Is Bitcointalk a place of free and open discussion?

[colinistheman]

I wonder sometimes

[pedrog]

He is doing a shitty job then:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/search?q=bitcoin+xt&restrict_sr=on

[OgNasty]

Aren't all altcoin posts usually deleted when they aren't posted in the appropriate place?

[Cubic Earth]

I don't think it makes sense to call Bitcoin XT an alt-coin anymore than it does the current version of Bitcoin Core, which has hard-forked several times since it was introduced.  Furthermore, Bitcoin Core will only fork away from Bitcoin XT when XT has 75% of the hash power behind it.

[dserrano5]

Furthermore, Bitcoin Core will only fork away from Bitcoin XT when XT has 75% of the hash power behind it.

The very second a >1Mb block is created by XT, we'll have two different chains. That's a fork in my book.

[iGotSpots]

Furthermore, Bitcoin Core will only fork away from Bitcoin XT when XT has 75% of the hash power behind it.

The very second a >1Mb block is created by XT, we'll have two different chains. That's a fork in my book.

In anyone's book. As soon as the second prong begins, it's completely different network

[smiletyson]

Furthermore, Bitcoin Core will only fork away from Bitcoin XT when XT has 75% of the hash power behind it.

The very second a >1Mb block is created by XT, we'll have two different chains. That's a fork in my book.

We'll have 2 different chains how?
Let's imagine the scenario:
%5 of the miners are mining on XT, and %95 of it mines on Core.
XT miners finds a block and adds it into their chain (let's say it's chain A)
Core miners reject that block and finds another one (let's say it's chain B).
How will chain A proceed? Core miners will never give a damn f* about chain A, so There's only 5% of the network mines for it (imagine the difficulty).
 Chain B will proceed because it still has 95% of the mining power.

Anyway, if majority of the HR doesn't switch into XT, it'll be fine for Core & Core miners.

[Cubic Earth]

Furthermore, Bitcoin Core will only fork away from Bitcoin XT when XT has 75% of the hash power behind it.

The very second a >1Mb block is created by XT, we'll have two different chains. That's a fork in my book.

Yes, I agree.  But any block greater than 1Mb would be rejected until XT had 75% hash-power support... a fork is only meaningful to people if there is some appreciable percentage of hash power behind it.

[OgNasty]

I pity the fool that accepts BTC using the Bitcoin XT client (post fork)...

[Cubic Earth]

I pity the fool that accepts BTC using the Bitcoin XT client (post fork)...

After the fork coins would be stuck on their respective chains.  I do look forward to the watching the Core/XT exchange rate.  Tell me OgNasty... would you sell all of you XT coins for Core coins at a 1:1 ratio?

[Spjuth]

It's still possible to find the deleted post by googling.
Here is the censored post about XT binaries.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gc742/bitcoinxt_test_binaries_available/

[coinableS]

Is this only on XT's testnet or will we be seeing a forked XT chain soon? If so seems like an unorganized and sloppy way to release it.

[Spjuth]

Is this only on XT's testnet or will we be seeing a forked XT chain soon? If so seems like an unorganized and sloppy way to release it.

XT will not fork the blockchain until a supermajority (75%) of the miners is running XT. So running XT now is no difference to running Core.

[RoadTrain]

I think theymos has given a very good explanation, don't think there's anything worth discussing.

[kevindurant]

What if majority of miners choose Bitcoin XT? What will we do then? My technical knowledge is limited. What else is different other than block size in XT?

[Brad Harrison]

So is Bitcoin XT a completely new code of coin or just a fork for bitcoin?

[achow101]

Well those posts should be considered off topic depending on where they are posted.
 
Think about it this way, bitcoin is defined by the reference implementation which is currently Bitcoin Core. And discussion of Bitcoin should follow the reference implementation and any proposed changes to it. Thus discussion of the hard fork is allowed. Bitcoin XT on the other hand is neither the reference implementation (so not strictly bitcoin as defined by the reference implementation) and is an alternative client which does not belong in Bitcoin Discussion. Therefore theymos is in the right to move or delete posts about XT if they aren't in the right section. Discussion about the client itself should be in the Alternative Client section while discussion about its protocol might be considered as altcoin discussion. However discussion about how the protocol should be changed on bitcoin that also references xt should be allowed to stay in Bitcoin Discussion or Dev and Tech discussing.

[oblivi]

Aren't all altcoin posts usually deleted when they aren't posted in the appropriate place?

What constitutes an altcoin? I think this is obviously more than an altcoin.. the future of Bitcoin itself is on the line. People are going to reach XT one way or another. Im not entirely sure if moving posts from the main board is appropiate.

So is Bitcoin XT a completely new code of coin or just a fork for bitcoin?

It's a fork.

[Brad Harrison]

Well the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting, think about all the Chinese miners if they switch and mine bitcoin XT, bitcoin blockchain will not move for days

[AgentofCoin]

Well those posts should be considered off topic depending on where they are posted.
 
Think about it this way, bitcoin is defined by the reference implementation which is currently Bitcoin Core. And discussion of Bitcoin should follow the reference implementation and any proposed changes to it. Thus discussion of the hard fork is allowed. Bitcoin XT on the other hand is neither the reference implementation (so not strictly bitcoin as defined by the reference implementation) and is an alternative client which does not belong in Bitcoin Discussion. Therefore theymos is in the right to move or delete posts about XT if they aren't in the right section. Discussion about the client itself should be in the Alternative Client section while discussion about its protocol might be considered as altcoin discussion. However discussion about how the protocol should be changed on bitcoin that also references xt should be allowed to stay in Bitcoin Discussion or Dev and Tech discussing.

I have a question:
In a purely hypothetical situation, let imagine majority of the Devs have decided to raise the 21 million bitcoin cap to a 42 million cap.
And as so, they all in agreement decide to change the bitcoin protocol and etc and cause a hard fork to enable the new 42 million coin cap.
Now since almost all have agreed and proceeded, the community will most likely have to follow, in theory.

Now in that purely hypothetical situation, Bitcoin Core is no longer actually Bitcoin Core, but Bitcoin Core Version 2.
Would you say that any discussion by the Devs in this forum (which doesn't actually happen usually) about the above situation
be considered "not strictly bitcoin" and "off topic" since it is technically Bitcoin Core Version 2, and thus should not be allowed in this forum, before the hardfork?