Double spend with zero confirmations has been solved.

[rnicoll]

Apologies to harp on this thread, but it would be sneaky if I added this as an edit to a prior post.

Zerotime is a very significant claim. When you make bold claims that have the potential to seriously challenge Bitcoin, you will be held to a higher standard of scholarly proof.

On a related note, I'd love to see some of these whitepapers actually submitted to an academic journal for peer review.

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

Be careful you're not reinventing the Lightning network, which seems the logical conclusion for what a "fixed" version of ZeroTime would look like.

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[TPTB_need_war]

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

Be careful you're not reinventing the Lightning network, which seems the logical conclusion for what a "fixed" version of ZeroTime would look like.

Afair, Lightning network enables channels for sending repetitive transactions to same parties. There is no such restriction in what I am formulating. But again I caution that until I write it all down, I won't satisfy myself that I haven't missed some key detail. Details matter much.

[nextgencoin]

Apologies to harp on this thread, but it would be sneaky if I added this as an edit to a prior post.

Zerotime is a very significant claim. When you make bold claims that have the potential to seriously challenge Bitcoin, you will be held to a higher standard of scholarly proof.

Indeed the necessary proofs can be explained with math, computer science, and networking research.

Einstein said you don't really know something until you can explain it to a n00b.

The only ways I know of to squelch DoS and Sybil attacks are:

• Participant expends resources.
• Participant must have a reputation.
• Participant performance can be measured.

I already stated that I don't know how to do #3 for his proposed lock protocol, because there is no verified correct vote on a lock. Disagreement isn't a verified crime in this protocol.

I already stated that I don't know how to do #1 for his protocol, because transaction fees can't be taken in the lock stalemate case where Sybil attack applies. Others suggested burning resources (I assume the voting nodes) and I responded saying which nodes would participate in voting if they must burn resources? If instead you require every transaction to burn or include a proof-of-work hash or fee, then the innocent spender is penalized by any lock stalemate.

So that leaves us with reputation. But again how do we measure performance in order to assign reputation? And then there are other problems with reputation.

There is a reason that solving the Byzantine Generals Problem remained unsolved until Satoshi invented proof-of-work. The problem is essentially that there is no reference point, because either value is correct and incorrect at the same time (e.g. lock or not lock) because we can't prove the network is reliable.

It is as if John isn't aware of how significant Satoshi's accomplishment was. Or somehow John thinks he has a clever improvement, but hasn't yet proven it to us.

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

Prove everyone you really aren't scared of Johns Knowledge compared to yours and go on irc, cut and paste this post and the come back and give us his answer. Otherwise you are simply wasting everyone's time..

All that effort to post this, it will take a second to go there and ask....Bulshit is called until you do.

[Fuserleer]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities.  

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

[traumschiff]

Apologies to harp on this thread, but it would be sneaky if I added this as an edit to a prior post.

Zerotime is a very significant claim. When you make bold claims that have the potential to seriously challenge Bitcoin, you will be held to a higher standard of scholarly proof.

Indeed the necessary proofs can be explained with math, computer science, and networking research.

Einstein said you don't really know something until you can explain it to a n00b.

The only ways I know of to squelch DoS and Sybil attacks are:

• Participant expends resources.
• Participant must have a reputation.
• Participant performance can be measured.

I already stated that I don't know how to do #3 for his proposed lock protocol, because there is no verified correct vote on a lock. Disagreement isn't a verified crime in this protocol.

I already stated that I don't know how to do #1 for his protocol, because transaction fees can't be taken in the lock stalemate case where Sybil attack applies. Others suggested burning resources (I assume the voting nodes) and I responded saying which nodes would participate in voting if they must burn resources? If instead you require every transaction to burn or include a proof-of-work hash or fee, then the innocent spender is penalized by any lock stalemate.

So that leaves us with reputation. But again how do we measure performance in order to assign reputation? And then there are other problems with reputation.

There is a reason that solving the Byzantine Generals Problem remained unsolved until Satoshi invented proof-of-work. The problem is essentially that there is no reference point, because either value is correct and incorrect at the same time (e.g. lock or not lock) because we can't prove the network is reliable.

It is as if John isn't aware of how significant Satoshi's accomplishment was. Or somehow John thinks he has a clever improvement, but hasn't yet proven it to us.

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

Prove everyone you really aren't scared of Johns Knowledge compared to yours and go on irc, cut and paste this post and the come back and give us his answer. Otherwise you are simply wasting everyone's time..

All that effort to post this, it will take a second to go there and ask....Bulshit is called until you do.

Have to agree with this.

You are attacking John's solution while you are 100% sure that he won't post here. Debate him on IRC, in a live manner (this forum isn't suited for a debate) and we can post the irc logs on pastebin.

[monsterer]

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

I'd like to hear your idea in advance of your paper if you're willing to discuss it?

[nextgencoin]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities.  

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

[Este Nuno]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities. 

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

If he absolutely doesn't want to post here, why don't you ask him to write up a response and post it here on his behalf? You realize that all these people criticizing aren't just some random newbies but people who are all very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency in general and have been involved in it for many years now, right?

[nextgencoin]

And in any case I hope someone steps up to the plate to take on John Conner instead of weak accusations here. This could be a pay-per-view fight!  everyone wants to see this.lol

[nextgencoin]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities. 

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

If he absolutely doesn't want to post here, why don't you ask him to write up a response and post it here on his behalf? You realize that all these people criticizing aren't just some random newbies but people who are all very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency in general and have been involved in it for many years now, right?

This needs a debate, otherwise we will be bouncing around on this forever. And the only ones who can debate are the ones who 'think' they know the problems with zero time...

[Este Nuno]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities. 

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

If he absolutely doesn't want to post here, why don't you ask him to write up a response and post it here on his behalf? You realize that all these people criticizing aren't just some random newbies but people who are all very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency in general and have been involved in it for many years now, right?

This needs a debate, otherwise we will be bouncing around on this forever. And the only ones who can debate are the ones who 'think' they know the problems with zero time...

This is almost the perfect forum for a debate though. IRC not so much imo. Is there any particular reason he won't post here? I'd really like to her his responses personally.

[nextgencoin]

I asked tha very question a few days ago. He simply is tired of FUD and thinks it won't ever stop and that BTT has become a cesspool of FUD etc......plus last accusations was responded to, accusers ignorance was highlighted and still no one stopped.


Something you all forget is he doesn't need to defend his product if he believes it to be safe and awesome. it's actually the accuser than must direct their accusations directly....ie JC couldn't give a shit if you trust or like VNL coin honestly.hahahahaha.


So you're asking someone who doest give a shit what you think to run everywhere asking you what you think.hahahahahahaha

[traumschiff]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities. 

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

If he absolutely doesn't want to post here, why don't you ask him to write up a response and post it here on his behalf? You realize that all these people criticizing aren't just some random newbies but people who are all very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency in general and have been involved in it for many years now, right?

This needs a debate, otherwise we will be bouncing around on this forever. And the only ones who can debate are the ones who 'think' they know the problems with zero time...

This is almost the perfect forum for a debate though. IRC not so much imo. Is there any particular reason he won't post here? I'd really like to her his responses personally.

You really think that for a debate a forum is just as well suited where you have to push reply to write up a comment and push post afterwards while refreshing the page waiting for an answer compared to a live chat client?

 

[TPTB_need_war]

accusers ignorance was highlighted

He is fooling you too. I rather fancy letting him continue to do that to you. Because you called me a troll. And because I have absolutely nothing to gain from expending my time on this. I do hope you call me chickenshit and put your entire networth in VNL.

I will have one parting shot though...in the next post...

[nextgencoin]

accusers ignorance was highlighted

He is fooling you too. I rather fancy letting him continue to do that to you. Because you called me a troll. And because I have absolutely nothing to gain from expending my time on this. I do hope you call me chickenshit and put your entire networth in VNL.

I will have one parting shot though...in the next post...

So you spent a ton of time making these points on here over the last week but you can't click on IRC and ask your question, I'm not calling you chicken shit.....I'm calling you a liar.

[TPTB_need_war]

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

I'd like to hear your idea in advance of your paper if you're willing to discuss it?

Well if you can offer peer review maybe that can be arranged. I will get back with  you when I am prepared.

Btw, I tried to sleep and suddenly I solved the last remaining snag in my consensus design. I suddenly realized I indeed solved it. And yes mine will be fully proved in a white paper.

Just a few days ago, I solved the holy grail of anonymity:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049048.msg12127776#msg12127776

It is all over for Bitcoin. Seriously. I will go silent. Next you hear from me will be via white papers.

Good luck.

[Este Nuno]

I too have looked at the the paper in more detail as it seems to be a hot topic and I concur TPTB's statements.

It's wide open to various gaming and DoS attack vectors as stated by him.  Mainly due to there being no cost penalty at all for an attacker to perform these malicious activities. 

Some kind of burn would be the simplest fix as suggested in this thread, with compensation of some kind for the nodes whose votes are accepted.

I would also say the same to you, you're a known person on this forum and have had your own project with focused discussion of your IRC so I ask of you really want to ask these questions to someone who can give a real answer.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin

If you're reasonable I think he is willing to answer questions you have, it would be great for all of us, investors, Fudders, hyper to get to the bottom of this, cause a lot of accusations are being pointed at zero time and it's a massively important issue. Please take the time as many did with your project to ask questions on IRC. I think it's the fair thing to do. Attacks here at this point are more like slander than genuine efforts to ask the actual person you need to. you suffered the same in your project I should expect you understand how destructive that is.

If he absolutely doesn't want to post here, why don't you ask him to write up a response and post it here on his behalf? You realize that all these people criticizing aren't just some random newbies but people who are all very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency in general and have been involved in it for many years now, right?

This needs a debate, otherwise we will be bouncing around on this forever. And the only ones who can debate are the ones who 'think' they know the problems with zero time...

This is almost the perfect forum for a debate though. IRC not so much imo. Is there any particular reason he won't post here? I'd really like to her his responses personally.

You really think that for a debate a forum is just as well suited where you have to push reply to write up a comment and push post afterwards while refreshing the page waiting for an answer compared to a live chat client?

 

I do yeah. Mainly because you can write out long responses that address each point individually by quoting them. Also you have more time to consider your responses and it's not as emotional as an IRC chat can sometimes be. IRC is alright, but I prefer the long form style on a forum.

[nextgencoin]

Btw, I think I have a solution of how to achieve zerotime. But I do it an entirely different way and my solution doesn't require all peers to see all transactions, so even if John fixes his, I've still got him beat (assuming my white paper comes together which is not finished yet).

I'd like to hear your idea in advance of your paper if you're willing to discuss it?

Well if you can offer peer review maybe that can be arranged. I will get back with  you when I am prepared.

Btw, I tried to sleep and suddenly I solved the last remaining snag in my consensus design. I suddenly realized I indeed solved it. And yes mine will be fully proved in a white paper.

Just a few days ago, I solved the holy grail of anonymity:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049048.msg12127776#msg12127776

It is all over for Bitcoin. Seriously. I will go silent. Next you hear from me will be via white papers.

Good luck.

Be warned a LOT of people are going to want to FUD anything you do into oblivion....not me, but you made so many enemies I wouldn't expect a smooth ride now.

[TPTB_need_war]

Be warned a LOT of people are going to want to FUD anything you do into oblivion....not me, but you made so many enemies I wouldn't expect a smooth ride now.

Let them FUD Satoshi's white paper. That is how difficult it will be to FUD math proofs with clear and complete explanations covering every possible attack.

[nextgencoin]

Be warned a LOT of people are going to want to FUD anything you do into oblivion....not me, but you made so many enemies I wouldn't expect a smooth ride now.

Let them FUD Satoshi's white paper. That is how difficult it will be to FUD math proofs and clear and complete explanations covering every possible attack.

I looked through you extensive posting on here. you might be legit and have a coin that has value but I also honestly wonder if you are unhinged, your posts are kind of hysterical, emotional and sometimes troubling....I question your mental stability.