The 2.0 throwdown thread

[jabo38]

Well - if you are referring to a "programming language" you should understand that AT is a "virtual CPU". So it is not a high-level language but is a "machine code" (and it should be noted that Ethereum is also not a high-level language but is a VM which is an approach that I think was far less elegant).

So - if you accept that things like RISC chips are "Turing complete" then it should be obvious that AT is (I even gave you the link to a "single instruction virtual CPU" that is "Turing complete" to show just how simple it is to achieve this).

If you don't accept that CPUs (and thus "virtual CPUs") are "Turing complete" then clearly we have nothing further to discuss.

OK, you convinced me - I'll leave Automated Transactions and Turing complete lumped together for now. What is the method to prevent an infinite loop being run in Burst or Qora's Turing complete scripting/instruction set? Just the transaction fee on each "instruction"? Is there a fee market on Burst and Qora a la Ethereum, or a hard-coded fee for each instruction/script/transaction?

Yes, thanks for coming by CIYAM and clearing that up.  I was asking about this earlier in the thread and was also a bit confused myself. 

[jwinterm]

Sorry if this has already been asked but what would stop any plattform from having "centralized app utilizing blockchains" ?
Shouldn't this just be green for all of them ?
Or is this to merely point out the existence of such services ? Even if so...they all have block explorers, faucets or whatever

I kind of thought the same.  Anybody that has a faucet has a faucet or tip bot or block explorer basically has a centralized service. 

I was kind of trying to reserve it for applications that are a bit more unique than explorers or tipbots and such, like the MMO or maybe a prediction market or big gambling site or something...

[Skerberus]

I forgot to mention that qora has a built in decentralized block explorer too...agran made this available also to people that have no wallet you can see it here http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blockexplorer.html

[jabo38]

Sorry if this has already been asked but what would stop any plattform from having "centralized app utilizing blockchains" ?
Shouldn't this just be green for all of them ?
Or is this to merely point out the existence of such services ? Even if so...they all have block explorers, faucets or whatever

I kind of thought the same.  Anybody that has a faucet has a faucet or tip bot or block explorer basically has a centralized service. 

I was kind of trying to reserve it for applications that are a bit more unique than explorers or tipbots and such, like the MMO or maybe a prediction market or big gambling site or something...

So would the distinction maybe be a for profit centralized service with a real business model, not just something that is kind of supported by the community?

[Arkh]

Hi,

I didn't see any mentions to supernet for NXT, I think it's the bigger project going on over there so I thought I'll notify you.

You'll find more details here : http://www.supernet.org/index.php as it's a pretty big project.

Also ATOMIC transaction are planned to be implemented in supernet core : https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/atomic-11694807213441909013-in-supernet-core-single-blockchain-for-all

Thanks for this very informative table

[Passion_ltc]

jwinterm, just sent you a PM with all details about Crypti.


Please differentiate between Dapp and Plugins. Dapps have their own consensus, blockchain (side or main), presentation layer, contract layer.. While plugins only utilize different APIs and are always just stored on your local PC, instead of many different nodes.

[rockethead]

NEM

Average  block time 60s
Recommended confirmation time - 6 blocks
Market peg - Pending completion of Asset Creation
Multisig - Both in wallet and off wallet
Centralised Apps using Blockchain - Pending Asset Creation

Unique features:
Multisignatory can be created as a small footprint thumbdrive signatory with fastboot, real time - off wallet
Do not need a node to run a wallet. Wallet is fastboot and need not sync.
Special purpose small footprint "sub-functions" of wallet can be built without the need to have a node server.
Tiered architecture solution.
Centralised apps can be easily built, i.e., based on block chain technology - open system - e.g., a voting system.
It is a platform solution.

Wait a moment, what does it have that burst/nxt/eth don't have?

Different architecture. We don't run brain wallet for a start.

[I am the guy]

NXT did it first but NEM is doing it right. 

[tyz]

I think this is more a religious question. Both do it in a different way and this is good for development of crypto currency tech 

NXT did it first but NEM is doing it right. 

[delulo]

With Bitshares there is Bitshares as it is atm (which you describe well in your table) and Bitshares 2.0 which should come out in a few month. The information below regards Bitshares 2.0. Note that 2.0 is already written and tested atm.

Bitshares, multisig: https://bitshares.org/technology/dynamic-account-permissions/
(kind of advanced multisig)

Bitshares, privacy: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=17687.30

Centralized apps utilizing blockchain: DACX.com, datasecuritynode.com.

Block time will be 1 sec and allows 100k tx/sec, https://bitshares.org/technology/industrial-performance-and-scalability/

Avrg and target block time is always equal in DPOS (1.0 and 2.0).

Development team, among others: https://angel.co/cryptonomex

Question: Any links to Qora/Bursts' turing complete scripting capabilities?

[Vrontis]

Question: Any links to Qora/Bursts' turing complete scripting capabilities?

http://ciyam.org/at/

[delulo]

Question: Any links to Qora/Bursts' turing complete scripting capabilities?

http://ciyam.org/at/

Thanks for the link!
I am not really informed on ciyam.
Could you explain how it it different to the Ethreum virtual machine and Codius? (I have a rough idea what the difference between the last two are)

[Passion_ltc]

jwinterm, would be great if you can update the table with the info I sent you recently. Thanks!

Btw, if you want I can send you some XCR so you can test out our system.

[jwinterm]

jwinterm, would be great if you can update the table with the info I sent you recently. Thanks!

Btw, if you want I can send you some XCR so you can test out our system.

Done. I updated a bunch of (need links) to actual links, especially for Bitshares and Crypti. Also added a bunch of apps for NXT and a few for Bitshares. Please let me know if I screwed anything up or threw your favorite coin under the bus 

[Sebastien256]

Hi jwinterm,

Nice table so far.  
I like it.

Here are some more things on Nxt.

You can add in centralized apps:
http://melodius.me/
It an itunes type website that used the Nxt decentralized marketplace.

Nxt has also a built-in wallet decentralized Monetary system:
http://nxt.org/about/monetary-system/

The last one is, afaik, an unique feature of Nxt.

Thank you.

[MemoryShock]

Where's Maid?

I think it deserves to be in this conversation...

[jwinterm]

Where's Maid?

I think it deserves to be in this conversation...

It's not released, afaik. I am leaning towards removing both Syscoin (most advanced features not released) and Crypti (closed-source), as well. I'm skeptical MAID will ever see the light of day, honestly. Hasn't it been under development since like 2006?

[jwinterm]

Hi jwinterm,

Nice table so far.  
I like it.

Here are some more things on Nxt.

You can add in centralized apps:
http://melodius.me/
It an itunes type website that used the Nxt decentralized marketplace.

Nxt has also a built-in wallet decentralized Monetary system:
http://nxt.org/about/monetary-system/

The last one is, afaik, an unique feature of Nxt.

Thank you.

Will try to update and add melodius soon, Sebastien256. What's the difference between NXT monetary system and assets in other platforms? Not sure I see distinction...

[cryptonit]

great job keep up the good work

[box0214]

Hi jwinterm,

Nice table so far.  
I like it.

Here are some more things on Nxt.

You can add in centralized apps:
http://melodius.me/
It an itunes type website that used the Nxt decentralized marketplace.

Nxt has also a built-in wallet decentralized Monetary system:
http://nxt.org/about/monetary-system/

The last one is, afaik, an unique feature of Nxt.

Thank you.

Will try to update and add melodius soon, Sebastien256. What's the difference between NXT monetary system and assets in other platforms? Not sure I see distinction...

if you dive deeper into MS, there are certain things you cannot do vs assets. some just off the top of my head are:

Monetary System:
- Create Minable coins based off of (sha256/scrypt/keccka) as a way for distribution. (think sidechains)
- Crowdfunding
- Prevent the ability to exchange a coin with others except the owner

-- One scenario that can be played out is that one of the MScoins could potentially be worth more than nxt coins. Which will therefore solve the "initial distribution" people keep complaining about. If one of the mscoins were to be a main coin, and leave nxt coin as a "transaction" toll fee payment only. it can leave out  all the speculators that doesn't provide any improvement into the system and a potentially evolve the community into using this new coin instead of nxt. just an idea for now.



You can use my account to test out nxt features on testnet.
go here: http://goo.gl/sS96ue -- use the pass 321 -- if its empty i'll refill it.

Also this version i'm developing on is mobile responsive ready. so you can use it on your phone. i dont believe any other Core wallet is accessible using a smartphone with this many features. its still being worked on so its not 100% functional on every tab yet.