What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine

[KriszDev]

There is an interesting article from defense.com (hopefully not Putin's agent)

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/

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"Our soldiers are doing the training with the Ukrainians and we've learned a lot from the Ukrainians," said Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. "A third of the [Ukrainian] soldiers have served in the ... combat zone, and no Americans have been under Russian artillery or rocket fire..."

Which actually means that US troops can only finish the already disorganised troops who were bombed from above and have never been in a confrontation with an organised rival, who is willing to fight and possesses artillery, which made the most impact in the WW2. If we imagine that american soldiers are put against russian army or even ISIS or any other army which has at least old soviet artillery systems - it is not trained for the war and exposed for defeat.
This is why the americans are not sending the troops against ISIS I think. Not because they don't want to. But because they would fail without the air support.

2.

Russia maintains an ability to destroy command-and-control networks by jamming radio communications, radars and GPS signals, according to Laurie Buckhout, former chief of the US Army's electronic warfare division, now CEO of the Corvus Group. In contrast with the US, Russia has large units dedicated to electronic warfare, known as EW, which it dedicates to ground electronic attack, jamming communications, radar and command-and-control nets...

..."Our biggest problem is we have not fought in a comms-degraded environment for decades, so we don't know how to do it," Buckhout said. "We lack not only tactics, techniques and procedures but the training to fight in a comms-degraded environment."

This is not about WW2, but about the future war. If an american squad is left without the communication with the commander it loses efficiency and those ugly russians have all the chances to take the communications off, which is a surprise for US Army for now.
Also, it is necessary to say that if the Donbass miners and teachers could cope and use this type of equipment - it is easy to use for anyone. In the world. Which pretty much shrinks the ability of US army to control the just conquered area and exposes their bases for planned attacks.

3.

'Future of War Is in the Ukraine'

Forces with US Army Europe have for the last 10 weeks been training three battalions of Ukraine Ministry of the Interior troops, known as Ukraine's national guard. The second cycle of that training was paused so that troops could participate in a combined multinational exercise, underway through early August, and it will resume and conclude with the third battalion in August.
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But Konstiantyn Liesnik, an adviser to the Defense Ministry's reform office and head of its working group for logistics and procurement, noted the US military's experience in recent years has concerned insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, not a powerful, organized and well-equipped adversary like Russia.

"The future of war is in the Ukraine, and I think in this case our experience is very important to US personnel how war should be in this century and next century," Liesnik said.

This actually means that starting from Maidan US government used the ukrainian fascists in order to investigate what Russia would do and how it fights. Understanding that there is no chance of winning a war now US army needs to find weak spots for a fast and devastating strike which has more than 100% possibility to make a success.

The aim of US government for this and next century has been made. And it is war. Having entertained in Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving a wonderful ISIS as a result of long peacekeeping there US leadership is thinking of turning Eurasia in the same status as it has been done with arabian east. If US citizens agree with it - they should understand WHAT they do agree with and think of possible counteractions from the side of those who are being the aim of the aggressive plans.

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[rio3232]

There is an interesting article from defense.com (hopefully not Putin's agent)

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/

1.

"Our soldiers are doing the training with the Ukrainians and we've learned a lot from the Ukrainians," said Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. "A third of the [Ukrainian] soldiers have served in the ... combat zone, and no Americans have been under Russian artillery or rocket fire..."

Which actually means that US troops can only finish the already disorganised troops who were bombed from above and have never been in a confrontation with an organised rival, who is willing to fight and possesses artillery, which made the most impact in the WW2. If we imagine that american soldiers are put against russian army or even ISIS or any other army which has at least old soviet artillery systems - it is not trained for the war and exposed for defeat.
This is why the americans are not sending the troops against ISIS I think. Not because they don't want to. But because they would fail without the air support.

2.

Russia maintains an ability to destroy command-and-control networks by jamming radio communications, radars and GPS signals, according to Laurie Buckhout, former chief of the US Army's electronic warfare division, now CEO of the Corvus Group. In contrast with the US, Russia has large units dedicated to electronic warfare, known as EW, which it dedicates to ground electronic attack, jamming communications, radar and command-and-control nets...

..."Our biggest problem is we have not fought in a comms-degraded environment for decades, so we don't know how to do it," Buckhout said. "We lack not only tactics, techniques and procedures but the training to fight in a comms-degraded environment."

This is not about WW2, but about the future war. If an american squad is left without the communication with the commander it loses efficiency and those ugly russians have all the chances to take the communications off, which is a surprise for US Army for now.
Also, it is necessary to say that if the Donbass miners and teachers could cope and use this type of equipment - it is easy to use for anyone. In the world. Which pretty much shrinks the ability of US army to control the just conquered area and exposes their bases for planned attacks.

3.

'Future of War Is in the Ukraine'

Forces with US Army Europe have for the last 10 weeks been training three battalions of Ukraine Ministry of the Interior troops, known as Ukraine's national guard. The second cycle of that training was paused so that troops could participate in a combined multinational exercise, underway through early August, and it will resume and conclude with the third battalion in August.
...
But Konstiantyn Liesnik, an adviser to the Defense Ministry's reform office and head of its working group for logistics and procurement, noted the US military's experience in recent years has concerned insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, not a powerful, organized and well-equipped adversary like Russia.

"The future of war is in the Ukraine, and I think in this case our experience is very important to US personnel how war should be in this century and next century," Liesnik said.

This actually means that starting from Maidan US government used the ukrainian fascists in order to investigate what Russia would do and how it fights. Understanding that there is no chance of winning a war now US army needs to find weak spots for a fast and devastating strike which has more than 100% possibility to make a success.

The aim of US government for this and next century has been made. And it is war. Having entertained in Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving a wonderful ISIS as a result of long peacekeeping there US leadership is thinking of turning Eurasia in the same status as it has been done with arabian east. If US citizens agree with it - they should understand WHAT they do agree with and think of possible counteractions from the side of those who are being the aim of the aggressive plans.

What a load of total BS and evidence that the OP knows absolutely Nothing about American Soldiers. That said anyone notice that the Russians are the ones that keep talking of war while claim it is the evil West that is the cause of their own aggression. Clue: Russia would last about a month before Russian soldiers would be surrendering in mass, Putin does not have the loyalty that would drive their soldiers to die for him.

[KriszDev]

What a load of total BS and evidence that the OP knows absolutely Nothing about American Soldiers. That said anyone notice that the Russians are the ones that keep talking of war while claim it is the evil West that is the cause of their own aggression. Clue: Russia would last about a month before Russian soldiers would be surrendering in mass, Putin does not have the loyalty that would drive their soldiers to die for him.

That is the opinion of a military instructor who teaches the cannon fodder how to fight. He doesn't share the view of the Internet warriors like you who would say that Russia wouldn't stand a month or three weeks (like Hitler thought) against the true warriors of western civilization. The actual problem is not that the guys of your level have such a viewpoint. The problem is that the US leadership's level is exactly like yours.

[Valonib]

What a load of total BS and evidence that the OP knows absolutely Nothing about American Soldiers. That said anyone notice that the Russians are the ones that keep talking of war while claim it is the evil West that is the cause of their own aggression. Clue: Russia would last about a month before Russian soldiers would be surrendering in mass, Putin does not have the loyalty that would drive their soldiers to die for him.

Yea, those Russian male shortcomings keep showing here. The OP should ask the Iraq Republican Guard how U. S. troops handle Russia built junk.

[jeckman]

Yea, those Russian male shortcomings keep showing here. The OP should ask the Iraq Republican Guard how U. S. troops handle Russia built junk.

I believe it was over in under 100hrs. The U.S. military was so overwhelming it became a PR issue. I remember...because I watched the entire war on TV. The Russian built equipment became coffins and was referred to as target practice.

[KriszDev]

Yea, those Russian male shortcomings keep showing here. The OP should ask the Iraq Republican Guard how U. S. troops handle Russia built junk.

It's the same then asking russian army specialists themselves.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150319/1019724723.html

There is a propaganda belief in US that only the US is fighting against the Islamic State. There are videos and other issues proving it. But the reality is slightly different ISIS has troubles against Syria, Iraq and kurdish militia. This is why recently Turkey dropped some bombs at kurds and US promised to bomb Syria... ISIS needs your help, guys. They won't make without you!

[rio3232]

That is the opinion of a military instructor who teaches the cannon fodder how to fight. He doesn't share the view of the Internet warriors like you who would say that Russia wouldn't stand a month or three weeks (like Hitler thought) against the true warriors of western civilization. The actual problem is not that the guys of your level have such a viewpoint. The problem is that the US leadership's level is exactly like yours.

Nope, the problem is people such as yourself believing what nonsense is fed you, or that you pass on from your handlers. I was also an instructor and combat soldier in the US Army, and I can assure you that your boys will be hard pressed to do anything other than surrender. Rattle your swords of war all you want, but step over the line and Russia will pay the price of Putin's aggression.

[KriszDev]

Nope, the problem is people such as yourself believing what nonsense is fed you, or that you pass on from your handlers.

This is an information from an american web-site a purely american owner and the words belong to an american instructor. So your personal attack just qualifies you as an unable to read.

[KriszDev]

I was also an instructor and combat soldier in the US Army, and I can assure you that your boys will be hard pressed to do anything other than surrender. Rattle your swords of war all you want, but step over the line and Russia will pay the price of Putin's aggression.

It's not russian instructor teaching fascists and murderers how to kill people. It's yours. (*)(*)(*)(*) of our borders and stay in peace. Americans don't have any interests in dying fighting russians in this stupid war. It's only a few guys from amrican leadership who would like to become multibillionares out of the today's status of regular billionares.

[rio3232]

This is an information from an american web-site a purely american owner and the words belong to an american instructor. So your personal attack just qualifies you as an unable to read.

It's not russian instructor teaching fascists and murderers how to kill people. It's yours. (*)(*)(*)(*) of our borders and stay in peace. Americans don't have any interests in dying fighting russians in this stupid war. It's only a few guys from amrican leadership who would like to become multibillionares out of the today's status of regular billionares.

Invade more European Nations and learn more lessons.

[Congtyn]

What a load of total BS and evidence that the OP knows absolutely Nothing about American Soldiers. That said anyone notice that the Russians are the ones that keep talking of war while claim it is the evil West that is the cause of their own aggression. Clue: Russia would last about a month before Russian soldiers would be surrendering in mass, Putin does not have the loyalty that would drive their soldiers to die for him.

If you think Russia would bow to any country, you don't know Russian history and the Russian people. They burned their homes in Moscow so Napoleons army wouldn't take them, and lost twenty seven million people rather than allow the Nazis to take over their lands. As of yet, their population hasn't recovered from it.

As for being loyal to Putin, this video by Stratfor Global Intelligence will prove otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjdJLtS5ps8&feature=youtu.be

[tiffany8]

A Kiev Hijacker army officer who drunkenly ran an armored vehicle over pedestrians, killing an 8-year-old girl earlier this year has been awarded a state medal. The military claims that President Petro Poroshenko honored the soldier for his outstanding leadership prior to the tragic event.
http://www.rt.com/news/311596-soldier-medal-drunk-killing/

[KriszDev]

Invade more European Nations and learn more lessons.

I don't remember any cases that Russia in its history did anything like bombing Serbian schools, hospitals and bridges in order to play tough. There was only one case of russian agression against a european nation, which was the Winter war against future nazi sattelite. All the other cases can hardly compare to what the US did to the world.

[arul.BP]

Is this message board overly-populated with Russian Internet propagandists?

I mean, these guys and their painfully embarrassing lies and self-delusion and amateur-hour propagandizing are funny, and entertaining, but there seems to be a lot of it on this particular system.

Any insights?

I sure do enjoy their threats and saber-rattling and bully-boy posturing - classic Russian paranoia and inferiority-complex stuff - enough to keep an entire conference of psychiatrists busy for months.

Just curious.

[rio3232]

I don't remember any cases that Russia in its history did anything like bombing Serbian schools, hospitals and bridges in order to play tough. There was only one case of russian agression against a european nation, which was the Winter war against future nazi sattelite. All the other cases can hardly compare to what the US did to the world.

Interesting that your forget Afghanistan (oh yeah You Lost), Vietnam, The Ukraine, ALL of Eastern Europe enslaved under your thumb for over 50 years. Yes, Russia has clean hands..

[rio3232]

Is this message board overly-populated with Russian Internet propagandists?

I mean, these guys and their painfully embarrassing lies and self-delusion and amateur-hour propagandizing are funny, and entertaining, but there seems to be a lot of it on this particular system.

Any insights?

I sure do enjoy their threats and saber-rattling and bully-boy posturing - classic Russian paranoia and inferiority-complex stuff - enough to keep an entire conference of psychiatrists busy for months.

Just curious.

The answer is Yes, the site allows KGB agents to post their propaganda here, read it for entertainment value it provides if you wish, some of their nonsense is down right hilarious.

[KriszDev]

Is this message board overly-populated with Russian Internet propagandists?

I mean, these guys and their painfully embarrassing lies and self-delusion and amateur-hour propagandizing are funny, and entertaining, but there seems to be a lot of it on this particular system.

Any insights?

I sure do enjoy their threats and saber-rattling and bully-boy posturing - classic Russian paranoia and inferiority-complex stuff - enough to keep an entire conference of psychiatrists busy for months.

Just curious.

As for myself I am not a propagandist. And I don't preoccupy myself with lots of posts. I post just the things which are interesting to me. My rhetorics really changed, because the times changed here. It might not be felt inside the internal political election show in the US, but there is a lot of blood spilt already and the more it is spilling the more is the mutual hatred and risks of a big nuclear war. And the less is the maneuver in understanding each other. If I tell lies about you today there is a chance that we will still make friends over a piece of meat and bottle of beer, but if I rape your girlfriend and kill your mother there is almost a zero chance that you would give a second for a thought before shooting me at sight. Americans for the moment are as hated in Russia as russians are in the US. Even more. Because we seetons of blood from Donbass every day. And it comes not only with propaganda news. A lot of us have relatives in Ukraine and basically we are the one people with the citizens of Ukraine. There hasn't been much time after collapse of the USSR. This is why it is not the ukrainians which russians would go to war with as it might be planned by the White House. It is the US. And the war will not be an easy entertaining like hunting Iraqi armymen from board a plane. This is going to be a last war for the civilization which we know. If it can be cured by psychiatrists I would suggest calling for them to cure all of those who don't understand it.

[KriszDev]

Interesting that your forget Afghanistan (oh yeah You Lost), Vietnam, The Ukraine, ALL of Eastern Europe enslaved under your thumb for over 50 years. Yes, Russia has clean hands..

With all my respect to Afghanistan people they are not a "european nation" which was mentioned in your post. I was commenting on what I have read and nothing else.
As for Ukraine Russia hasn't invaded it. If we invaded it as it might have been planned we would hav just the troubles of partisan war and eternal economic sanctions for taking a debtor with a potential of being ten times heavier than Greece for EU. There are no russian troops in ukrainian territory. There are the will-fighters and I think there also are some military instructors who train the anti-fascists of Donbass just like US military does it with the fascists.

PS As for eastern europe it was not enslaved. It had it politics which was dependant from USSR the way the politics of western europe was defined by US. Once the economical and political system of the commonwealth became inefficient (in fact it was made inefficient) USSR hasn't bombed anyone who was willing to leave the way the kievan puppets of US do it in Donbass. Even the Ukraine itself was left uncharged and 'unpunished'. This change of borders was welcomed by EU and US without any regards to international law and other litter, which they wave now in case of Ukraine.

[rio3232]

With all my respect to Afghanistan people they are not a "european nation" which was mentioned in your post. I was commenting on what I have read and nothing else.
As for Ukraine Russia hasn't invaded it. If we invaded it as it might have been planned we would hav just the troubles of partisan war and eternal economic sanctions for taking a debtor with a potential of being ten times heavier than Greece for EU. There are no russian troops in ukrainian territory. There are the will-fighters and I think there also are some military instructors who train the anti-fascists of Donbass just like US military does it with the fascists.

PS As for eastern europe it was not enslaved. It had it politics which was dependant from USSR the way the politics of western europe was defined by US. Once the economical and political system of the commonwealth became inefficient (in fact it was made inefficient) USSR hasn't bombed anyone who was willing to leave the way the kievan puppets of US do it in Donbass. Even the Ukraine itself was left uncharged and 'unpunished'. This change of borders was welcomed by EU and US without any regards to international law and other litter, which they wave now in case of Ukraine.

Do you believe the nonsense you post or simply pass on the prepared answers?

[Nora12322]

I don't remember any cases that Russia in its history did anything like bombing Serbian schools, hospitals and bridges in order to play tough. There was only one case of russian agression against a european nation, which was the Winter war against future nazi sattelite. All the other cases can hardly compare to what the US did to the world.

No, not Serbia ... but they bombed Grozny back to stone age and most parts of Chechnya with it, killing thousands with this and all in matter of war against these evil Muslim terrorists who are so impudent and won't be further part of Russia!

Ehm ... well ... but if Russian won't be part of Ukraine with all this silly jabbering of Nazis in Kiev etc. (when being itself Russian fascists as same as Ukrainian are Nazis ... what an irony in itself, isn't it?), then it is of course something total else and is not a spark full comparable with Chechnya!
But if these 2 minorities in Georgia won't be part of Georgia but part of Russia and start to make rebellion, then they are again poor people and need support of Russia and this has of course nothing to do with Chechnyia too and isn't comparable etc. ... bla bla bla!

No, I don't defend USA here, they did evil without any doubts ... but it is totally ridiculous to claim that Russia is so peaceful and to blame the USA to be so evil, when Russia is same way evil! Only difference between both is that USA did more often as Russia, but if they do, both do the same way brutal and careless!