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August 08, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
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Moscow’s Veto of MH17 Tribunal: A Blunder of Potentially Huge Proportions

On July 29, Russia vetoed a draft UN resolution seeking to set up a tribunal to prosecute those responsible for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines jumbo jet more than a year ago.

By exercising its Security Council veto against the resolution, Moscow has lost control of the process, committing a possible error that may ultimately lead to convictions of rebel leaders and Russian officials—and a new round of sanctions against the Kremlin. This appears to be a massive strategic misstep, which the West may exploit.

The jet, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, fell out of the sky July 14, 2014, while flying over separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine. The West as well as Kyiv blames the tragedy—which killed all 298 passengers and crew on board—on Russian-backed rebels using a Russian-supplied BUK M1 (SA-11 Gadfly) missile.

Yet Moscow continues to deny the obvious. In opposing last week's UN resolution, the Kremlin argued that no precedent exists for such a tribunal, citing at least three cases in which civilian aircraft were brought down by Soviet, Israeli and US troops in the 1970s and 1980s. However, in all three instances, the countries involved admitted responsibility, and Israel and the US paid reparations. If Russia had quickly admitted fault, it's unlikely the matter would have escalated to the Security Council. But its initial response was to deny involvement while stonewalling repeated attempts to gather more information. Under continued pressure, Russia claims it would agree to an international probe, but it persists in obfuscating the facts.

The world needs a thorough, unimpeded investigation to establish exactly what happened, and a tribunal to apportion blame, impose sanctions, and possibly award compensation, though this last may require additional civil courts. Five countries—Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, Netherlands and Ukraine—have asked the UN to appoint a tribunal under Article 7 of the UN Charter. The Security Council vote shows how isolated Moscow has become one year after the MH17 disaster. Of the council's fifteen members, eleven voted in favor, while the three countries that abstained—Angola, China and Venezuela—usually stand behind Russia on international matters.

"No veto will stand in the way of this heinous crime being investigated and prosecuted," Samantha Power, US Ambassador to the UN, told the Security Council. But in the wake of Russia's veto, the issue will now likely be remanded to the UN General Assembly—and this is where Moscow may have blundered. The General Assembly is not the Russia-friendly forum it once was. Russia has lost the support of a number of developing countries, including the Sunni Muslim emirates of the Persian Gulf, which have not forgiven the Kremlin for supporting either the Assad regime in Syria, or the Shi'ite theocracy that rules Iran.

Why, then, did Russia cast its veto? Certainly it wasn't just about defending separatist Ukrainian rebels. A reluctance to give up sovereign rights and jurisdiction to an international body such as the UN may have driven the decision. But the Kremlin may also worry that the tribunal's work could point to higher-ups in the Russian military or even in Russia's political structure. In addition, Moscow fears that the tribunal's work could drag conclusive proof of close ties between Russia and Ukrainian separatist groups into the public sphere. And finally, the threat of economic or transport sanctions continually hangs over Russia. Hence, the nyet.

If in fact the General Assembly can't muster the two-thirds vote it needs to override the Russian veto, the five aggrieved nations that sought the tribunal in the first place may attempt to carry on through their own domestic, national courts. Alternatively, the UN might let those five countries form a joint tribunal. Procedural machinations aside, the Russian veto begs a further question: It appears Moscow exercised its veto purely for its own interests, in order to block the investigation and impede justice. Even if this veto was legal, was it moral? Should a country not recognize that it has a larger moral duty in an international tribunal, even when it goes against the country's narrow national interest?

At any rate, the UN does have the legal ability to continue its investigation without Russia's permission. One thing is certain: If the UN invokes Article 7, all member states will be obligated to fully cooperate, leading to the possible imposition of sanctions.

The Dutch Safety Board will issue its final report on MH17 in October, increasing the chances that the General Assembly will move to establish a tribunal. But whatever path the UN chooses, it is clear that Russia has lost its ability to influence events. Last week's veto marks a watershed in how Russia views the UN. The double standard is obvious: after two decades of blasting Washington for bypassing that world body—on Iraq and other issues—it seems Moscow has now lost faith in the UN's ability to remain impartial.

Since MH17's downing, Russia has blamed everyone but itself for the tragedy. Thanks to the Kremlin's extensive propaganda blitz, a Levada Center poll found last month that 44 percent of Russians hold the Ukrainians responsible, while 17 percent say that the US is to blame, and a mere 2 percent consider Russia the culprit. However, last week's Security Council vote strongly suggests that the rest of the world views the shootdown very differently, and by rejecting the formation of a tribunal, Russia may have set the stage for an even more embarrassing, and potentially damaging, General Assembly vote—as well as other legal steps it might later regret.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/moscow-s-veto-of-mh17-tribunal-a-blunder-of-potentially-huge-proportions


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August 08, 2015, 02:27:03 PM
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Meet The Pilot Who Shot Down Malaysian Boeing MH-17 - Vladislav Voloshin: "The Plane Was In the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time"


In the “case of Malaysian Boeing” a “secret witness” stepped forward whose testimony remove all charges from the militia and Russia — and explains the mysterious behavior of Western experts.




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August 08, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
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This is Fake. Plane MH17 was shot down by Buk anti air missle.

There is Almaz-Antei corp investigation:

http://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2015/06/150602_almaz_antei_buk_mh17

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August 08, 2015, 03:05:14 PM
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Thanks for that cryptocoiner

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Concern "Almaz - Antey", a developer of anti-aircraft systems "Buk", says Malaysian "Boeing", who was killed in July 2014 near Donetsk, was shot down by a missile 9M38M1 released from the complex "Buk-M1". Representatives of the group tried to hint that the missile could be launched Ukrainian air defense.

Was he hinting that Ukranian forces shot the plane down?

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August 08, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
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Thanks for that cryptocoiner

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Concern "Almaz - Antey", a developer of anti-aircraft systems "Buk", says Malaysian "Boeing", who was killed in July 2014 near Donetsk, was shot down by a missile 9M38M1 released from the complex "Buk-M1". Representatives of the group tried to hint that the missile could be launched Ukrainian air defense.

Was he hinting that Ukranian forces shot the plane down?

Yes...even title says '...MH17 hit by 'buk,' but not by DNR (Donetsk People's Republic who is backed by Russia).
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August 08, 2015, 03:49:08 PM
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1. There was no Ukrainian 'buk' complexes anywhere near the place of the shot down.
2. In order to operate accurately 'buk' requires more than 1 part to function.
3. It requires a team of highly skilled personnel to launch it.

Seeing how Russia's primordial attempt to blame it on Ukrainian military plane (which can't even reach the flight required to shoot) with badly photoshoped pictures on national television failed, they keep on spewing other 'credible' stories about Israeli's missiles etc-etc. Don't you think that if Russia had a damning evidence of the fact the Ukraine did it, they'd stuck it to everyone's face already?


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August 08, 2015, 06:08:54 PM
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Don't you think that if Russia had a damning evidence of the fact the Ukraine did it, they'd stuck it to everyone's face already?



Either way - the U.S. has enough intelligence and spy satellite to know who shot it, and where the launchers came from.  So whatever country is behind it, I'm sure is paying a hefty blackmail fee to the Americans!


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August 09, 2015, 11:46:44 AM
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Either way - the U.S. has enough intelligence and spy satellite to know who shot it, and where the launchers came from.  So whatever country is behind it, I'm sure is paying a hefty blackmail fee to the Americans!

Everyone know who did it, and no one is divulging the name. Even the Malaysians have classified their investigation files, and have made them inaccessible to the mainstream media. Now Malaysia is not a country which can be bullied by Russia. But they can be blackmailed by the Americans. If Russia is behind the incident, then why can't the Americans and the Malaysians release the satellite data and the investigation files?
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August 09, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
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Either way - the U.S. has enough intelligence and spy satellite to know who shot it, and where the launchers came from.  So whatever country is behind it, I'm sure is paying a hefty blackmail fee to the Americans!

Everyone know who did it, and no one is divulging the name. Even the Malaysians have classified their investigation files, and have made them inaccessible to the mainstream media. Now Malaysia is not a country which can be bullied by Russia. But they can be blackmailed by the Americans. If Russia is behind the incident, then why can't the Americans and the Malaysians release the satellite data and the investigation files?

If Russia was responsible don't you think the USA would have presented the evidence instead of the lies it told in the first place.
And the western media outlets (pricks) all jumped the gun also with no supportive evidence.

USA is looking to frame the Russians, when in fact most investigators have been told to shut up.
Otherwise it would have been outed by now who did it.

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August 09, 2015, 09:59:25 PM
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They need to start with who diverted the aircraft into a war zone and why, If a child is sent to play in traffic do you look to hold the driver who knocks it over accountable or the minder who sent it there? 

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Either way - the U.S. has enough intelligence and spy satellite to know who shot it, and where the launchers came from.  So whatever country is behind it, I'm sure is paying a hefty blackmail fee to the Americans!

Everyone know who did it, and no one is divulging the name. Even the Malaysians have classified their investigation files, and have made them inaccessible to the mainstream media. Now Malaysia is not a country which can be bullied by Russia. But they can be blackmailed by the Americans. If Russia is behind the incident, then why can't the Americans and the Malaysians release the satellite data and the investigation files?

If Russia was responsible don't you think the USA would have presented the evidence instead of the lies it told in the first place.
And the western media outlets (pricks) all jumped the gun also with no supportive evidence.

USA is looking to frame the Russians, when in fact most investigators have been told to shut up.
Otherwise it would have been outed by now who did it.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/russian-tv-airs-clearly-fake-image-to-claim-ukraine-shot-dow#.gdnA0Jnoz

This shitty RT propaganda with fake picture ?? LoL ... 90% of RT is Pro-Russian stupid propaganda ... always EU is bad, Nato is bad ..

RT -> Russia has the most advanced army, ... finally ... has the biggest Dick LoL

Yes but show us, where USA printed Fake picture with Fake and stupid ghost Plane ??

Why russian propaganda played this game ? Seems Russia have proof since the start ??

You forget just 1 thing, DNR 5 minutes after the shoot of the plane, released Tweet that they busted a "Ukraina war plane" ... but when people get on place ... they saw that finally it was a domestic plane and crash loaded with bodies ... what they do ? Open all and collect and steal ...

You explain us that Video is fake too ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K70igRdKVhA

Hoo and explain us simply one thin ... why Ukraina army had any missile Ground - Air ... as DNR never get any plane ?? LoL
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August 10, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
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Those are Ukrainian accents I hear, no mistake here listen carefully, Ukranians always drop a G with H when speaking, you can clearly hear this... listen and tell me I am wrong.
linguistics is one of my specialities.

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August 11, 2015, 09:28:49 PM
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Investigation into possible Buk-missile-parts , not determined who done it yet

Although western media is still going with the blame game.

In cooperation with the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) investigates several parts, possibly originating from a Buk surface-air-missilesystem. These parts have been secured during a previous recovery-mission in Eastern-Ukraine and are in possession of the criminal investigation team MH17 and the DSB.

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August 15, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
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If a child is sent to play in traffic do you look to hold the driver who knocks it over accountable or the minder who sent it there? 

You launch a massive disinformation campaign against traffic lights - who really controls them? Do traffic cameras track you while driving, so you get hit with a red light at every intersection? Pedestrian timers take forever! Why not abolish the draconian red yellow green for roundabouts?

Where'd that kid go?  Wink
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