mike other than he's out first casualty Regulatory Capture.

if bitcoin fails its not for the reasons you think it's going to be because of the inbred development team who are not open to input from experts in other fields. the power doesn't rest with Developers and miners but with the network of users and investors, who are being alienated and herded towards off block chain solutions. 

lel and who would the 'experts' be? you? frapdoc? please dont tell me peter r...

seriously, go crawl back in that circle jerk minority of a forum you and your fallacies found refuge in.

[flix]

Average #blocksize

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

We are not so far away from 1MB....

[VeritasSapere]

Everyone should read this:
https://medium.com/faith-and-future/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1
https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830
https://medium.com/@riprowan/the-entire-debate-transcends-block-sizes-and-gets-to-the-fundamental-principles-of-bitcoin-as-c7f7bc1a493#.qj0wwps11

These are also informative:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164464.0

Inform yourself and decide for yourself using reason.

[zimmah]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?       

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change. 

This is not a good sign

[hdbuck]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?      

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change.  

This is not a good sign

nothing to be fixed as no problem jeopardizing bitcoin as of now. + the famous pseudo BIPs solutions brings more problems to bitcoin in the first place if implemented in such hurry.

consensus is status quo, and research.

open source means you can propose and participate at the writing of the code, yet nobody is forced to use your new code, even if you have a noob army brigading for you over social networks a la reddit.

[Zarathustra]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?      

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change.  

This is not a good sign

nothing to be fixed as no problem jeopardizing bitcoin as of now. + the famous pseudo BIPs solutions brings more problems to bitcoin in the first place if implemented in such hurry.

consensus is status quo, and research.

open source means you can propose and participate at the writing of the code, yet nobody is forced to use your new code, even if you have a noob army brigading for you over social networks a la reddit.

It has to be fixed. Even Adam 'proposes' today: 2 MB now, 4 MB in 2 years and 8 MB in 4 years. On which planet do you live?

[tvbcof]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?       

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change. 

This is not a good sign

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Right now Bitcoin still constitutes a potentially usable foundation for autonomous value storage free of counter-party risk (much like precious metals.)  It is simple and proven and has stood the test of time and of attack better than I had guessed it would when I initially took a position.

I and others see the appropriate track to be to build on the foundation that Bitcoin provides.  The most obvious failure mode would be for Bitcoin to grow itself into a situation where it was no longer reliable or workable as an autonomous system supportable by low capital actors.  I have little doubt that the real force behind the movement to bloat Bitcoin is coming from people who see things the exact same way.  The main difference is that Bitcoin failing is, to me, a bad thing.

[hdbuck]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?       

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change. 

This is not a good sign

nothing to be fixed as no problem jeopardizing bitcoin as of now. + the famous pseudo BIPs solutions brings more problems to bitcoin in the first place if implemented in such hurry.

consensus is status quo, and research.

open source means you can propose and participate at the writing of the code, yet nobody is forced to use your new code, even if you have a noob army brigading for you over social networks a la reddit.

It has to be fixed. Even Adam 'proposes' today: 2 MB now, 4 MB in 2 years and 8 MB in 4 years. On which planet do you live?

Adam's throwing you hysteric babies a bone to chew on.

[VeritasSapere]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?      

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change.  

This is not a good sign

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Right now Bitcoin still constitutes a potentially usable foundation for autonomous value storage free of counter-party risk (much like precious metals.)  It is simple and proven and has stood the test of time and of attack better than I had guessed it would when I initially took a position.

I and others see the appropriate track to be to build on the foundation that Bitcoin provides.  The most obvious failure mode would be for Bitcoin to grow itself into a situation where it was no longer reliable or workable as an autonomous system supportable by low capital actors.  I have little doubt that the real force behind the movement to bloat Bitcoin is coming from people who see things the exact same way.  The main difference is that Bitcoin failing is, to me, a bad thing.

It works now, however with increased adoption and therefore increased transaction volume it will not work as it does now, transactions would become unreliable and the fee would also increase, this would conversely hamper adoption and worsen the public perception of Bitcoin.

I think that increasing the blocksize will maximize decentralization and financial freedom compared to the alternatives over the long run. That is my position and that is my intend, I want Bitcoin to "succeed" regardless of what other people say to the contrary.

[tvbcof]

...The most obvious failure mode would be for Bitcoin to grow itself into a situation where it was no longer reliable or workable as an autonomous system supportable by low capital actors.  I have little doubt that the real force behind the movement to bloat Bitcoin is coming from people who see things the exact same way.  The main difference is that Bitcoin failing is, to me, a bad thing.

It works now, however with increased adoption and therefore increased transaction volume it will not work as it does now, transactions will become unreliable and the fee will increase, this would conversely hamper adoption and worsen the public perception of Bitcoin.

I think that increasing the blocksize will maximize decentralization and financial freedom compared to the alternatives over the long run. That is my position and that is my intend, I want Bitcoin to "succeed" regardless of what other people say to the contrary.

I choose my text carefully to account for participants like you.  And, in fact, you specifically since you are one of the more visible of (potentially) this category these days.

[brg444]

I don't care how it gets fixed, as long as it does gets fixed.

How did we still not get consensus on this?      

An open source protocol should be much faster at adopting to change.  

This is not a good sign

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Right now Bitcoin still constitutes a potentially usable foundation for autonomous value storage free of counter-party risk (much like precious metals.)  It is simple and proven and has stood the test of time and of attack better than I had guessed it would when I initially took a position.

I and others see the appropriate track to be to build on the foundation that Bitcoin provides.  The most obvious failure mode would be for Bitcoin to grow itself into a situation where it was no longer reliable or workable as an autonomous system supportable by low capital actors.  I have little doubt that the real force behind the movement to bloat Bitcoin is coming from people who see things the exact same way.  The main difference is that Bitcoin failing is, to me, a bad thing.

I think that increasing the blocksize will maximize decentralization and financial freedom compared to the alternatives over the long run.

Yes, and some people "think" Quantitative Easing will lead to economic recovery.

There's a reason why you're left posing as a corporate side-show on the forums and not in position of power or decision: your opinion and what you "think" is irrelevant since you have no experience or authority in this field.

You can shout as loud as you'd like for as long as you want no one is listening.

[VeritasSapere]

More ad hominem from the usual suspects.