Doesn't Maidsafe deprecate basically EVERYTHING?

[cellard]

I don't understand how people isn't talking about this like crazy.

Comparison to other technologies

Difference between Freenet and Maidsafe

https://www.reddit.com/r/maidsafe/comments/273lj2/difference_between_freenet_and_maidsafe/

The SAFE Network differs from many of the organisations and products in the space because it offers the decentralized Internet at the core of it's design. Some of these projects are currently trying to add components that bend them into the shape of a decentralized Internet, but this is not what they were designed for. As a result, many of these projects require significant set up and only work on certain platforms. It is worth noting that MaidSafe, and it's community, supports any project that backs a decentralized Internet, however we don't see any with the same goals as the SAFE Network: Privacy, Security and Freedom for everyone!
Bitcoin vs Safecoin

    David Irvine explains.. "User Defined data" of a SafeCoin can hold a file/directory (no blockchain bloat issues cos SafeCoin confess with its own storage, accessible to everyone, free, all the time - nothing to pre-download as in bitcoin-QT).

Safecoin can be used for anything, such as bets, shares, trades, smart contracts etc." ----> SAFE is bitcoin/Ethereum on steroids!

Safecoin are held differently to immutable data chunks (to be documented):

    "Coins are held as group data and maintained by that group, so not distributed like immutable chunks, but managed more like structured_data_versions." ~ David Irvine

Safecoin Differentiators

Safecoin is a secure decentralised currency secured by cryptography and a decentralised network, with similar characteristics, but wholly different technology.

    Secure (safecoin is at least as secure as bitcoin. For example, the famous bitcoin "51% attack", would require at least 75%, and even then have only limited vulnerability.)
    Truly Anonymous (no blockchain--only anonymous IDs are recorded, and only the current and immediately preceding owners' IDs are retained.)
    Massively Scalable (Instant or near-instant transactions, regardless of transaction volume--no blockchain bottleneck.)
    Accessible (Anyone with a computing device can obtain safecoin simply by joining the network and farming by sharing bandwidth and disk space with the network, whereas this was only feasible with bitcoin during the early days and now a small number specialised "miners" earn almost all the bitcoin available. On the SAFE Network, farming capability will remain much more evenly distributed even as the network matures and farming rates decline. See @fergish's post).

These factors have very significant implications for the widespread adoption, application and longevity of safecoin as opposed to other cryptocurrencies which are, in the case of bitcoin and other blockchain based currencies, for example, severely hamstrung by deficiencies in several of the above areas.

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Ethereum vs SAFE

Architecturally, Ethereum and the SAFE Network are quite different. Ethereum is based on a blockchain that features a turing complete scripting language, while the SAFE Network has no blockchain at all but achieves consensus within close groups. As for the applications that can be built on top of each system, it's too early to say. Ethereum is primarily envisioned for the writing of smart contracts while SAFE has the potential to replace the entire internet.

https://forum.safenetwork.io/t/how-does-ethereum-compare-to-maidsafe/456

Storj vs SAFE

The goal of Storj to provide a decentralized solution for users to store data and uses a blockchain-based approach to achieve this. While the storing of data is also a very basic goal for the SAFE Network, its scope is much larger. The SAFE Network is a fully decentralized data and communications platform upon which every existing service of the internet can be built. Furthermore, the SAFE Network will offer advanced features such as distributed computation in time.

https://forum.safenetwork.io/t/how-does-ethereum-compare-to-maidsafe/456

Bitcloud vs SAFE

https://www.reddit.com/r/maidsafe/comments/257vz5/maidsafe_vs_bitcloud/

Tor vs SAFE

Tor is a routing layer that is built on top of the current internet. It works by routing traffic through a relay of nodes, thereby concealing its origin. While Tor can offer anonymity, it comes at the cost of decreased performance. One problem inherent to Tor is that the exit nodes remove the last layer of encryption and therefore are able to read the traffic. Governments can maintain a large number of exit nodes and thereby read some of the traffic. Furthermore, successful attacks on the Tor network have been reported [citation needed]. There is no built-in reward mechanism to incentivize individuals to run nodes, hence their number is still rather small.

The SAFE Network is designed from the ground up to provide strong anonymity by default and does not suffer from any of the weaknesses of the Tor network. Successful attacks on the SAFE Network would require the attacker to gain control over very large percentage of vaults. Even then, the damage an attacker could possibly do is very limited.

https://www.reddit.com/r/maidsafe/comments/2bnbeo/will_maidsafe_be_a_network_with_some_properties/

Bitcoin will most likely remain the #1 cryptoCURRENCY out there with the most potential to reach worldwide mainstream approval at "official" govermental-level sort of type as well, but when it comes to decentralizing everything else... why would you trust anything that isn't Maidsafe? why would you deal with the bloat of a blockchain when Maidsafe uses an anonymous system without blockchain and instant transactions?
Why would you build all of the things that can be done on Maidsafe on top of Bitcoin? or even on top of ETH (maybe beyond some specific stuff...)
I just don't see anything as exciting and huge as Maidsafe right now. Is there anything that Maidsafe cannot do that justify other technologies to be used instead of it?

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[franky1]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

[cellard]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

[franky1]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

read it.
no blocks...

and the data is not decentralised.. its like saying that banks are decentralised because although the data is not on users computers.. there is data on computers managed by different branches of a bank in different towns.. so maidsafe is just a offshoot of cloudhosting under the false pretense of being a linked to bitcoin technology..

if the only thing that you think links maidsafe to bitcoin is cryptography.. then we might aswell say banks are cryptographic money too as their data is also secured using encryption..

encryption is nothing new or special.. but if its not on a blockchain that anyone can be part of.. then its no different to centralized  services that have been around for ages.

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

[TKeenan]

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

The funny thing about Maidsafe is that so many of its advocates don't have a small clue about what it is.  Fucking riot. 

Irvine is a mere swindler.

[ProfessionalGoogler]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

read it.
no blocks...

and the data is not decentralised.. its like saying that banks are decentralised because although the data is not on users computers.. there is data on computers managed by different branches of a bank in different towns.. so maidsafe is just a offshoot of cloudhosting under the false pretense of being a linked to bitcoin technology..

if the only thing that you think links maidsafe to bitcoin is cryptography.. then we might aswell say banks are cryptographic money too as their data is also secured using encryption..

encryption is nothing new or special.. but if its not on a blockchain that anyone can be part of.. then its no different to centralized  services that have been around for ages.

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

I think it is you that doesn't understand maidsafe but please continue this conversation.

One thing is certain - a new internet cutting out ISPs will be the future. Probably a good bit in the future, and probably reliant on things such as if Bitcoin matures enough for people to understand why they should use it.

Both would compliment each other, whether for good or bad.

The strong desire to recreate the internet exists more from individuals than current businesses and governments.

Money. Jobs.

The agreement would have to be -- cutting out massive amounts of jobs is better in the long-run, where these people now need to change/adapt into a new work setting -- an adjustment to the global economy.

Country laws do not matter in a global internet for work. We all employ our self after all..

Which type of work will benefit you and the economy most?

Replacing the need for more humans as if we aren't already populated enough. This is being done and will continue.

Labor jobs will suffer more.

Everyday man invests more trust in machine over man.

[Dire]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

read it.
no blocks...

and the data is not decentralised.. its like saying that banks are decentralised because although the data is not on users computers.. there is data on computers managed by different branches of a bank in different towns.. so maidsafe is just a offshoot of cloudhosting under the false pretense of being a linked to bitcoin technology..

if the only thing that you think links maidsafe to bitcoin is cryptography.. then we might aswell say banks are cryptographic money too as their data is also secured using encryption..

encryption is nothing new or special.. but if its not on a blockchain that anyone can be part of.. then its no different to centralized  services that have been around for ages.

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

I think it is you that doesn't understand maidsafe but please continue this conversation.

?

That's your rebuttal?

It's an interesting conversation. So far, as a person who has never looked into Maidsafe (myself), I can only see that Franky is right. Even the OP has disappeared.

I'm open to being convinced otherwise by a clear explanation of how it works.

[ProfessionalGoogler]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

read it.
no blocks...

and the data is not decentralised.. its like saying that banks are decentralised because although the data is not on users computers.. there is data on computers managed by different branches of a bank in different towns.. so maidsafe is just a offshoot of cloudhosting under the false pretense of being a linked to bitcoin technology..

if the only thing that you think links maidsafe to bitcoin is cryptography.. then we might aswell say banks are cryptographic money too as their data is also secured using encryption..

encryption is nothing new or special.. but if its not on a blockchain that anyone can be part of.. then its no different to centralized  services that have been around for ages.

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

I think it is you that doesn't understand maidsafe but please continue this conversation.

?

That's your rebuttal?

It's an interesting conversation. So far, as a person who has never looked into Maidsafe (myself), I can only see that Franky is right. Even the OP has disappeared.

I'm open to being convinced otherwise by a clear explanation of how it works.

Contacting and inviting maidsafe.net to clarify in this thread.

http://maidsafe.net/farmers

Can we truely have a global internet that cuts out the ISPs and governments?

If you haven't heard about the net neutrality issue -- then this would be what solves the problem once and for all?

Or do we hand over more power to the governments, or the businesses? The fight for more power over the internet is now between all governments, businesses, and individuals.

In the end 2 out of 3 can always be readjusted.

When you create a global support for a global problem, I think nothing is ever going to out weigh us as individuals. In effect, government and businesses must abandon this selfish desire for more power over said individuals.

[dserrano5]

and the data is not decentralised..

From what I've read on SAFE, user data is stored in a decentralised manner because users themselves provide storage, much like Tahoe-LAFS. Due to the inherent unreliability of this design, the network ensures multiple copies of the data exist on the network to minimise the chances of data being lost.

[S4VV4S]

So, from what I gather this project is still not operational, right?
Well, maybe that's the reason people aren't talking about it.
That and maybe the fact that it had an IPO/ICO which they sold 430mil coins (or $6mil at the time).
A lot of people tend to think of IPOs/ICOs as scams and with good reason considering the massacre that goes on in the alt coin forums
True story....

Anybody know when this will be operational?

[vtnerd]

This topic does seems like it should be moved to another sub-forum ...

I don't understand how people isn't talking about this like crazy.

Comparison to other technologies

Difference between Freenet and Maidsafe

https://www.reddit.com/r/maidsafe/comments/273lj2/difference_between_freenet_and_maidsafe/

The SAFE Network differs from many of the organisations and products in the space because it offers the decentralized Internet at the core of it's design. Some of these projects are currently trying to add components that bend them into the shape of a decentralized Internet, but this is not what they were designed for. As a result, many of these projects require significant set up and only work on certain platforms. It is worth noting that MaidSafe, and it's community, supports any project that backs a decentralized Internet, however we don't see any with the same goals as the SAFE Network: Privacy, Security and Freedom for everyone!
Bitcoin vs Safecoin

    David Irvine explains.. "User Defined data" of a SafeCoin can hold a file/directory (no blockchain bloat issues cos SafeCoin confess with its own storage, accessible to everyone, free, all the time - nothing to pre-download as in bitcoin-QT).

Safecoin can be used for anything, such as bets, shares, trades, smart contracts etc." ----> SAFE is bitcoin/Ethereum on steroids!

Safecoin are held differently to immutable data chunks (to be documented):

    "Coins are held as group data and maintained by that group, so not distributed like immutable chunks, but managed more like structured_data_versions." ~ David Irvine

SAFE is more like I2P and Freenet than bitcoin IMO. The first paragraph is largely fluff and non-sense - Freenet wasn't meant to be a decentralized internet? Its goal is to provide a decentralized data storage network! How is that not decentralized internet at the core of its design? And I2P has many of the same goals too. The biggest difference with SAFE is the crypto-currency, and it gets a little murkier from there. Someone would have to dig into all of the projects some more for a detailed response.

Safecoin Differentiators

Safecoin is a secure decentralised currency secured by cryptography and a decentralised network, with similar characteristics, but wholly different technology.

    Secure (safecoin is at least as secure as bitcoin. For example, the famous bitcoin "51% attack", would require at least 75%, and even then have only limited vulnerability.)
    Truly Anonymous (no blockchain--only anonymous IDs are recorded, and only the current and immediately preceding owners' IDs are retained.)
    Massively Scalable (Instant or near-instant transactions, regardless of transaction volume--no blockchain bottleneck.)
    Accessible (Anyone with a computing device can obtain safecoin simply by joining the network and farming by sharing bandwidth and disk space with the network, whereas this was only feasible with bitcoin during the early days and now a small number specialised "miners" earn almost all the bitcoin available. On the SAFE Network, farming capability will remain much more evenly distributed even as the network matures and farming rates decline. See @fergish's post).

These factors have very significant implications for the widespread adoption, application and longevity of safecoin as opposed to other cryptocurrencies which are, in the case of bitcoin and other blockchain based currencies, for example, severely hamstrung by deficiencies in several of the above areas.

SAFE is vastly different from bitcoin. The lack of ledger (history) makes it somewhat more anonymous, although nodes validating the transaction will see the before and after owner. Also any node could "sample" a coin at a high rate with a high likelihood of seeing ownership changes. Since consensus on the SAFE network is on a per-coin basis amongst a smaller group of machines, validation should be quicker than on a blockchain.

However -

The network should be suspectible to "close group" attacks outlined on the mailing list. The problem is that the network is relying on the pre-image resistance of SHA512 for security (its difficult to create a specific hash), but the number space is so large that someone requesting a resource could have difficulties determining if the response messages from the "group" were actually the closest nodes. In this way you don't have to be within the closest group, you just need to be near the closest group, which requires a lower amount of computation. If this attack is possible, someone could "overtake" a coin group (coins require 3 quorum groups), and declare whoever they want as the owner. This attack would create a murky environment where different nodes see different states (byzantine fault).

They also have not implemented any type of distributed consensus algorithm such as Raft or Paxos the last time I checked. It could interesting if someone put in two valid requests from different machines (either for storing data or coin transfers), because the consensus group could see messages in a different sequence. If this occurs, the resource controlled by the group should go into a state of deadlock (byzantine failure) until some members get kicked out or leave, and others enter the group and happen to copy the same state from the remaining set of nodes. Google implements Paxos (I believe), and Amazon does some crash s*** that makes it harder on client developers. Implementing any of these consensus algorithms in a P2P network should be ... interesting.

...[snip]...

Tor vs SAFE


Tor is a routing layer that is built on top of the current internet. It works by routing traffic through a relay of nodes, thereby concealing its origin. While Tor can offer anonymity, it comes at the cost of decreased performance. One problem inherent to Tor is that the exit nodes remove the last layer of encryption and therefore are able to read the traffic. Governments can maintain a large number of exit nodes and thereby read some of the traffic. Furthermore, successful attacks on the Tor network have been reported [citation needed]. There is no built-in reward mechanism to incentivize individuals to run nodes, hence their number is still rather small.
The SAFE Network is designed from the ground up to provide strong anonymity by default and does not suffer from any of the weaknesses of the Tor network. Successful attacks on the SAFE Network would require the attacker to gain control over very large percentage of vaults. Even then, the damage an attacker could possibly do is very limited.

https://www.reddit.com/r/maidsafe/comments/2bnbeo/will_maidsafe_be_a_network_with_some_properties/

This paragraph isn't entirely factual. A tunneled Tor connection can be encrypted itself (i.e. SSL). Theoretically someone with large amount of entry and exit nodes could determine the two endpoints, but thats slightly different than reading the traffic itself. Tor is designed to obfuscate sender and receiver.

I'm not sure what SAFE is doing here (this seemed to be a constantly shifting target), but I know some work was needed over the initial implementation(s). A chunk id request was sent directly to the closest peers, so those nodes could map IP to a chunk id request, which ultimately would map IP <--> file. Either some type of onion routing would need to be setup (so node receiving the chunk request would receive an encrypted blob that another node would have to decrypt), or some bitmessage type hub routing would be required (deliver-to this group of machines, where no one knows who has associated key).

I'll have to see what Freenet does in this situation, maybe I making this too hard ...

Bitcoin will most likely remain the #1 cryptoCURRENCY out there with the most potential to reach worldwide mainstream approval at "official" govermental-level sort of type as well, but when it comes to decentralizing everything else... why would you trust anything that isn't Maidsafe? why would you deal with the bloat of a blockchain when Maidsafe uses an anonymous system without blockchain and instant transactions?
Why would you build all of the things that can be done on Maidsafe on top of Bitcoin? or even on top of ETH (maybe beyond some specific stuff...)
I just don't see anything as exciting and huge as Maidsafe right now. Is there anything that Maidsafe cannot do that justify other technologies to be used instead of it?

Well SAFE has to be proven to work before it starts trouncing any existing technologies. If it works as desired, it obviously has massive advantages.

[...snip...]

Can we truely have a global internet that cuts out the ISPs and governments?

If you haven't heard about the net neutrality issue -- then this would be what solves the problem once and for all?

Or do we hand over more power to the governments, or the businesses? The fight for more power over the internet is now between all governments, businesses, and individuals.

In the end 2 out of 3 can always be readjusted.

When you create a global support for a global problem, I think nothing is ever going to out weigh us as individuals. In effect, government and businesses must abandon this selfish desire for more power over said individuals.

Maidsafe is not intended to "cut out ISPs and governments" - it is a DHT based system, similar to bittorrent, and therefore requires a lower level routing layer. Maidsafe could be combined with a wireless mesh network technology, which would could cut out the ISP entirely. However, it would be the mesh network subverting the ISP, and not Maidsafe directly.

[zeeman]

Hello everybody, I'm volunteering a bit for Maidsafe. I would like to make some points after reading this topic.

Maidsafe is the company/organisation that's creating "Safenet" or "the SAFE Network". It is fully decentralized using no central servers. When you "log on" to the network, you're actually asking for a personal-file. How does that file come to your computer? Well, your username + PIN (and some "salt") will create a hash. And that hash is the address of your personal file. It comes to your client and only you on your computer can decrypt it using your password. In that file is the data-atlas to all your personal files that you stored on Safenet.

All files on the network are "Chunked" and than encrypted using "self-encryption". After that, they're routed over the network. With different layers of encryption (using PKI between nodes) no one has a clue what you're storing in the network. When you request that file again, others will provide you the Chunks and it will come back to you. Again, no central servers.

Safecoins are used to pay people who actually store Chunks on the network in their "Vaults". They get paid after they provide a Chunk to the network. So, Bitcoin has miners, but Safenet will have "Farmers".
Safenet doesn't have a blochchain. Safecoins are more like digital cash. They can be paid to someone within a second. No transaction fees.

Here's the Wiki with a lot of info:

https://safenetwork.wiki/en/Main_Page

And here's the forum where all questions are answered:

https://forum.safenetwork.io

[Meuh6879]

Maid ?

[hardierme]

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

The funny thing about Maidsafe is that so many of its advocates don't have a small clue about what it is.  Fucking riot. 

Irvine is a mere swindler.

I have to say....spot on. You can smell the stupid on that forum... compare that to the level of technical knowledge on ethereum boards for example. Miles and miles away.

Typical Maidsafe forum response to probing/challenging technical questions:

- You just "didn't read the docs"
- If from Irvine/devs -- "we need to focus on code", no time to answer these kinds of questions - toodiloo (and then dude goes off on a lengthy rant a topic later).

Weird bunch.

[ProfessionalGoogler]

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

The funny thing about Maidsafe is that so many of its advocates don't have a small clue about what it is.  Fucking riot.  

Irvine is a mere swindler.

I have to say....spot on. You can smell the stupid on that forum... compare that to the level of technical knowledge on ethereum boards for example. Miles and miles away.

Typical Maidsafe forum response to probing/challenging technical questions:

- You just "didn't read the docs"
- If from Irvine/devs -- "we need to focus on code", no time to answer these kinds of questions - toodiloo (and then dude goes off on a lengthy rant a topic later).

Weird bunch.

Then respond instead of being a hypocrite if you think you know best? What about the response above?

[zeeman]

Typical Maidsafe forum response to probing/challenging technical questions:

- You just "didn't read the docs"
- If from Irvine/devs -- "we need to focus on code", no time to answer these kinds of questions - toodiloo (and then dude goes off on a lengthy rant a topic later).

Weird bunch.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but I really have a different experience. If you look at the Beginners topic on the forum, you'll see a lot of questions answered by David himself. Example nr. 1, example nr. 2 and example nr. 3. So even while most Devs (and especially David) are making over 12 hours a day while coding, they still answer questions on the forum. Most of the time some others will do before them. But if you come in asking e.g. "Where are the servers in Maidsafe" or something like that, without reading any wiki, people are not that likely to write a big reply. They'll just forward you to the wiki or other topics where the answers can be found. On the other hand, if you have a technical question after reading in to the system, those will be answered as well. Here's an example where questions are asked about "Unified Structured Data" and again, David jumps in to explain the thing in Lehman terms.

Maid ?

It stands for Massive Array of Internet Disks. SAFE means, Secure Access For Everyone. Here's a video explaining the project: Maidsafe Technology Overview



  

[Dire]

...

This attack would create a murky environment where different nodes see different states (byzantine fault).

...

Thanks for that in-depth explanation. The MAID lost me at 'byzantine fault', and then I ran off with storj.

It's back to the Bitcoin show for me.

[fingertoe11]

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it

Okay so what exactly is not centralized?  The transaction managers?  The vault managers?   You could be a bit more specific if you really know what you are talking about.   

What exactly do these MaidSAFE servers do?   Who runs them? where are they?  MaidSAFE has servers now that serve their web pages and marketing material, but they have nothing to do with the code..  The code is on GitHub, and all of the services the network provides will be on the network by the consensus of clusters of peer to peer nodes.  There are no central servers.

I have downloaded, reviewed and run much of the code, and I think you have no clue what you are talking about?

The code works in test.  it is not ready for release yet. There are lots of things left to improve and enhanced, and peer to peer software is very difficult to upgrade once it is in the wild -- You need consensus to make any protocol changes, and that is hard to get.   They say 1-3 weeks before a developer pack is ready..  Knowing the process, I translate that to within 90 days.  But you can download and see the progress every day.  Anyone who claims this is Vaporware is ignorant of the truth and is just making stuff up because it is plausible. 

[Denker]

Here is Bitcoin discussion and not any altcoin. Hope this thread gets moved to the right section.
Really why this thread with that headline got opened here???

[fingertoe11]

Here is Bitcoin discussion and not any altcoin. Hope this thread gets moved to the right section.
Really why this thread with that headline got opened here???

MaidSAFE isn't an altcoin really.  It does contain an altcoin.   But it is mostly a new internet and a new Cloud platform that will change everything.

Currently Storing private keys is one of the biggest issues with Bitcoin.   MaidSAFE will provide a nearly HackProof solution to that.   MaidSAFE will also provide a very efficient method to store the blockchain.   

MaidSAFE, if it comes to fruition will change everything  -- Including Bitcoin -- And for the better.