What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine

[KriszDev]

No, not Serbia ... but they bombed Grozny back to stone age and most parts of Chechnya with it, killing thousands with this and all in matter of war against these evil Muslim terrorists who are so impudent and won't be further part of Russia!

The stone age of Grozny:

https://twitter.com/mathieurault5/status/572839882575491072

I wonder if Iraq or Afghanistan has the same result or better.

The thing is that if a muslim is given a chance to live with his own values - then the results of his life are about the same as european's. The problem is not muslims. The problem is terrorists. The guys who kill real people for the sake of an abstract better world. BTW once Russia tried to fight the same (in most cases it is literally the same) people in Chechnya the West had a different position defending the terrorists and not the territorial integrity of Russia. Even when they understood that under Russia it would be much better for the people than it would have been under the terrorists... The position of the western rights of people changes depending of the current political situation. So I don't accept any argument based on people's right from a westerner. As a person you might believe in it yourself. But as a tool in a policy these rights are used to create wars and bloody mess of my country like it is already done in Libya. This country under Gaddafi was not providing EU with that much quantity of immigrants... Having destroyed it then your politicians today refuse little girls of any chance for survival showing how "strong" they are. Pfffff. You want to talk - talk the business.

[KriszDev]

Ehm ... well ... but if Russian won't be part of Ukraine with all this silly jabbering of Nazis in Kiev etc. (when being itself Russian fascists as same as Ukrainian are Nazis ... what an irony in itself, isn't it?), then it is of course something total else and is not a spark full comparable with Chechnya!

Let us compare. I call chechen terrorists (some of them were not even chechen by nation) terroritsts not because I want to mark them with a bad word. They performed terrorist attacks on civilians in order to pressurize russian government and force them to make political decisions to their favour. There were numerous attacks on Moscow, Volgograd, Budennovsk. But the rebels of Donbass... Did they blow any civilians in Kiev in order to pressurize ukrainian puppets of the US? So?
When I call ukrainian fascists as fascists I don't mean the whole nation... as I don't mean germans of being fascists if I would speak of Hitler times.

[KriszDev]

But if these 2 minorities in Georgia won't be part of Georgia but part of Russia and start to make rebellion, then they are again poor people and need support of Russia and this has of course nothing to do with Chechnyia too and isn't comparable etc. ... bla bla bla!

Georgia was free to perform any miracle of economy and motivate abkhazians and ossetians to join them inside their nice state. But they chose a different way. The choice was a choice of a land as for ossetians and abkhazians they didn't care. This is why Russia had to intervene. Now these minorities live in the land which belongs to them by nature and history and not by a piece of paper (as it really blongs to Georgia).

I have zero problems with eastern europeans having joined the EU. It was their national choice which I have to respect. But it seems that the way we respect their choice is far more than they respect the choice of people living east off Poland.

[KriszDev]

No, I don't defend USA here, they did evil without any doubts ... but it is totally ridiculous to claim that Russia is so peaceful and to blame the USA to be so evil, when Russia is same way evil! Only difference between both is that USA did more often as Russia, but if they do, both do the same way brutal and careless!

I was given a blame - I provided an answer. I have no reason for sophisticated constructions like "A has killed a kid every day" "B has ran across a guy once in a car". "A and B are the same killers and B can actually be considered even worse, because he wants to look better than A"... I love Russia and I am not giving up to anti-russian propaganda.

[KriszDev]

Do you believe the nonsense you post or simply pass on the prepared answers?

I never speak anything which I haven't thought of MYSELF.

[peterson33]

I never speak anything which I haven't thought of MYSELF.

Blatantly untrue.

I am also curious why Russians keep talking about war with he west. No one else does, just Russians sitting here talking about static war, nuclear war, economic war, whatever.

You guys are hilarious warmongers

[KriszDev]

Blatantly untrue.

I am also curious why Russians keep talking about war with he west. No one else does, just Russians sitting here talking about static war, nuclear war, economic war, whatever.

You guys are hilarious warmongers

Because the war is closer to Russia then it is to the westerners. Before the start of WW2 while western politician talked about 'peace for generation' and played interesting cultural games of nazis



Hitler had already annexed Czechoslovakia and started the war preparation fueling the system with the blood of racially weak jews and others. Few civilians in 1937 did understand that the war is already and the hottest phase is really close.

For the moment I myself think that the big war is imminent and I see no other way for the world to continue. If there is no dramatic change to the good, which I hope for, but don't have any reasons to believe.

[peterson33]

Yes, that is all correct.

Now for extra fun, which country has taken territory by military mean in the last couple years.

So again I ask, why do you guys want to go to war so badly? Is that how you guys feel you will be powerful in the world again?

[KriszDev]

Yes, that is all correct.

ISIS.

So again I ask, why do you guys want to go to war so badly? Is that how you guys feel you will be powerful in the world again?

I don't want. I desperately want that one of my readers would at least pray about me in our last hours and once we met in the afterlife we would have at least some possibility for the communal future. I don't hope for anything more than that.

[godlyitems]

Go ahead and throw on a jammer against US troops. That's a great way to get an up lose demonstration of the effectiveness of an MLRS or ATACMS warhead.

[KriszDev]

Go ahead and throw on a jammer against US troops. That's a great way to get an up lose demonstration of the effectiveness of an MLRS or ATACMS warhead.

Exactly. And this means nuclear war.

[godlyitems]

Exactly. And this means nuclear war.

How? Both of those are conventional weapons.

[rio3232]

I never speak anything which I haven't thought of MYSELF.

So you are the head of the KGB, pleased to met ya.

[KriszDev]

How? Both of those are conventional weapons.

Who told you that nuclear response is allowed only for nuclear strike? During the carribean crisis US wanted to destroy soviet nuclear rockets with conventional weapons. And if the plan started these rockets wouldn't wait until the americans hit with their nuclear bombs somewhere near.

The jamming of signal allows to paralyse and disorganise the troops. In conditions when the troops don't have the orders to open fire they are exposed to propaganda and civil pressure. Multi-launch rocket system can only strike to kill, which is an act of war and brings the strike back. Then follows the strike back with something heavier, and heavier strike back and? And nuclear war as it was said.

So you are the head of the KGB, pleased to met ya.

Did anyone speak of the psychiatrists in the thread? It's hightime!

[godlyitems]

Who told you that nuclear response is allowed only for nuclear strike? During the carribean crisis US wanted to destroy soviet nuclear rockets with conventional weapons. And if the plan started these rockets wouldn't wait until the americans hit with their nuclear bombs somewhere near.

The jamming of signal allows to paralyse and disorganise the troops. In conditions when the troops don't have the orders to open fire they are exposed to propaganda and civil pressure. Multi-launch rocket system can only strike to kill, which is an act of war and brings the strike back. Then follows the strike back with something heavier, and heavier strike back and? And nuclear war as it was said.

Jamming is already an act of war. If Russia jammed US troops, they would be the ones striking first.

[KriszDev]

Jamming is already an act of war. If Russia jammed US troops, they would be the ones striking first.

They say something different.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-burn-down-uss-donald-duck/

[godlyitems]

They say something different.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-burn-down-uss-donald-duck/

Not all jamming is created equal. What the Fencers were doing was spoofing, that is jamming active acquisition radar. That is defensive passive jamming.

Jamming enemy communications or systems like GPS are offensive active jamming. That is an act of war.

[KriszDev]

Not all jamming is created equal. What the Fencers were doing was spoofing, that is jamming active acquisition radar. That is defensive passive jamming.

Jamming enemy communications or systems like GPS are offensive active jamming. That is an act of war.

If it fails. If it succeeds then the war doesn't start and no victims appear. If a wquad of superultraspecial marines is blocked and forced to surrender under the circumstances of absence of the communication, then acr of war doesn't happen from their side and it turns into act of propaganda. If Russia destroys GPS sattelites then it is a possibility of the war.
But these are details which we can neglect. The balancing of modern political situation at a knife blade between cold war and nuclear war is more then obvious even from the discussion of these details itself.

[godlyitems]

If it fails. If it succeeds then the war doesn't start and no victims appear. If a wquad of superultraspecial marines is blocked and forced to surrender under the circumstances of absence of the communication, then acr of war doesn't happen from their side and it turns into act of propaganda. If Russia destroys GPS sattelites then it is a possibility of the war.
But these are details which we can neglect. The balancing of modern political situation at a knife blade between cold war and nuclear war is more then obvious even from the discussion of these details itself.

You can't jam cabled communications and you can't jam runners. Any commander worth his salt is going to get word out about active jamming and have the jammers destroyed.

[Nemo1024]

I don't remember any cases that Russia in its history did anything like bombing Serbian schools, hospitals and bridges in order to play tough. There was only one case of russian agression against a european nation, which was the Winter war against future nazi sattelite. All the other cases can hardly compare to what the US did to the world.

Interesting that your forget Afghanistan (oh yeah You Lost), Vietnam, The Ukraine, ALL of Eastern Europe enslaved under your thumb for over 50 years. Yes, Russia has clean hands..

Afghanistan. Before Americans created Taliban there, Soviet Union was constructing infrastructure, building roads and power plants there. Some of it is still functioning there today. US just had to get and destroy it.

Ukraine. An artificial state. Actually Russia, prior to the West-funded coup d'etat of 1917 and the subsequent illegal and illegitimate split of of Russia.

Vietnam. If I remember correctly, USA got a royal beating there.

Eastern Europe. If "Enslaved"="rebuilt and financed by", then yes.