Fullbuster owes me 2 BTC

[subwoofer12]

Do not trade with Fullbuster under any circumstances!


We agreed to exchange my 2 BTC for $601 from his PayPal

I have 601 dollars in my pp, i will have all 2 bits, and give you 601 dollars for your kindness and extra

I sent 2 BTC to 1MLBo2r98M7TyspeFMuLKeugkerPqGbHii
He has not paid.

After waiting for 3 confirms, I messaged him this was his response:

I received it, I try to send the money but I called paypal now and they told me that i cant send money from my balance to foreign countries, i am in Slovenia, Tomorrow i will go to bank and get a credit card, meanwhile i will use my friend's credit card to send you your funds it will take 2 hours max, i hope you can excuse me

With his trust level at +23 and him being a member here for over a year, I thought I would be safe. I regret not using escrow.

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[subwoofer12]

What I know about him so far is that he lives in Slovenia and can speak Turkish. If I can't discover his identity on my own, I'll be putting the bounty up.

I will remove all these posts if he pays up.

[Tomatocage]

Did you ask him to return the BTC?

[xetsr]

Good luck man, hope you get your BTC back or paypal funds. You need to be a little more careful next time or this will continue to happen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=314780 - Looking at his trust, can't figure out why you trusted him? No big deals, no previous larger paypal deals. He could have easily reversed the payment anyway.

EDIT: Just noticed "This user changed his/her password recently." - Hack claim coming?

[subwoofer12]

Did you ask him to return the BTC?

Yes, I asked him pay me ASAP or return them if he was unable to.

The funds eventually ended up here
Does anyone know who this address belongs to?

Code:

1BQ9WZC9TiJhC4pgHwrrfQbFHZfhEYzFa6

It's had more than 1 million dollars go into it

[subwoofer12]

EDIT: Just noticed "This user changed his/her password recently." - Hack claim coming?

I sure hope not... 

[xetsr]

EDIT: Just noticed "This user changed his/her password recently." - Hack claim coming?

I sure hope not...  

Ask for a signed message next time to avoid the "oh, my account was hacked" excuse. You should always ask before sending first, even when dealing with me

This is not looking good though. I doubt we will see him again under that account 

[sapta]

Sorry to hear this. But the address itself seems like a mixer/exchanger address. Hope you get your BTC back, subwoofer12.

[subwoofer12]

Sorry to hear this. But the address itself seems like a mixer/exchanger address. Hope you get your BTC back, subwoofer12.

I'm wondering why he would just throw away a year-old account with high trust and 258 posts just for a measly 2 BTC

I guess nothing should surprise you on the internet

[xetsr]

Sorry to hear this. But the address itself seems like a mixer/exchanger address. Hope you get your BTC back, subwoofer12.

I'm wondering why he would just throw away a year-old account with high trust and 258 posts just for a measly 2 BTC

I guess nothing should surprise you on the internet

He can always buy a hero for less then 1 BTC. Unfortunately, that's just how it works around here.

The trust he had was mostly from members not on the default trust list and could easily be bought by making small deals. Quickseller could probably give you a better price range, but I would say it would cost around 0.25 - 0.5 max for that account and trust level.

[Quickseller]

Sorry to hear this. But the address itself seems like a mixer/exchanger address. Hope you get your BTC back, subwoofer12.

I'm wondering why he would just throw away a year-old account with high trust and 258 posts just for a measly 2 BTC

I guess nothing should surprise you on the internet

He can always buy a hero for less then 1 BTC. Unfortunately, that's just how it works around here.

The trust he had was mostly from members not on the default trust list and could easily be bought by making small deals. Quickseller could probably give you a better price range, but I would say it would cost around 0.25 - 0.5 max for that account and trust level.

The account only had 2 positive trust reports and had a rating of 19: -0 / +2 (if my calculations are correct), so I would be surprised if the account would sell for more then .2 or so, although it might sell for a little more if the seller is reputable. Neutral trust full members seem to be going for somewhere in the .05 to .1 range.

Unfortunately, sold/hacked account or not, it was not advisable to send that much BTC to him first as he really did not have a solid trading history and his trades appeared to be small. You generally will not want to trust someone with large amounts greater then what they have been trusted with in the past at one time. It would have been a much better idea to have used escrow (a middle man) to hold onto the bitcoin until fullbuster send you the PayPal funds, this way if he were to renege on his end of the agreement (as he did in this case), then your money will still be protected.

Hopefully this is not a large amount of money for you, and hopefully this will serve as a lesson as to how to better protect your money from scammers.

[subwoofer12]

it was not advisable to send that much BTC to him first as he really did not have a solid trading history and his trades appeared to be small.

Stupidity on my part. I just quickly looked and saw Trust 23 and thought "Okay great!"
I still don't understand how trust is calculated, I'm sure there's a post somewhere that explains it.
For example: I've sold 8.69 BTC to TheKoziTwo, he has a Legendary account yet for me his trust appears lower than Fullbuster (before the negative ratings, that is)

[Quickseller]

it was not advisable to send that much BTC to him first as he really did not have a solid trading history and his trades appeared to be small.

Stupidity on my part. I just quickly looked and saw Trust 23 and thought "Okay great!"
I still don't understand how trust is calculated, I'm sure there's a post somewhere that explains it.
For example: I've sold 8.69 BTC to TheKoziTwo, he has a Legendary account yet for me his trust appears lower than Fullbuster (before the negative ratings, that is)

The trust system is flawed in that every rating is valued the same way, regardless of how much (if anything) was risked with that person. It would probably be advisable to look at the comments, and the amounts risked of the person you are trading with to get a feeling as to how trustworthy they are. You should also take any "untrusted" trust ratings (e.g.  those that do not show up by default) with a grain of salt, as scammers will often send trust ratings with their alts in order to make it appear as if they have more trading activity then they really do. You also want to make sure that you are only adding people to your trust list who you trust enough to give accurate ratings and to maintain a good trust list with people with accurate ratings, because if a scammer gets into your trust network then the trust scores that you see will be manipulated and inaccurate.

A person's trust score is based on who is in your trust network, as these people will only have an effect on other's ratings (how you see them). Each positive trust report from someone in your trust network will cause the number on the very right to increase by one, with a limit of one trust report being counted per person (so if I were to give you three positive trust reports, it would only count one time). A user's trust score (the number on the very left) will increase by one point for every month since a trust report was given (only counting the oldest report from each member in your trust network), up to a maximum of 10 point per report (so if I gave you a positive trust report 13 months ago, it would only count for 10 points).

[qory]

What I know about him so far is that he lives in Slovenia and can speak Turkish. If I can't discover his identity on my own, I'll be putting the bounty up.

I will remove all these posts if he pays up.

I doubt fullbuster lives in Slovenia as he said. I think he lives in Antalya Turkey.

[subwoofer12]

What I know about him so far is that he lives in Slovenia and can speak Turkish. If I can't discover his identity on my own, I'll be putting the bounty up.

I will remove all these posts if he pays up.

I doubt fullbuster lives in Slovenia as he said. I think he lives in Antalya Turkey.

Yeah, I'm also positive he's Turkish. I've decided against putting a bounty up because I have a feeling this account was sold to someone else. Finding the original account holder wouldn't help me recover my stolen coins in any way  

[qory]

I don't think  it's sold account, he used this address 1P8h8hbj5XWbihiWRBFaVCgpz3VTVeYALM to receive payment from cyclops a year ago, and the fund end up to the same address you posted above.

[monbux]

That user also requested a loan from me a couple days ago, wanting to use his account as collateral.  I'm not sure why the op would send 2 bitcoins to him first.. :-/

If the account was not sold/hacked, then the user was most likely trying to see how many bitcoins he could run away with.

[zazarb]

maybe even not so bad, and you receive your btc, but This is a painful lesson- Sometimes it is helpful to sell cheaper, but to  person with more enough of trust.

[Mr.burns]

What I know about him so far is that he lives in Slovenia and can speak Turkish. If I can't discover his identity on my own, I'll be putting the bounty up.

I will remove all these posts if he pays up.

I doubt fullbuster lives in Slovenia as he said. I think he lives in Antalya Turkey.

Yeah, I'm also positive he's Turkish. I've decided against putting a bounty up because I have a feeling this account was sold to someone else. Finding the original account holder wouldn't help me recover my stolen coins in any way  

LOL? How the tell will it help to recover your bitcoins if you find the "original" account owner?

He can just tell you f*ck off and then? will you call the fbi? sorry but just be more safe the next time..

[subwoofer12]

I don't think  it's sold account, he used this address 1P8h8hbj5XWbihiWRBFaVCgpz3VTVeYALM to receive payment from cyclops a year ago, and the fund end up to the same address you posted above.

Thanks for pointing that out. I agree with you, I now believe it's the same person.

(Here and here both go to 18RJtEEHTSbhkD7riBsvJgPx5nXcjvG3rK)

LOL? How the tell will it help to recover your bitcoins if you find the "original" account owner?

He can just tell you f*ck off and then? will you call the fbi? sorry but just be more safe the next time..

If I ever find out his identity, I was going to file a IC3 complaint. I'm not really sure how to go about this, I've never been scammed before.