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One modern response to hyperinflation has been to go out and buy cars, as they hold their value better than the currency.
If their government will print larger denominations, then the bulk of cash needed is reduced. The last hyperinflation I saw in Peru had a bank note of 5,000,000 intis worth some $3.00 at that time (late 1980s IIRC). As hyperinflation continued, they went back to the sol ("New Sol"), their currency has been stable since.
Ahh okay thanks. So like the Trillion dollar bill in Zimbabwe, Venezuela has larger denomination bills? I guess by the photo provided I thought they didn't have larger bills available. No, they have only small bills.
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Well purchasing power aside I guess the other view is that people are also hoarding a heck of a lot of food to feed the black-market or I guess to starve the community stores. Instead of waiting in the line to get cheap food. http://lainfo.es/en/2015/08/16/venezuela-found-tons-of-food-hidden-underground/http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_71293.shtmlThe Bolivarian National Guard (GNB) seized 50 tons of food in the San Juan west of Maracaibo (Zulia state), called bachaqueros buried dozens of sacks of sugar in the courtyard of a house in the sector. In other homes, sacks of rice, coffee, pasta, beer, soda, detergent, toothpaste, and chlorine were seized, among others. ...
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One modern response to hyperinflation has been to go out and buy cars, as they hold their value better than the currency.
If their government will print larger denominations, then the bulk of cash needed is reduced. The last hyperinflation I saw in Peru had a bank note of 5,000,000 intis worth some $3.00 at that time (late 1980s IIRC). As hyperinflation continued, they went back to the sol ("New Sol"), their currency has been stable since.
Ahh okay thanks. So like the Trillion dollar bill in Zimbabwe, Venezuela has larger denomination bills? I guess by the photo provided I thought they didn't have larger bills available. No, they have only small bills. Na those are small bills they go up to 100 according to wiki the image uses 2 Bolivar Banknotes although they were valued higher historically with the Pre-1998 stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_bol%C3%ADvar2008 Series Banknotes are in denominations of 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100 bolívares.
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August 17, 2015, 06:41:29 PM |
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If one wanted to purchase Bolivares at the black market exchange rate, does anyone know where one might do this or is there anyone with connections in Venezuela who could ship stacks of these to America?
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August 18, 2015, 06:33:45 AM |
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I asked a colleague of mine from Venezuela. How is it back home, are the old folks safe? He did not say yes. On the problem of sending money (I don't know the economic situation of his parents, but with borderline hyperinflation a salary can become worthless quickly), he told me he could send money via the bank, it would take a week, there was danger of being robbed (that is what he said, maybe some clerk just confiscating the money for himself), and he would not get the full blue rate (I think he gets the Simadi rate, which is about 1/4 of what he should have got).
I introduced him to localbitcoins, he got an account loaded with some coins. He has a bank account inside the country accessible over the internet, and there are lots of traders in the country, giving a rate slightly worse than the blue rate. After that, he can transfer the bolivars to his relatives' account. After a few days I asked, but he hadn't tried it. He will wait until the a need arises, to avoid some of the inflation. I look forward to hearing of his experience. Anyway I could not wait to write this...
really did not have knowledge about such shitty situations taking place there, can't really imagine what a corrupt fuckhead that clerk is, and he pockets good money from the bank as well as robbing off the clients. If it wasn't for digital currency, this situation might have been really sucky. Glad to read a live example of how digitization making lives better in places where infrastructure is often questioned.
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August 18, 2015, 12:23:05 PM |
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I asked a colleague of mine from Venezuela. How is it back home, are the old folks safe? He did not say yes. On the problem of sending money (I don't know the economic situation of his parents, but with borderline hyperinflation a salary can become worthless quickly), he told me he could send money via the bank, it would take a week, there was danger of being robbed (that is what he said, maybe some clerk just confiscating the money for himself), and he would not get the full blue rate (I think he gets the Simadi rate, which is about 1/4 of what he should have got).
I introduced him to localbitcoins, he got an account loaded with some coins. He has a bank account inside the country accessible over the internet, and there are lots of traders in the country, giving a rate slightly worse than the blue rate. After that, he can transfer the bolivars to his relatives' account. After a few days I asked, but he hadn't tried it. He will wait until the a need arises, to avoid some of the inflation. I look forward to hearing of his experience. Anyway I could not wait to write this...
You might want to advise him to use bitcoin only with a secondary throw away bank account. You don't want to be responsible when the bank is closing his account because they think bitcoin is too risky or they fear money laundering. The trouble to move all payment streams to another bank account is enourmous.
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August 18, 2015, 12:26:06 PM |
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good step for crypto currency. Venezuela has initiated it. seems bitcoin first developed in America Latin
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August 18, 2015, 12:38:17 PM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
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August 18, 2015, 01:00:15 PM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
Um, you sure? I think it would be a better idea to calculate pros and cons on a macro level and identify what could go wrong and if it is really sensible. Investing in real estate is smart, only if you are fully satisfied with all aspects which makes it affordable.
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
Um, you sure? I think it would be a better idea to calculate pros and cons on a macro level and identify what could go wrong and if it is really sensible. Investing in real estate is smart, only if you are fully satisfied with all aspects which makes it affordable. I have to agree with HarHarHar... Venezuela used to be "almost a nice place" (it had always had more crime and poverty than most outsiders knew). Argentina has its problems too (though it is slightly better than, say, 2 years ago). It seems that the places where BTC is having success are places with serious problems. Find a way to travel to Venezuela, bring enough BTC to pay for your trip, but you should consider LIVING ELSEWHERE.
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August 18, 2015, 10:45:09 PM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
Um, you sure? I think it would be a better idea to calculate pros and cons on a macro level and identify what could go wrong and if it is really sensible. Investing in real estate is smart, only if you are fully satisfied with all aspects which makes it affordable. I say its only worth your time if you feel like their economy can fight the uphill battle. I dont read the future, but theres no need to rush into real estate if I get the sense people are fighting someone over a can of sardines. Although maybe improved situations and knowing certain information would be a plus.
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August 19, 2015, 01:05:08 AM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
If u want to move to a cheap country and live like a king, you should go to Philippines, its fun and girls are hot, 40 peso or 1$ and u can eat all rice u want on a restaurant, and u can live with less than 1000$ a month, retirement visa for over 35 years old its only 10.000 and u can use that money to buy real estate. I been there a few times, and I'm planning to move there soon. But Venezuela its unsafe, I will not thinking going there soon, people its so desperate for food, if u go with a few dollars or you live better than the locals you will be a target for crime.
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August 19, 2015, 03:31:16 AM |
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Venezuela is heaven for those who get paid in Dollars$$, the main negative aspect of living here is crime and assassination rates.
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HarHarHar9965
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August 19, 2015, 06:24:30 AM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
Um, you sure? I think it would be a better idea to calculate pros and cons on a macro level and identify what could go wrong and if it is really sensible. Investing in real estate is smart, only if you are fully satisfied with all aspects which makes it affordable. I have to agree with HarHarHar... Venezuela used to be "almost a nice place" (it had always had more crime and poverty than most outsiders knew). Argentina has its problems too (though it is slightly better than, say, 2 years ago). It seems that the places where BTC is having success are places with serious problems. Find a way to travel to Venezuela, bring enough BTC to pay for your trip, but you should consider LIVING ELSEWHERE. yeah, I believe that you should live at a place which suits the best climatic conditions and isn't a hazard to your health, it has schools and recreational parks around with friendly neighbors. Live in a community where people respect each other, but of course you might not get all the qualities you want so you might have to settle sometimes.
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Straux
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August 19, 2015, 06:40:08 AM |
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Never knew that the currency in Venezuela was so inflated. Better invest in bitcoins
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August 19, 2015, 06:41:56 AM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
Um, you sure? I think it would be a better idea to calculate pros and cons on a macro level and identify what could go wrong and if it is really sensible. Investing in real estate is smart, only if you are fully satisfied with all aspects which makes it affordable. I say its only worth your time if you feel like their economy can fight the uphill battle. I dont read the future, but theres no need to rush into real estate if I get the sense people are fighting someone over a can of sardines. Although maybe improved situations and knowing certain information would be a plus. Wait for a nationalization, then make sure that your on the side of the government when your assets are invested and they start looking for capital, or perhaps have a local manage your real estate if you don't wish to live there.
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August 19, 2015, 07:32:58 PM |
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wow,their currencly really really sucks,if i was on their place i would seriously need to change something there! thats just a big pile of money
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HarHarHar9965
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August 20, 2015, 07:59:40 AM |
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wow,their currencly really really sucks,if i was on their place i would seriously need to change something there! thats just a big pile of money
The value is low, why does the value a paper hold matter to you, man? I think all fiat suck, and I am being as kind as I can. The value is set only according to what needs be, you should go visit the place and experience that lifestyle People need to understand that paper does not matter, at all, the value it holds does matter. So if you come up with a 100$ note and a Venezuela citizen brings huge pile of money, it will all be the same thing.
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August 20, 2015, 12:06:05 PM |
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If the conditions persists to be stagnant , i will move to Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Argentina. I had embraced BTC over 2 years back and i have some sufficient amount. Please keep updating this thread as it invokes light in me.
If u want to move to a cheap country and live like a king, you should go to Philippines, its fun and girls are hot, 40 peso or 1$ and u can eat all rice u want on a restaurant, and u can live with less than 1000$ a month, retirement visa for over 35 years old its only 10.000 and u can use that money to buy real estate. I been there a few times, and I'm planning to move there soon. But Venezuela its unsafe, I will not thinking going there soon, people its so desperate for food, if u go with a few dollars or you live better than the locals you will be a target for crime. All those countries sound good on paper but I don't think anyone would like to live over there coming from a first world country. What's the point of living in a cheap place if the place feels like you might get robed anytime soon and you know no one.
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August 20, 2015, 01:39:15 PM |
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damn thats alot of paper money thats some mega inflation right there lmao hope it won't happen to my country but good thing they embraced BTC
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August 20, 2015, 02:05:55 PM |
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Anyone live there and want to sell these bills and make some money? I am willing to pay over the black market exchange rate for a couple stacks of these bills if someone is willing to pack them up and ship them to the U.S.
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